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[MarshalVaako]

Normally I don't care but they really pushed the sex scenes and how mature this game was in advertising. They have gore to the point of campiness but magic underwear appears during sex scenes? LAME

[lordhugorune]

Seriously, if you folks are looking for porn, there are better places to find it than within video games



The fact of the matter is it's not good business to make the game any more 'adult-rated' than is necessary to preserve the gaming experience - and, for example, if they had included full nudity and/or more explicit sex scenes, then this game would have been banned in Australia - and/or given higher restricted ratings in other countries - and that would have sucked.

[ngen]

lordhugorune wrote...

Seriously, if you folks are looking for porn, there are better places to find it than within video games

You are completely missing the point. This game is all about immersion, one of the stories you can live (re-live) enact or whatever you choose to call it is a love story between your character and a companion. It breaks the immersion that a magically pair of under garment appears on your "loved" one when you finally want to have sex with her (or him).

Imagine reading a book about two people who loved each other, and as you read a long it would be something like this:

Trisha slowly undressed in front of him, he watched her every move. Caressing her body with his eyes. Then Trisha ran out to the bathroom and came back in set of woolen bra and knickers... THE END

Quite boring eyh?


And besides that, the love scene in DA:O feels like its directed by a 14 year old. Where as the love scene in ME is much more erotic.

There are many ways of showing eroticism without actually showing the intercourse or "porn" as you refer to it.

And i'm sure that when the modders are getting a better feel for the toolset there will be someone who creates a much better sex scene than provided by BW. Which I think chickened out because of the ESRB's totalitarian control over every media.

Modifié par ngen, 13 novembre 2009 - 06:57 .

[Wolf Northwind]

I never heard the term 'sideboob' before... Is that technical nomenclature?

[Docjam]

lordhugorune wrote...

Seriously, if you folks are looking for porn, there are better places to find it than within video games

The fact of the matter is it's not good business to make the game any more 'adult-rated' than is necessary to preserve the gaming experience - and, for example, if they had included full nudity and/or more explicit sex scenes, then this game would have been banned in Australia - and/or given higher restricted ratings in other countries - and that would have sucked.

IMO honestly it's less about seeing pixelated body parts and more about 2 things:

1.  Half ass compromise:  I'd rather see the leaning in to kiss and fade to black allusion to a sex scene than see the attempt to "show" the sex scene but have it consist of people in underwear being in proximity to each other.  I say if they're going to "show" the sex scene that is the "crowning achievement" of the romance options, lose the underwear, the underwear is simply immersion shattering.

2.  It's a weak concession to the right wing christian coalition puritans that have this country's government by the balls and are always squeezing them for more censorship.  This is supposed to be the land of the free but a lot of times there's overzealous bible thumpers out there claiming "there oughtta be limits to freedom".  That's not what I went overseas to fight for my country for, to have limits to freedom and have entertainment, art, and other forms of expression censored in the name of God.  Doing evil things in the name of God was the exact ignorance that caused 9/11, that caused all the bloodshed in Iraq.  Maybe the Christian fundamentalists aren't killing in the name, but they're still doing evil things in an attempt to make this a "Christian country".  I say Christian Fundamentalists are every bit as evil as their Islamic Fundamentalist counterparts.  Can't say fundamentalist without mental can you?  When this country learns what "separation of church and state" means, we'll be far better off.

[ngen]

+1 for DocJam

[lordhugorune]

Er, I'm not the one missing the point here.



I loathe censorship as much as anyone here. More than most, in fact. But it is a reality in every single country, and Bioware have to deal with reality.

If they had included full nudity, the game would have been banned in Australia, wiping out a significant market right then and there - and it would have also earned it a rating in many countries that would have probably taken it off store shelves. It's simply not worth it.

What difference is there in the gameplay between partial nudity and full nudity? Absolutely nothing. Is immersion lost? Yeah, probably, but again, if you're looking for a fully immersive sex scene, its not Bioware's job to deliver that.

[LaztRezort]

lordhugorune wrote...

Er, I'm not the one missing the point here.

I loathe censorship as much as anyone here. More than most, in fact. But it is a reality in every single country, and Bioware have to deal with reality.
If they had included full nudity, the game would have been banned in Australia, wiping out a significant market right then and there - and it would have also earned it a rating in many countries that would have probably taken it off store shelves. It's simply not worth it.
What difference is there in the gameplay between partial nudity and full nudity? Absolutely nothing. Is immersion lost? Yeah, probably, but again, if you're looking for a fully immersive sex scene, its not Bioware's job to deliver that.

Sure, I can understand the business sense of the whole thing.  But it is refreshing, nonetheless, when artists (and I'll boldly lump game developers into that category) push the envelope for these things.  Video games are in desperate need to catch up with the rest of media and society, and it will take bold developers to push this forward.

To take an example, if movies were held to same level of scrutiny of "morals" as video games are, just imagine all the great momenets that would have been edited out of all those fine films you've seen in the past.  But, what difference does it make?  Why do people even want R-rated movies, when we can just edit them all down to PG?

The answer is because adults should get to have fun, too.

[Rolenka]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Wolf Northwind wrote...

I never heard the term 'sideboob' before... Is that technical nomenclature?

http://www.urbandict...p?term=sideboob

Modifié par Rolenka, 13 novembre 2009 - 09:15 .

[ItsToofy]

Screw the children, I was once a child and had to wait to be an "adult" before I could enjoy the "adult" stuff....now I have to take a backseat to the kids because we don't want to corrupt them so my adult entertainment has to suffer?



Last time I checked it was the KIDS IN THE BACKSEAT! Adults need to stop trying to protect their children in the name of morals and realize that life is passing them by, and fast.



If they want to protect their children from vulgarity then they need to do a better job at parenting, not letting some outside company like the FCC babysit their own children.

[Osprey39]

Ghandorian wrote...

GreenMario wrote...

Thsi is teh first time of my life i heard of "partial nudity". No offence but why are americans that scared of naked skin? just curious. I see boobs all teh time on televison.

a german guy

Some of the states where founded by a bunch of zealots who really did burn people alive for being witches!  They have come a long way but still have a strong religiously conservative population.

You're referencing something that happened in the 17th century.  Also, the state (singular) you are referring to happens to be one of the most liberal states in the country today. 

If you don't believe sexual images have a place on primetime TV, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion or politics.  I don't think that stuff should be easily accessible to kids and I'm not religious at all.  I am pretty conservative politically but I have no problem with sexual content provided it's aimed at adults.  I don't think it's a good idea for kids to be exposed to that.  I don't think it's a coincidence that as our society has become more accepting of sexual content on TV that teen pregnancy has also become more prevalant.  Now unless liberals think it's ****g great for 13 year olds to be having kids of their own, I don't think that's my conservative political views that make me feel that way. 

As for the ****** or lack thereof in this game, I'm all for it.  The game is clearly labled as containing such.  I have no problem with seeing ****** as long as they aren't the kind of ****** that make Rick James say, "I wish I had another set of hands so I could give those ****** 4 thumbs down!  The milk has gone bad!" 

Modifié par Osprey39, 13 novembre 2009 - 09:46 .

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

it could be the ****** on the female character models.

[Docjam]

Osprey39 wrote...

Ghandorian wrote...

GreenMario wrote...

Thsi is teh first time of my life i heard of "partial nudity". No offence but why are americans that scared of naked skin? just curious. I see boobs all teh time on televison.

a german guy

Some of the states where founded by a bunch of zealots who really did burn people alive for being witches!  They have come a long way but still have a strong religiously conservative population.

You're referencing something that happened in the 17th century.  Also, the state (singular) you are referring to happens to be one of the most liberal states in the country today. 

If you don't believe sexual images have a place on primetime TV, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion or politics.  I don't think that stuff should be easily accessible to kids and I'm not religious at all.  I am pretty conservative politically but I have no problem with sexual content provided it's aimed at adults.  I don't think it's a good idea for kids to be exposed to that.  I don't think it's a coincidence that as our society has become more accepting of sexual content on TV that teen pregnancy has also become more prevalant.  Now unless liberals think it's ****g great for 13 year olds to be having kids of their own, I don't think that's my conservative political views that make me feel that way. 

As for the ****** or lack thereof in this game, I'm all for it.  The game is clearly labled as containing such.  I have no problem with seeing ****** as long as they aren't the kind of ****** that make Rick James say, "I wish I had another set of hands so I could give those ****** 4 thumbs down!  The milk has gone bad!" 

I half agree half disagree with the stance on nudity on prime time television.

I half agree because yeah, glorifying sex where children can see it is kinda not the best idea in the world, and it possibly for some young teens with parents who aren't open and responsible about the topic of sex (ie they avoid talking to their kids about it at all and let the TV and movies teach them all about it instead) might wind up with teenage pregnancies and such.. and that's a shame.  So graphic sex scenes on prime time network TV?  No.  Not a good idea.. because like I said there's a lot of parents out there that aren't responsible enough to really educate their kids on the realities of sex.  They shouldn't be having children.. but hey, that's their choice.

I half disagree in.. some senses.. I think nudity itself isn't necessarily sexual and shouldn't be as taboo as it is in the US.  In other countries in say Europe, or Brazil, they have topless women on primetime TV all the time.. and I haven't heard that their teenage pregnancy problems were any worse than ours..   I think part of why the nudity and sex becomes such an interest to people is because it's so taboo and a forbidden fruit (kinda like how the legal drinking ages of other countries are lower and sometimes because of that they have lower incidence of alcohol related problems.. where there's no legal drinking age at all and familes commonly drink beer or wine with dinner and their children partake.. it's not forbidden fruit at all, so they don't make a big deal out of drinking and get into problems)  If we had bare breasts on TV the same way you'd see a man walking around shirtless.. eventually nobody would make a big deal of it.  I mean women still admire and appreciate looking at a man's bare chest.. but it's seen as socially acceptable for a man to walk around barechested.  It could be that way with women someday..   So anyway I'm all for weaning us off the taboo of at least topless women.  Should be socially acceptable.

But you are right on one thing for sure, liberal, conservative, whatever, this is an M rated game, for adults, so.. if it has nudity, violence, swearing, drugs and alcohol, that's okay.. we're adults and we can handle ourselves around that kinda environment.

[Kevin Lynch]

This thread's gone off DA:O in terms of discussion. Bring it back or it goes into lockdown. General discussion on nudity/sexuality in various cultures belongs in the Off Topic forum.

[Orogun01]

No surprise there, since all threads about nudity end up in a debate of different view on sexuality. Passing by the usual Americans are prudes, developers should push the envelope and mods suggestion.

On the topic, I have to agree that partial nudity is throughly extended to include things outside it's domain. As I understand any suggestive clothing may be considered partial nudity, so by ESBR standard there are a bunch of partial nude people walking around.

[Dnarris]

Orogun01 wrote...

No surprise there, since all threads about nudity end up in a debate of different view on sexuality. Passing by the usual Americans are prudes, developers should push the envelope and mods suggestion.
On the topic, I have to agree that partial nudity is throughly extended to include things outside it's domain. As I understand any suggestive clothing may be considered partial nudity, so by ESBR standard there are a bunch of partial nude people walking around.

All the reason to think twice before taking children to the beach or the lake or the river or the public pool or where ever scantily clad people might congregate in your area.

[Gavelayde]

Ooh...ouch! I have an 8 yearold daughter...and I tried to push her off today from a comprimising position(A movie)..she knew what was going on...and I just pushed her away from a known factor...Once they know about the opposite sex there is no turning back....It's time to have a talk...

[Zenon]

I agree, that it is ridiculous to have blood all over the screen and even figures losing the head or a limb... but one sexy naked boob with nipples can ruin your day in the US. I have two comments about that:



a) For me it is ok to have splatter and violence in an adult game. Still, it seems some people would have preferred an option to reduce or switch off the blood or armor-stains.



I live in Europe. Here women don't wear a bra in romantic scenes. LOL. I wonder why in the US there is made so much difference between M rated games and R (sometimes PG13) rated movies? I want an option to switch bra on or off. If necessary I send Bioware a copy of my ID, that I am old enough.



Seems sex is kind of discriminated compared to violence. It has seemingly more merit to bloody kill human like victims than to make love with them.