Nerivant wrote...
KLUME777 wrote...
If your a true gamer, then you own at least 1 console, so just buy it on the console. I said not PC-orientated game, so it's likely better on console anyway.
I.
What.
You.
How.
WARGARBLE.
Nerivant wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
TS2Aggie wrote...
Nothing will be a deterrent for piracy. Nothing. The sooner you realize this the happier you'll be.
You're right. After all, nothing stops murder and burglary either.
This is what I was trying to get across earlier in the thread. If you fight it, it fights back. You can't beat it.
KLUME777 wrote...
No, because the PC gamers and pirates would be forced to buy the console version, so they would still get sales, more even.
(I said if the game was not PC orientated. DAO definitely goes on PC).
Also, if the PC community was not being faithful by buying the game, then stuff them. You cant release a game on a platform when pirates make up more than sales for that platform, just for the fans, not if its not a PC orientated game. Its bad busssiness.
If your a true gamer, then you own at least 1 console, so just buy it on the console. I said not PC-orientated game, so it's likely better on console anyway.
Nerivant wrote...
KLUME777 wrote...
If your a true gamer, then you own at least 1 console, so just buy it on the console. I said not PC-orientated game, so it's likely better on console anyway.
I.
What.
You.
How.
WARGARBLE.
addiction21 wrote...
Does it still count if that one console is a Wii?
kraidy1117 wrote...
Steam is probnaly the worse thing to ever happen. Why must I be connected online to play a game I paid money for?
KLUME777 wrote...
Nerivant wrote...
KLUME777 wrote...
If your a true gamer, then you own at least 1 console, so just buy it on the console. I said not PC-orientated game, so it's likely better on console anyway.
I.
What.
You.
How.
WARGARBLE.
Yes, true gamers own every console, and a powerful computer. For the exclusives. Its not hard to have at least 1 currrent generation console.
Modifié par Nerivant, 17 novembre 2010 - 06:06 .
Nerivant wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
TS2Aggie wrote...
Nothing will be a deterrent for piracy. Nothing. The sooner you realize this the happier you'll be.
You're right. After all, nothing stops murder and burglary either.
This is what I was trying to get across earlier in the thread. If you fight it, it fights back. You can't beat it.
AmstradHero wrote...
If I see one more person say that lowering the price of games is going to reduce piracy... I swear my head is going to explode or I'm going to have to travel across the globe and smack them in the face. I live in Australia. We pay $90/$100 for new games. COD Black Ops was preordering at $120. The Australian dollar was recently at parity with the USD, and we're still paying up to twice as much for games. Suck. It. Up.
Reducing the cost of games will not appreciably reduce piracy to the degree that it will increase overall developer/publisher revenue. Piracy is a problem, and it sucks, but no DRM is foolproof. People will get around it. I'd love to see piracy prevented in a non-intrusive fashion so that developers could be rewarded for their efforts, but I'm afraid I'm enough of a realist to say that I don't think it will happen any time soon.
AmstradHero wrote...
If I see one more person say that lowering the price of games is going to reduce piracy... I swear my head is going to explode or I'm going to have to travel across the globe and smack them in the face. I live in Australia. We pay $90/$100 for new games. COD Black Ops was preordering at $120. The Australian dollar was recently at parity with the USD, and we're still paying up to twice as much for games. Suck. It. Up.
Reducing the cost of games will not appreciably reduce piracy to the degree that it will increase overall developer/publisher revenue. Piracy is a problem, and it sucks, but no DRM is foolproof. People will get around it. I'd love to see piracy prevented in a non-intrusive fashion so that developers could be rewarded for their efforts, but I'm afraid I'm enough of a realist to say that I don't think it will happen any time soon.
kr33g0r wrote...
KLUME777 wrote...
No, because the PC gamers and pirates would be forced to buy the console version, so they would still get sales, more even.
(I said if the game was not PC orientated. DAO definitely goes on PC).
Also, if the PC community was not being faithful by buying the game, then stuff them. You cant release a game on a platform when pirates make up more than sales for that platform, just for the fans, not if its not a PC orientated game. Its bad busssiness.
If your a true gamer, then you own at least 1 console, so just buy it on the console. I said not PC-orientated game, so it's likely better on console anyway.
No. I don't own a console. I don't want to own a console. I play all my games on PC because my gaming platform of choice is the PC! So if Bioware (or any other dev's) decide to stop making a game on my chosen platform than I don't buy it. Hence they miss out on my sale.
Nerivant wrote...
AmstradHero wrote...
If I see one more person say that lowering the price of games is going to reduce piracy... I swear my head is going to explode or I'm going to have to travel across the globe and smack them in the face. I live in Australia. We pay $90/$100 for new games. COD Black Ops was preordering at $120. The Australian dollar was recently at parity with the USD, and we're still paying up to twice as much for games. Suck. It. Up.
Reducing the cost of games will not appreciably reduce piracy to the degree that it will increase overall developer/publisher revenue. Piracy is a problem, and it sucks, but no DRM is foolproof. People will get around it. I'd love to see piracy prevented in a non-intrusive fashion so that developers could be rewarded for their efforts, but I'm afraid I'm enough of a realist to say that I don't think it will happen any time soon.
How are the piracy rates in Australia? I mean, really. I wouldn't be suprised if it was near or below the US.
Modifié par kr33g0r, 17 novembre 2010 - 06:28 .
KLUME777 wrote...
Because if half your PC audience pirated the game, your losing money! Its not profitable to release on PC! (for that particular game). Most people would buy it on console, therefore the company gets paid for its hard work.
I know that my dad, who had been a long time PC gamer, got so sick of crap like
-Upgrading his computer for every new game
-Anti-piracy stuff like DRM
just bought a PS3 a few months ago, because its easier.
Modifié par kr33g0r, 17 novembre 2010 - 06:22 .
Nerivant wrote...
AmstradHero wrote...
If I see one more person say that lowering the price of games is going to reduce piracy... I swear my head is going to explode or I'm going to have to travel across the globe and smack them in the face. I live in Australia. We pay $90/$100 for new games. COD Black Ops was preordering at $120. The Australian dollar was recently at parity with the USD, and we're still paying up to twice as much for games. Suck. It. Up.
Reducing the cost of games will not appreciably reduce piracy to the degree that it will increase overall developer/publisher revenue. Piracy is a problem, and it sucks, but no DRM is foolproof. People will get around it. I'd love to see piracy prevented in a non-intrusive fashion so that developers could be rewarded for their efforts, but I'm afraid I'm enough of a realist to say that I don't think it will happen any time soon.
How are the piracy rates in Australia? I mean, really. I wouldn't be suprised if it was near or below the US.
KLUME777 wrote...
Yes, true gamers own every console, and a powerful computer. For the exclusives. Its not hard to have at least 1 currrent generation console.
Who says?KLUME777 wrote...
It is a theft, because you are playing a copy of a game the company made, without paying them a cent. If there was no piracy, you would buy the game.
Modifié par SirOccam, 17 novembre 2010 - 06:26 .
Thread should have ended here.lv12medic wrote...
Bioware will just send Isabela to deal with all these so called pirates. There can be only one pirate after all.
kr33g0r wrote...
KLUME777 wrote...
Because if half your PC audience pirated the game, your losing money! Its not profitable to release on PC! (for that particular game). Most people would buy it on console, therefore the company gets paid for its hard work.
I know that my dad, who had been a long time PC gamer, got so sick of crap like
-Upgrading his computer for every new game
-Anti-piracy stuff like DRM
just bought a PS3 a few months ago, because its easier.
So how come CD Projekt (Sorry to bring them up again) sold around 1.5million copies of the Witcher on PC alone? PC can be profitable if you make a good game.
Do I need to mention Blizzard and WOW or starcraft II?
I bought it in cash. how trusting are you if you accept "renting" rather than owning a physical copy? they can take it back overnight and tell you to fall dead. When did "i may be offline at times and some people can go some periods without access" equal " i deny myself access to technology, pretend globalization is a myth and i send snail mail". You're full of ****e for that one. Missed by a legendary long shot.Maverick827 wrote...
So you always take your PC offline when you play Dragon Age? You post on these forums on a different computer too, right? You signed up for your BioWare account with a dummy email address? You paid for your copy of Dragon Age in cash, right?TS2Aggie wrote...
SkyShatterz wrote...
i suggest to bioware makes some authentication when play the game, (like starcraft2)
who play the game without the internet these days?
Me. I buy a single player game, I expect to be able to play it on my own without needing to submit my personal information to an unscrupulous company like EA Games. Since I have no way of knowing what information they're taking from my computer when I maintain a connection, I prefer to play offline.
It's 3/4th of what the BG series is said to have sold and i'm pretty sure it's above the average. Sure we have CoD, Halo, ME, DA, GTA. But we also have Alan Wake at 500k sold, Icewind Dale and Jazz Jackrabbit. All great games except the latter 3 falls below the 1.5 million yet the developers earned tons (cept IWD which didn't save Interplay). 1.5 is a lot of sales, don't kid yourselfKLUME777 wrote...
And 1.5 million isnt that good anyway.
Modifié par BomimoDK, 17 novembre 2010 - 06:34 .
SirOccam wrote...
Who says?KLUME777 wrote...
It is a theft, because you are playing a copy of a game the company made, without paying them a cent. If there was no piracy, you would buy the game.
Don't take this as defending pirates, but it's not a given that every instance of piracy is a sale lost. Back in the day when Napster first came out, I'll admit I downloaded some stuff, along with the rest of the students on campus. Back then no one sold tracks individually, and I wasn't about to shell out $20 for an album with maybe a couple good songs. So what would I have done without the ability to download them? Was a poor college kid like me suddenly going to have thousands of dollars to spend on music?
Again I'm not defending piracy or saying I was perfectly justified. But now that Amazon MP3 (and iTunes after it finally dropped its DRM, though Amazon is still my favorite) has come along, I buy all my music. Not only can I get single tracks, but their deals on whole albums are much better than they used to be, so in fact I end up buying way more than I ever did. And their free giveaways have prompted me to buy more albums than probably any other source. In fact I was introduced to my favorite band of all time (The Decemberists) by Amazon, because they were offering Engine Driver as a free download. And now I have all their albums (and anxiously awaiting their new one in January), two band shirts, and am going to buy a ticket to my 4th concert of theirs as soon as the presale opens up...all of this because of a track they gave away for free. Without that free track, there's a decent chance I'd never have heard of them.
All of this just goes to show you...if you make it easier for customers, we will buy. More restrictions just mean more people will either pirate or go without...and in both cases the artist makes no money. So this "if they didn't pirate, they would buy" idea is just nonsense.
KLUME777 wrote...
Those are PC games, did you read my post? They would suck on a console. I am talking about games that are suited to console and that suffer from severe pirating.
And 1.5 million isnt that good anyway.
KLUME777 wrote...
kr33g0r wrote...
KLUME777 wrote...
Because if half your PC audience pirated the game, your losing money! Its not profitable to release on PC! (for that particular game). Most people would buy it on console, therefore the company gets paid for its hard work.
I know that my dad, who had been a long time PC gamer, got so sick of crap like
-Upgrading his computer for every new game
-Anti-piracy stuff like DRM
just bought a PS3 a few months ago, because its easier.
So how come CD Projekt (Sorry to bring them up again) sold around 1.5million copies of the Witcher on PC alone? PC can be profitable if you make a good game.
Do I need to mention Blizzard and WOW or starcraft II?
Those are PC games, did you read my post? They would suck on a console. I am talking about games that are suited to console and that suffer from severe pirating.
And 1.5 million isnt that good anyway.
Saibh wrote...
KLUME777 wrote...
Those are PC games, did you read my post? They would suck on a console. I am talking about games that are suited to console and that suffer from severe pirating.
And 1.5 million isnt that good anyway.
It's
alright. It's better than most PC-exclusive games do. That aren't MMOs.
It certainly went above expectations. As for being spectacular, no.
Modifié par kr33g0r, 17 novembre 2010 - 06:38 .
BomimoDK wrote...
I bought it in cash. how trusting are you if you accept "renting" rather than owning a physical copy? they can take it back overnight and tell you to fall dead. When did "i may be offline at times and some people can go some periods without access" equal " i deny myself access to technology, pretend globalization is a myth and i send snail mail". You're full of ****e for that one. Missed by a legendary long shot.Maverick827 wrote...
So you always take your PC offline when you play Dragon Age? You post on these forums on a different computer too, right? You signed up for your BioWare account with a dummy email address? You paid for your copy of Dragon Age in cash, right?TS2Aggie wrote...
SkyShatterz wrote...
i suggest to bioware makes some authentication when play the game, (like starcraft2)
who play the game without the internet these days?
Me. I buy a single player game, I expect to be able to play it on my own without needing to submit my personal information to an unscrupulous company like EA Games. Since I have no way of knowing what information they're taking from my computer when I maintain a connection, I prefer to play offline.It's 3/4th of what the BG series is said to have sold and i'm pretty sure it's above the average. Sure we have CoD, Halo, ME, DA, GTA. But we also have Alan Wake at 500k sold, Icewind Dale and Jazz Jackrabbit. All great games except the latter 3 falls below the 1.5 million yet the developers earned tons (cept IWD which didn't save Interplay). 1.5 is a lot of sales, don't kid yourselfKLUME777 wrote...
And 1.5 million isnt that good anyway.
Yet there is evidence that it is so.AmstradHero wrote...
If I see one more person say that
lowering the price of games is going to reduce piracy... I swear my head
is going to explode or I'm going to have to travel across the globe and
smack them in the face.
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