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[Eleinehmm]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Dang. Lot of PC haters here. I like my PC gaming, and it would totally suck if games completely ignored me just because I'm not part of the main audience.

I million times... this ^

also Eleinehmm is a pirate...

You are insulting me sir - I support Bioware since the BG, and will support it as long as I have money

and when you dont have money?....

Stop playing - It's my problems after all, not the devs...

[Tiax Rules All]

I love to give Bioware my money.. they deserve it...



SO USE IT WELL BIOWARE!!!

*shakes fist manacingly*

[Eleinehmm]

KLUME777 wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

Also, i heard Crysis 1 was massively pirated, which hurt the game enough for the second to go to console. Just saying, something needs to be done about pirating, or more and more developers will start to slip away from the PC.

Think. 6-7 years ago, PC was at the top of gaming. Now, this is not the case, consoles have overtaken by a lot. I used to be PC, but now my main is PS3. In another 6-7 years, i predict it will be a lot worse. Pirating will be the death of PC games. Something needs to be done.

Pirating should be a crime that is enforced by the law and the government. It is stealing, after all.

It is not stealing - It is an illegal activity, which presumably (we can't be sure that those who pirated a game would have bought it  if they couldn't ) hurts the sales. I am not saying that piracy is good but  I like clear defenitions

Call it what you will, i still call it stealing because the dev loses money, and more to the point, it should be a crime to pirate games. I have no respect to anyone that pirates games.

I have no respect for those who pirate when they have a legal opportunity to buy it - And no - Not having money doesn't count as  "don't have a legal opportunity”)

You didn’t answer my question about non X-BOX friendly countries, btw.

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 17 novembre 2010 - 09:11 .

[KLUME777]

Eleinehmm wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

Also, i heard Crysis 1 was massively pirated, which hurt the game enough for the second to go to console. Just saying, something needs to be done about pirating, or more and more developers will start to slip away from the PC.

Think. 6-7 years ago, PC was at the top of gaming. Now, this is not the case, consoles have overtaken by a lot. I used to be PC, but now my main is PS3. In another 6-7 years, i predict it will be a lot worse. Pirating will be the death of PC games. Something needs to be done.

Pirating should be a crime that is enforced by the law and the government. It is stealing, after all.

It is not stealing - It is an illegal activity, which presumably (we can't be sure that those who pirated a game would have bought it  if they couldn't ) hurts the sales. I am not saying that piracy is good but  I like clear defenitions

Call it what you will, i still call it stealing because the dev loses money, and more to the point, it should be a crime to pirate games. I have no respect to anyone that pirates games.

I have no respect for those who pirate when they have a legal opportunity to buy it - And no - Not having money doesn't count as  "don't have a legal opportunity”)

You didn’t answer my question about non X-BOX friendly countries, btw.

Thats because i completely don't understand that post. Buy it on PS3?

[Eleinehmm]

Eleinehmm wrote...

You didn’t answer my question about non X-BOX friendly countries, btw.

KLUME777 wrote...

Thats because i completely don't understand that post. Buy it on PS3?

Have you ever been out of Australia ? It is the same with PS3 - Cons. have region specific on-line markets and one language only in most of the games. I move between countries a lot and that is (pardon me) a regular pain in the ass.

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:42 .

[Eleinehmm]

To clarify:
I think it is acceptable to download an English-language copy of an X-BOX or PS3 games only  if you already own a non English one and they do not allow you to choose they language on the install AND do not sell English ones in your country. Or and for this purpose I do consider the EU to be a country because  there is no import/export issues.

There are almost no such problems on PC because almost all of the games allow you the language choice – As for consoles – Remember the German Mass Effect 2, when they promised an English language patch and than sort of threw it away, or Polish and Czech Mass Effect 2 when they didn’t  release  some DLCs at all (If they did  please update me on the issue ). I am pretty much sure there are enough Polish and Chech gamers who would really like to play DLCs .

I won’t even mention non Bioware  Fallout 3  language specific DLC – That was beyond awful.
Here you couldn't get English DLCs even if you had an English version (Again correct me if that was changed)

Again - PSN store and X-BOX live are region specific. Some regions DO NOT have X-box live or PSN at all - Check the Wiki if you do not belive me

When consoles will be fair to all the customers, at least as much as PC is now, I will start thinking about buying a console.

I, personaly, buy things on Steam, but what will happen if there would be no PC games left ?

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[DarthCaine]

You can't beat piracy, the most you can do is make it easier for paying customers

[Eleinehmm]

DarthCaine wrote...

You can't beat piracy, the most you can do is make it easier for paying customers

Pretty much it - I advocate  more PC like policies for X-box and PS3 to make people wanting to buy games, instead of  leaving them with the feeling that they are some kind of second rate people, who can't even get all the DLC, the master race can.

Heh,  It seem all of those  PC ARE PIRATES LET'S SWITCH TO CONSOLES  did  make me  angry - Ignorance is a bliss

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:04 .

[Selene Moonsong]

Please, do not include entire conversation trees when quoting; quote only what you are responding to as it makes an easier read for everyone.

[Nibroc17]

I only buy games when i find they are worth spending $40-60, but other wise i will download them and if i like it i will buy it but PC gaming is not perfect so its not always money spent wisely. But what can i say i don't have a conscious and if u asked my mother what words describe me it would be Evil and Selfish...

[Eleinehmm]

Nibroc17 wrote...

I only buy games when i find they are worth spending $40-60, but other wise i will download them and if i like it i will buy it but PC gaming is not perfect so its not always money spent wisely. But what can i say i don't have a conscious and if u asked my mother what words describe me it would be Evil and Selfish...

This is illegal. Why won't you just rent it ?

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:07 .

[AmstradHero]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Heh,  It seem all of those  PC ARE PIRATES LET'S SWITCH TO CONSOLES  did  make me  angry - Ignorance is a bliss

Platform wars are stupid, period. People who promote and continue platform wars make me hate the Internet and gaming forums. Please, anyone here: If you want to bash PC gamers as being elitist, please, don't make a post. If you want to say that console gamers are all kiddies who can't appreciate complex games, step away from your keyboard. It's utterly stupid, totally inane, and completely childish.

I own both a gaming PC and a 360. I'd own a PS3 as well if there were any exclusives that I was really keen to play, but there aren't any at this point in time. I can recognise that PC and consoles both have their advantages and disadvantages. If someone can't see and appreciate this, then they are probably too caught up in their own personal opinions to make a reasoned judgement.

Piracy exists on all platforms to some degree. Unfortunately, that is not going to change any time in the near future.

[Xewaka]

KLUME777 wrote...

Also, i heard Crysis 1 was massively pirated, which hurt the game enough for the second to go to console. Just saying, something needs to be done about pirating, or more and more developers will start to slip away from the PC.

Street Fighter IV sold more on PC than on either console yet Super Street Fighter IV is console-exclusive. Fixed specs do wonders to accelerate developing times. I should know, I had to wait two weeks after Civilization V release to actually play it because of compatibility issues with non-english Windows XP.

KLUME777 wrote...
Think. 6-7 years ago, PC was at the top of gaming. Now, this is not the case, consoles have overtaken by a lot. I used to be PC, but now my main is PS3. In another 6-7 years, i predict it will be a lot worse. Pirating will be the death of PC games. Something needs to be done.

6-7 years ago people already predicted the death of PC gaming. It's been dying for what, ten years now? Yet it still keeps going, and still has at least three genres exclusive to itself (TBS, RTS, graphic adventures).
Also, piracy is not exclusive to PC, not by a longshot. PS3 might be harder to crack, but that's mainly because it sold less that Xbox 360 and the Wii, and thus has generated less interest. Wii, being the highest selling system of the three, was the first to be pirated (iirc).

[Xewaka]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Nibroc17 wrote...

I only buy games when i find they are worth spending $40-60, but other wise i will download them and if i like it i will buy it but PC gaming is not perfect so its not always money spent wisely. But what can i say i don't have a conscious and if u asked my mother what words describe me it would be Evil and Selfish...

This is illegal. Why won't you just rent it ?

I don't know the situation in your city, but here where I live (Santiago de Compostela, Spain), you'd be hard pressed to find a shop that rents PC games. Console yes, PC... not so much.

I remember a time when demos had replayability. I also remember buying games because the demo was awesome.

Modifié par Xewaka, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:14 .

[Milana_Saros]

Xewaka wrote...

The best way to protect it is to sell it at lower prices.

Back when I was young and games costed the equivalent of 12 €, piracy was not a problem.

12€? Was it really that little? *counts* That's like around 60 old Finnish marks so guess they were

Damn these euros...but yeah. Imagine you're a college student and there are 3 great games coming out the same month (let's say Dragon Age 2, Witcher 2, WoW: Cataclysm). That's 150€ freaking euros! If you look at how much you're left with after rent, that's maybe like 1/2 of the spending money you have for LIVING.

[Eleinehmm]

Xewaka wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Nibroc17 wrote...

I only buy games when i find they are worth spending $40-60, but other wise i will download them and if i like it i will buy it but PC gaming is not perfect so its not always money spent wisely. But what can i say i don't have a conscious and if u asked my mother what words describe me it would be Evil and Selfish...

This is illegal. Why won't you just rent it ?

I don't know the situation in your city, but here where I live (Santiago de Compostela, Spain), you'd be hard pressed to find a shop that rents PC games. Console yes, PC... not so much.

I remember a time when demos had replayability. I also remember buying games because the demo was awesome.

Heh -  Hear you - As you have probably seen from my previous rant  B)I am moving around a lot.  There always some kind of problem for a devoted gamer.
For example :
In St. Pete,RU  you just can't find anything  even remotly game like in English.  Even on PC. No renting avaliable
France (even Paris) is the same in this regard, except the PC part - thank god we have euroeditions :-)
Sweden is Haven on Earth in respect of gaming - 3/4 of all the game materials, no matter PC or Console are in the original language and pretty easy to find
Finland is ok.
China is well... difficult. Not going to say anything more on the subject 

And I miss demos too

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:38 .

[Xewaka]

Milana_Saros wrote...
12€? Was it really that little? *counts* That's like around 60 old Finnish marks so guess they were

Damn these euros...but yeah. Imagine you're a college student and there are 3 great games coming out the same month (let's say Dragon Age 2, Witcher 2, WoW: Cataclysm). That's 150€ freaking euros! If you look at how much you're left with after rent, that's maybe like 1/2 of the spending money you have for LIVING.

That was Dynamic pricing: It sold on kiosks (where you bought your game along the newspaper), and they costed either 2000 or 3000 pesetas (12/18 €).
Now, games are either 50 or 60 €. And they wonder why people pirate.

[Milana_Saros]

Eleinehmm wrote...

This is illegal. Why won't you just rent it ?

I rented some CD from the library several years ago. It was scratched beyond comprehension. Needless to say, it didn't quite work.

As for renting games, my number 1 question is: From where????

Xewaka wrote...

That was Dynamic pricing: It sold on
kiosks (where you bought your game along the newspaper), and they costed
either 2000 or 3000 pesetas (12/18 €).
Now, games are either 50 or 60 €. And they wonder why people pirate.

Tell me about it! If I start comparing euro prices to the old mark prices, I feel like crying.

Modifié par Milana_Saros, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:35 .

[Eleinehmm]

Milana_Saros wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

This is illegal. Why won't you just rent it ?

I rented some CD from the library several years ago. It was scratched beyond comprehension. Needless to say, it didn't quite work.

As for renting games, my number 1 question is: From where????

Haven't tried to rent in Finland - Thanks for the info 

[Milana_Saros]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Haven't tried to rent in Finland - Thanks for the info 

My point excactly. I live in Northern-Ostrobothnia of Finland. Renting games? Never even heard of such thing, before watching an episode of Two And a Half Men yesterday. And even if there was a place to rent games, I wouldn't do it, because of the number 1 example I gave.

Hell, I never even lend CDs/DVDs to people I don't know well. I'm not paying 50-60€ for something just so that they can scratch it into ****.

[Eleinehmm]

Xewaka wrote...

That was Dynamic pricing: It sold on
kiosks (where you bought your game along the newspaper), and they costed
either 2000 or 3000 pesetas (12/18 €).
Now, games are either 50 or 60 €. And they wonder why people pirate.

Milana_Saros wrote..
Tell me about it! If I start comparing euro prices to the old mark prices, I feel like crying.

In my experience Finland is one of the most expensive countries in the EU - Must have been hard...

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:44 .

[Milana_Saros]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

That was Dynamic pricing: It sold on
kiosks (where you bought your game along the newspaper), and they costed
either 2000 or 3000 pesetas (12/18 €).
Now, games are either 50 or 60 €. And they wonder why people pirate.

Milana_Saros wrote..
Tell me about it! If I start comparing euro prices to the old mark prices, I feel like crying.

In my expirience Finland is one of the most expensive countries in th EU - Must have been hard...

Yeah well haven't compared the prices to other countries but yeah, things sure are BS when it comes to prices. Haven't really fealt any insane financial problems with my crappy employment situation but buying clothes or games or other stuff? Yeah, sure, maybe for birthday/christmas. If you go abroad from Finland, one goal you have is to buy stuff like a maniac.

[Nibroc17]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Nibroc17 wrote...

I only buy games when i find they are worth spending $40-60, but other wise i will download them and if i like it i will buy it but PC gaming is not perfect so its not always money spent wisely. But what can i say i don't have a conscious and if u asked my mother what words describe me it would be Evil and Selfish...

This is illegal. Why won't you just rent it ?

One reason is because money controls people's live's far to much, and my personal reason is because i don't have a conscious... 

[kr33g0r]

Piracy isn't the reason why PC gaming appears to be dying. It is developers not maximising the PC's potential and developing a lot of sub standard games instead of a few quality ones. I would also say that there is a lack of decent new idea's at the moment.



Anyway, back on topic. The way DAO was done re DRM was great. Very little and not intrusive. However, now that EA are on board that is all likely to change. They tend to send what they touch to the crapper.

[Copyright Theft]

Nibroc17 wrote...
One reason is because money controls people's live's far to much, and my personal reason is because i don't have a conscious... 

And that right there is why we'll probably never stop piracy. At the end of the day, most pirates don't see the problem.

I support the day 1 free DLC with new copies method. However some people seem to support this but complain about "project $10". Aren't they pretty much the same thing?

Modifié par Copyright Theft, 17 novembre 2010 - 12:24 .