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[SkyShatterz]

and game that made by bioware is worth than any other games.



i dont understand why they try to play the game with no cost

[Itkovian]

SkyShatterz wrote...

while playing the game, the game get session constantly from authentication server.
if it has invalid serial key, then terminate the game.

but it needs alot of authentication server and it cause terrible traffic.
(also cause game crash)

maybe they cannot this...

Ubisoft tried this. Not only did it not work, but it created a huge outcry.

Itkovian

[Helena Tylena]

Suprez30 wrote...

Pirates aren't monster living deep under the sea.So when i see those pirates hater thread it's tickle me.What's a monster?

Well a corporation that fines a single woman 8 millions of dollars because she downloaded 24 song from Kazaa or a student with a tight budget downloading a movie online?Corporation want to make pirates look like evil creature of apocalypse.

I'm pissed also when i purchase a game and the next day it's 75% less expensive.I feel like i've been robbed and exploited.But of course everyone will blame me for not waiting or lacking information.It's easy to turn the tide of thing.The rich always do this to the poor.Why do you think they're so rich?

It's funny because most of the time , pirates are the ppl that purchase the most . Let's say pirates number 3 purchased 10 retail game in the last 3 month and you 2 . The pirates download a game he don't want to buy and you blame him for not contribuating.It's so funny.

It's still theft. And not the 'I don't have money and need to feed my children, so I'll steal a bread' kind of theft. Games (and movies and music) are a luxury good. You don't need them to survive. They are also a very expensive luxury good to make. Creating a game can take up to half a decade (or longer), involving a large team of skilled craftsmen who often work extra hours to reach a deadline and who pour their heart and soul into the final product. Selling (you know, as in exchanging for moneyz?) is the only way these people can justify putting all the time and effort they did into bringing you a quality game, and if they can't justify making games, they will eventually stop making games. Or movies. Or music. I don't see that being good for anyone.
There is no way to justify stealing a luxury product, other than greed or addiction. If the former you're en a*se, if the latter you have a problem. A student with a tight budget downloading a movie online doesn't have to watch that movie, unless it's for an assignment, in which case he has the right to demand whatever academic institution giving the assignment for compensation. Remember, that movie probably cost millions to make. Not just the actors and the director, but the countless people that make up the crew need people to pay for that movie as well. It's their source of income. You don't expect a plumber to work for free? Or a baker? Then why a movie-maker? Or a musician? Or a game-developer? A painter, writer, poet? Art gives flavour to life. It's not necessary, but it is most welcome. And it is well worth a compensation.
One guy downloading one movie probably isn't so big of a deal, but if he can do it, why wouldn't his buddies? Or their buddies? Or five-million people across the world? Where do you draw the line? I say we draw it at zero.

[Dave of Canada]

Suprez30 wrote...

It's funny because most of the time , pirates are the ppl that purchase the most . Let's say pirates number 3 purchased 10 retail game in the last 3 month and you 2 . The pirates download a game he don't want to buy and you blame him for not contribuating.It's so funny.

Reason it how you like, in the end they are nothing but a thief. It's not "funny", you're stealing people's work and time because you don't want to fork over money to their product and support the company that did the game you enjoy.

[slimgrin]

Wow. A thread about piracy thriving on BSN.

They can't beat piracy, they can only discourage it. The $10 project is an attempt. And well, all I can say about it is that...it's an attempt.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 novembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[bluecapsule6]

As long as it's not like Ubisoft's garbage system, I'll be fine with it, though Steam is definitely my preferred form of playing pc games.

[Aggie Punbot]

SkyShatterz wrote...

i suggest to bioware makes some authentication when play the game, (like starcraft2)

who play the game without the internet these days?

Me. I buy a single player game, I expect to be able to play it on my own without needing to submit my personal information to an unscrupulous company like EA Games. Since I have no way of knowing what information they're taking from my computer when I maintain a connection, I prefer to play offline.

[Slayer299]

SkyShatterz wrote...

i suggest to bioware makes some authentication when play the game, (like starcraft2)

who play the game without the internet these days?

Actually a lot of people and that doesn't include if you're using a laptop and away from any WiFi hot spots or even US military bases overseas. I only just got Cable after having to use a modem (yes, an actual USR 5686E 56 Kbps) until just a few months ago.

[addiction21]

Suprez30 wrote...

Pirates aren't monster living deep under the sea.So when i see those pirates hater thread it's tickle me.What's a monster?

No they are not monsters but they are also rolling the dice and know what could happen. Unless your going to argue that they are ignorant of their theft.

Suprez30 wrote...

Well a corporation that fines a single woman 8 millions of dollars because she downloaded 24 song from Kazaa or a student with a tight budget downloading a movie online?Corporation want to make pirates look like evil creature of apocalypse.

Corporations dont hand out the fines and those fines are not pulled out from the ether.  She downloaded 24 songs but it is a file sharing system so by sharing them you are also responsible for each "share" you have taken part in. 24 songs could be shared thousands of times and each one of those carries a fine.

Also all you hear about on the news and internet is "OMG 8 Million dollars!!!!" what you have to look around to find is how that number gets drastically reduced.

It does get ridiculous at times and the punishment should fit the crime but they get no sympathy from me. Everyone has to deal with their actions at some point.

As for what BioWare can do to protect DA2? Nothing at all. They can try all they want but it will get out, it will get cracked into, and it will be pirated.

[Slayer299]

Itkovian wrote...

That said, I think using something like the Cerberus Network might also be useful. It probably won't cut down on piracy, but it will at least help them against used games sales.
Itkovian

Can you explain that please? How are used game sales wrong somehow? I used to buy used games all the time because they're cheaper (paying $30 is a lot better than $60). 

[Maverick827]

TS2Aggie wrote...

SkyShatterz wrote...

i suggest to bioware makes some authentication when play the game, (like starcraft2)

who play the game without the internet these days?

Me. I buy a single player game, I expect to be able to play it on my own without needing to submit my personal information to an unscrupulous company like EA Games. Since I have no way of knowing what information they're taking from my computer when I maintain a connection, I prefer to play offline.

So you always take your PC offline when you play Dragon Age?  You post on these forums on a different computer too, right?  You signed up for your BioWare account with a dummy email address?  You paid for your copy of Dragon Age in cash, right?

[Helena Tylena]

Slayer299 wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

That said, I think using something like the Cerberus Network might also be useful. It probably won't cut down on piracy, but it will at least help them against used games sales.
Itkovian

Can you explain that please? How are used game sales wrong somehow? I used to buy used games all the time because they're cheaper (paying $30 is a lot better than $60). 

When you buy a used game, the developers see exactly 0 cents of whatever currency you bought it in.

Look at it this way: person one buys a game at retail for 60$. The developer gets (random number. Don't shoot me if it's inaccurate) 20$ for selling the game to the retailer.
A few months later, person one has finished the game and sells it back to the retailer, who then sells it through to person two, who pays 30$. The retailer puts all of that money in their back-pocket and the developer gets 0$ from this exchanche, leaving them with 40$ where they should have 20$.
Now, multiply 20$ times the amount of times a used game is sold, and you get a rough estimate of how much money the developer should have had -and could have used on their next game- but didn't.

A used copy is essentially a pirated copy in that it gives the people who made the game nothing. Buying games used is technically the same as downloading it illegally, except the user has to pay for it.

[Ziggeh]

Helena Tylena wrote...

A used copy is essentially a pirated copy in that it gives the people who made the game nothing. Buying games used is technically the same as downloading it illegally, except the user has to pay for it.

Will nobody think about the poor hard working Gamestop shareholders?

[Helena Tylena]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Helena Tylena wrote...

A used copy is essentially a pirated copy in that it gives the people who made the game nothing. Buying games used is technically the same as downloading it illegally, except the user has to pay for it.

Will nobody think about the poor hard working Gamestop shareholders?

You mean the ones that eat newborn babies for dinner?
I'm sure they'll be fine.

[ydaraishy]

Should I be not free to sell a copy of a book after I'm finished with it? Or should I be not free to make a business out of selling used books?

[lv12medic]

Helena Tylena wrote...

A used copy is essentially a pirated copy in that it gives the people who made the game nothing. Buying games used is technically the same as downloading it illegally, except the user has to pay for it.

They keep the authorities away though by bribing them by still charging sales tax (where applicable). 

Which is odd if you look at how sales tax laws are worded.


Used games are great for finding games out of production/hard to find and great for the used game sellers and good for the consumer due to lower price tags.  Publisher's and developers see no pennies from them unfortunately. 

And say no to Piracy!  Only you can prevent intellectual property theft!  Help Ser Barks-a-lot take a bite out of crime!
 

[Ziggeh]

Helena Tylena wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Helena Tylena wrote...

A used copy is essentially a pirated copy in that it gives the people who made the game nothing. Buying games used is technically the same as downloading it illegally, except the user has to pay for it.

Will nobody think about the poor hard working Gamestop shareholders?

You mean the ones that eat newborn babies for dinner?
I'm sure they'll be fine.

Yacht's aren't as cheap as they used to be.

[slimgrin]

bluecapsule6 wrote...

As long as it's not like Ubisoft's garbage system, I'll be fine with it, though Steam is definitely my preferred form of playing pc games.

Ubisoft's system is below garbage. More like post nuclear waste

[kr33g0r]

No DRM. Let's face it, every form of DRM has been cracked and will be cracked so save some money and don't implement any and stop punishing legit buyers with retarded activation limits etc.

[crimzontearz]

philbo1965uk wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

The best way to protect it is to sell it at lower prices.

Back when I was young and games costed the equivalent of 12 €, piracy was not a problem.

Partially true

To make games cost less we should make the available for digital download only

Carefull..since when has a DD off Steam cost less than a retail game.

Not very often !

I prefer to buy something physical...it's the disks and box for me

ah but of course because those DD you puirchase are STILL available in physical form!

think about it...if a game is ONLY a DD then the publishers do NOT have to pay for ditribution, they do not have to pay for storage, they do not have to pay the retailers and all thier employees, they do not even have to deal with some taxes depending on where the servers are!

which results obviously in a price drop

[Helena Tylena]

ydaraishy wrote...

Should I be not free to sell a copy of a book after I'm finished with it? Or should I be not free to make a business out of selling used books?

If you send a percentage on to the publishers or authors of the books you sold, I see no problem.

lv12medic wrote...

Used games are great for finding games
out of production/hard to find and great for the used game sellers and
good for the consumer due to lower price tags.  Publisher's and
developers see no pennies from them unfortunately. 

Not being able to buy the game new anywhere is, in my opinion, the only justifiable reason to pirate a game.

[ydaraishy]

Helena Tylena wrote...

ydaraishy wrote...

Should I be not free to sell a copy of a book after I'm finished with it? Or should I be not free to make a business out of selling used books?

If you send a percentage on to the publishers or authors of the books you sold, I see no problem.

Why should I be obliged to do this? If someone sells you a used car, do you go and pay Toyota or whomever money to them as well? You aren't forced to with used cars, you aren't forced to with used books, you shouldn't be forced to with use games (first sale doctrine)

I usually buy all the games I'm interested in new, but it's important to make distinctions such as these.

[Challseus]

It's sick when people try to make themselves believe pirating is okay. It's not, and those people should pay the price. As for that woman who is being sued (I thought it was 2 million, not 8 million), she deserves that as well. The whole "Well, that money could go to feeding/clothing my kids" is BS. I don't have time for a pity party. She didn't need that music, she wanted it. You reap what you sow.

As for what Bioware needs to do, I have no idea, not working there and all. I guess the question is, how much did pirating affect DAO (not sure how you even measure that anyway). If not much, I assume they'll go with the same implementation of just making you have the disk in your PC.

[ydaraishy]

It's also sick when the record labels think that squeezing that woman and others out for millions is a justifiable compensation for the handful of songs she downloaded, which can be bought in total for at least under $100 legitimately.

[crimzontearz]

ydaraishy wrote...

It's also sick when the record labels think that squeezing that woman and others out for millions is a justifiable compensation for the handful of songs she downloaded, which can be bought in total for at least under $100 legitimately.

it is not the severity of the punishment.....it's the certainty


sorry....I had to