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[Brockololly]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I'll be worried if I haven't seen anything by January 10.

/still haven't pre-ordered

Bingo.

[MerinTB]

Brockololly wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
I'll be worried if I haven't seen anything by January 10.
/still haven't pre-ordered

Bingo.

I still would bet good money that we don't see PC gameplay footage until, at the earliest, January 14th.
I'd bet decent money that we don't see more than flash of gameplay footage from any system until that date as well.
I'd even gamble a small amount that we NEVER see PC gameplay footage pre-release.

I hope if their marketing includes all the pre-order numbers before the SE cut-off date that someone can get access to all the cancelled pre-orders after gameplay footage is shown - I'd be interested in that (no predicitions on whether that would actually entail huge cancellations OR an increase in pre-orders at this point.)

[addiction21]

MerinTB wrote...

I still would bet good money that we don't see PC gameplay footage until, at the earliest, January 14th.
I'd bet decent money that we don't see more than flash of gameplay footage from any system until that date as well.
I'd even gamble a small amount that we NEVER see PC gameplay footage pre-release.

I so hope you lose those bets too. I really really do.

[upsettingshorts]

I bet they'll know the numbers, but there's no way they'll ever tell us. Regarding pre-orders before vs. after cut off, plus even though that might be informative, it also strikes me as a metric that would produce an unreliably poor signal-to-noise ratio.

[Brockololly]

Eh, you can bet your ass that BioWare/EA will have some press release saying what a huge success the SE preorder scheme is and how they're so happy to reward their loyal fans with such outstanding value and how its a sure sign that DA2 will be a great smash hit, blah blah blah.



If they don't show any meaningful PC gameplay before their January deadline, I won't preorder and given games like Deus Ex or Shogun 2 coming out right around then, I'll likely wait for DA2's price to sink like a rock just like ME2's did.

[MerinTB]

addiction21 wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

I still would bet good money that we don't see PC gameplay footage until, at the earliest, January 14th.
I'd bet decent money that we don't see more than flash of gameplay footage from any system until that date as well.
I'd even gamble a small amount that we NEVER see PC gameplay footage pre-release.

I so hope you lose those bets too. I really really do.

What most people probably don't realize is I desperately want to be wrong as well.

Everytime something I'm worried about turns out to be even partially right I don't take any joy in it.

[addiction21]

But you were right!! Revel in it for that is all that matters in the world /sarcasim



I know you want those thngs to be wrong. Just lending some supprot I guess... the ole brain is still warming up and I need some coffee.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I don't think Bioware not showing much gameplay is too out of the ordinary. However, I've always thought that the extremely short dev cycle was really out of the ordinary.

[Annihilator27]

Nah, Just sit back and relax folks. Or over exaggerate on everything.

[marbatico]

jhawke wrote...
Is anyone worried about lack of "official" gameplay footage?

how about no!

[Talogrungi]

I'm not, for one very good (at least, I think so) reason.

It's a sequel.

The gameplay can only get better, not worse.

[Monica83]

Hem..... no..... THis is not a sequel... this is another complete different game... tha'ts the difference... And for the gameplay the origins one is very much better... than DA2 dragon age 2 its just not dragon age

[Ziggeh]

Monica83 wrote...

And for the gameplay the origins one is very much better..

You haven't played it.

[Talogrungi]

Monica83 wrote...

Hem..... no..... THis is not a sequel... this is another complete different game... tha'ts the difference... And for the gameplay the origins one is very much better... than DA2 dragon age 2 its just not dragon age

It's a sequel; it's Dragon Age 2.

Might not be the continuation of the original story, but it's game #2 made by the same company in the same genre and set in the same world. Hence, it's coming from a solid foundation and is likely to be an improvement over the original.

Feel free to disagree, but until the game launches it's purely opinion-vs-opinion.

[JrayM16]

Talogrungi wrote...

I'm not, for one very good (at least, I think so) reason.
It's a sequel.
The gameplay can only get better, not worse.

 I would actually contest this as a blanket statement, but that's not an argument I really want to get into.

[Revan312]

Talogrungi wrote...

It's a sequel; it's Dragon Age 2.

Might not be the continuation of the original story, but it's game #2 made by the same company in the same genre and set in the same world. Hence, it's coming from a solid foundation and is likely to be an improvement over the original.

Feel free to disagree, but until the game launches it's purely opinion-vs-opinion.

That's really not a very good position to take though.. I loved Mass Effect, ME2 was a massive step back gameplay wise to me.. Just because it's a sequel doesn't mean it will be better. In fact most sequels I've played are generally worse than the original title. Bioshock 2 is another example, and Empire Total War and Left 4 Dead 2 and etc etc.. Again, those are all based on my opinion, but being a sequel has nothing to do with whether or not it will be a good game.

Modifié par Revan312, 18 novembre 2010 - 10:21 .

[Talogrungi]

Revan312 wrote...

That's really not a very good position to take though.. I loved Mass Effect, ME2 was a massive step back gameplay wise to me.. Just because it's a sequel doesn't mean it will be better. In fact most sequels I've played are generally worse than the original title. Bioshock 2 is another example, and Empire Total War and Left 4 Dead 2 and etc etc.. Again, those are all based on my opinion, but being a sequel has nothing to do with whether or not it will be a good game.

Fair enough; my opinion comes from a different perspective .. I vastly preferred the combat in ME2 to the original, and while I thought that Bioshock 2's plot was fairly tacked-on and mediocre, I found the actual gameplay to be better as well. Combining plasmids to make super-cyclone traps was outstanding fun.

I stand by my original statement though; it would take an epic amount of failure for a developer to build on the foundations of solid gameplay and make said gameplay worse.

[Revan312]

Talogrungi wrote...
I stand by my original statement though; it would take an epic amount of failure for a developer to build on the foundations of solid gameplay and make said gameplay worse.

But your stating that as fact when I feel it doesn't take much failure at all to muddy good gameplay.  In your experience the game sequels you've played have expanded on the gameplay in a good way.... to you.. In most of my experiences sequels throw good gameplay mechanics out the window in favor of casualizing the franchise.. Bioshock's gameplay was better as a whole, I'll agree, but it still wasn't a better game, at all.  ME2 imo threw a ton of the atmosphere building mechanics out such as elevators, forced airlock transitions, the mako etc etc

The reason I said that was a bad position to take is because at any moment there could be a sequel that you think is worse than the original, it's simply that your preferences have been catered to in a lucky way, mine haven't as I obviously hold non-majority tastes.. But your luck might run out and perhaps DA2 will actually feel worse to you.  I just think you shouldn't roll a blanket statement out like the above because it's asking for either delusion or disappointment..

[Dave of Canada]

This whole "dumbed down" thing is silly, especially when referencing Mass Effect. Mass Effect 1 was "dumbed down" for guess who? The RPG gamers that aren't too much into shooters, so blaming other audiences for "dumbing down" a game is... yeah. I'd say you can hate X feature for X reason, however just saying it's "casualized" or whatever is silly.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 18 novembre 2010 - 11:28 .

[Arrtis]

ME2 was better than ME1 and more complex.

[AlanC9]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I don't think Bioware not showing much gameplay is too out of the ordinary. However, I've always thought that the extremely short dev cycle was really out of the ordinary.

Unless you figure the devs were lying about when work started on DA2, the DA2 cycle is approximately equal to BG2's cycle, and only a bit shorter than ME2's.

[Revan312]

Dave of Canada wrote...

This whole "dumbed down" thing is
silly, especially when referencing Mass Effect. Mass Effect 1 was
"dumbed down" for guess who? The RPG gamers that aren't too much into
shooters, so blaming other audiences for "dumbing down" a game is...
yeah. I'd say you can hate X feature for X reason, however just saying
it's "casualized" or whatever is silly.

But that's the reason they make things more accesible and easier to jump into, so they can grab the casual audience. ME1 was barely an RPG to begin with, but with two it went that much further into the realm of action title. I'm not saying that they betrayed me, I'm not saying it's worse, I'm saying in my opinion it's a title that's worse than the original.

Play X-Wing Alliance or Tachyon: The Fringe and then go play X-3 Terran conflict. X-3 is 5 times more complex than both the other titles combined and sold 5 times less because people, as a general rule, are casual gamers. They don't want to spend two days just learning the controls which is fine, but those are the games I gravitate towards more, very complex systems with tons of replayability and choice.

So no, saying casualized is a fair term.  Companies want more revinue so they make games easier and easier to jump into and understand. I dislike the way the industry is going because of that, like I said, my opinion, but the fact that they are "casualizing" more and more games now is not in question, that's a fact. Others however might see that as a good thing, I simply don't.

AlanC9 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I don't think Bioware not showing much gameplay is too out of the ordinary. However, I've always thought that the extremely short dev cycle was really out of the ordinary.

Unless you figure the devs were lying about when work started on DA2, the DA2 cycle is approximately equal to BG2's cycle, and only a bit shorter than ME2's.

BG2 had half the complexity of today's games and imo, the short cycle on ME2 shows as the atmosphere of the game is very michael bay simple.. But that's again my preference and opinion, I don't wish to get into a debate about it.

Modifié par Revan312, 18 novembre 2010 - 11:53 .

[FieryDove]

Arrtis wrote...

ME1 more complex.

I agree with this.

[Morroian]

Revan312 wrote...

BG2 had half the complexity of today's games

It probably had less than half the people working on it who are working on DA2 as well. Once again the issue is not the absolute time but man hours.

[Ziggeh]

Morroian wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

BG2 had half the complexity of today's games

It probably had less than half the people working on it who are working on DA2 as well. Once again the issue is not the absolute time but man hours.

That's not relevant to his point.