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[Ryzaki]

Norskatt wrote...

Did I say women couldn't fight? I thought I said fighting & carrying around those axes & hammers that in all honesty would WEIGH more than they do! Meaning.. how could they lift something that was heavier than they are? Perhaps I worded it weird..  I was talking about fighting with the weapon choices dear.. not the capability of fighting.

Then you should honestly feel the same way about men.

Also...how are the axes bigger than they are?  Only weapons bigger than people are 2HDs. A sword and shielder can wear massive armor you realize yes? And most of the weapons in the game are not heavier than they are.

So no. A woman running around sword bashing someone in massive armor isn't the least bit unbelievable. And a guy wielding those huge2hds is just as disbelieveable as a female. (With the current body model. Both males and females could stand to be a bit more fit looking). And with enough training lifting those weapons would be quite possible.

"Dear".

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 novembre 2010 - 09:30 .

[Loerwyn]

Fighting with a battlehammer is less about strength, I believe, and more about momentum.

If they'd trained with those weapons and bulked up, there's no reason why they can't lift them. Just because you cannot, it doesn't mean others can't. The characters in this game, and the people in real life, will have all trained with those weapons and become used to them. A moderately fit person should easily be able to lift their own weight, so someone well trained in weaponry (And, as such, someone who's extremely fit) would have little issue with a heavier object.

Modifié par OnlyShallow89, 17 novembre 2010 - 09:29 .

[Norskatt]

Ryzaki wrote...

Then you should honestly feel the same way about men.

Well, this wasn't a thread about men's armor..it was a thread about women's. So I didn't give my opinion about men. I was staying on topic.

[Cartims]

Norskatt wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Norskatt wrote...

I'd actually rather have the skimpier armor on my characters. In my opinion, (and I'm a woman so don't beat me up too badly for speaking ill of my own sex) armor on women characters makes about as much sense as women fighting and actually carrying around those huge war hammers & battle axes! Maybe women were 'tougher' than they are today (and this is fantasy afterall); but, I'm *certain* I couldn't even begin to think about lifting one...let alone actually trying to use it.

So yeah, I just want my character to look pretty

And you being a woman doesn't stop that from being ridculously sexist, horribly offensive and in my personal opinion stupid.


If that's the case why have a female warrior at all? You might as well make her a mage and be done with it. Women are incapable of fighting after all. <_<

Nothing wrong with your character looking pretty if that's what you're into. Saying women can't fight on th other hand is just...urgh. I'm trying not to rant.

Did I say women couldn't fight? I thought I said fighting & carrying around those axes & hammers that in all honesty would WEIGH more than they do! Meaning.. how could they lift something that was heavier than they are and actually fight with it? Perhaps I worded it weird..  I was talking about fighting with the weapon choices dear.. not the capability of fighting.

Add to that the weight of what the armor would be? THAT'S my point..not that women can't or couldn't fight. Sorry if you misunderstood my meaning.

I would rather see Nor in skimpier armor for one.....and she is so beautifull the enemies fall in love with her before it come to a fight, so what's the problem, some of of have other ways of doing things....just saying...to each his own.

[Ryzaki]

Norskatt wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Then you should honestly feel the same way about men.

Well, this wasn't a thread about men's armor..it was a thread about women's. So I didn't give my opinion about men. I was staying on topic.

So...you going to ignore the rest of my post? 

Regardless it's not unrealistic for them to pick it up and use it with proper training (which ironically enough is what you need to use the weapons to any effect in the first place. )

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 novembre 2010 - 09:35 .

[Loerwyn]

Cartims wrote...
to each his own.

There's a difference between one's likes/dislikes with regards to women, armour and weaponry and a sexist comment.

Norskatt's comment was clearly the latter.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

I agree with Norskatt. The woman's body wasn't designed for wearing heavy armor and swinging battleaxes. However, women's maternal instinct can drive them to be fierce fighters when their children are being threatened. This demonstrates women's ability to fight, although light-weight weapons are armor would be more realistic. The male body is (with all other things being equal) better suited for hand-to-hand combat.



DA question - Does the 'blood frenzy' reaver ability work for archers?

[Ryzaki]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

I agree with Norskatt. The woman's body wasn't designed for wearing heavy armor and swinging battleaxes. However, women's maternal instinct can drive them to be fierce fighters when their children are being threatened. This demonstrates women's ability to fight, although light-weight weapons are armor would be more realistic. The male body is (with all other things being equal) better suited for hand-to-hand combat.

DA question - Does the 'blood frenzy' reaver ability work for archers?

H&H is best served with very little armor. So basically no one should wear heavy armor?

For H&H to be most effective you need flexible and light armor.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 novembre 2010 - 09:41 .

[Loerwyn]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...
The woman's body wasn't designed for wearing heavy armor and swinging battleaxes.

No-one's body was, they're creations we've made for ourselves. As women were rarely, if ever, seen to be fighters, it's still slightly odd (in a Western society) to think of women as capable fighters because aside from a handful of anomalies, women have rarely been in that role.

That's not, however, to say that a woman is not capable of wearing heavy armour and swinging heavier weaponry. Women might not have the relative strength in their arms, but given a good period of time training (Just as a man would need), I don't see why a woman would not be able to be the equal of a male fighter.

[Cartims]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Cartims wrote...
to each his own.

There's a difference between one's likes/dislikes with regards to women, armour and weaponry and a sexist comment.

Norskatt's comment was clearly the latter.

I don't think she was being sexist.....just sexy...there is a difference:D

[Wicked 702]

I know this is probably a stupid question to ask on a fantasy game board, but have any of you actually handled a full-weight one-handed sword? Or better yet, a two-hander? Sorry to bring in the whole "realism in a fantasy setting" thing but Norskatt is right that no "normal" woman on the planet could hope to properly handle a full-sized two-hander. Maybe a women who spent her life bulking up into the incredible hulk, but not in any graceful sense.

[Ryzaki]

Wicked 702 wrote...

I know this is probably a stupid question to ask on a fantasy game board, but have any of you actually handled a full-weight one-handed sword? Or better yet, a two-hander? Sorry to bring in the whole "realism in a fantasy setting" thing but Norskatt is right that no "normal" woman on the planet could hope to properly handle a full-sized two-hander. Maybe a women who spent her life bulking up into the incredible hulk, but not in any graceful sense.

No woman could handle a one handed sword? So what Joan of Arc was levitating it? Women in movies use plastic metal swords or some such? Even if they had to get fit in order to do some of the stunts?

Also body builders actually focus on being bulky. There are plenty of fit (note the fit not skinny like DA femles are) can handle heavy weapons.

Not doing something is vastly different from being completely incapable of doing it. Most people given enough training and effort and time can wield a weapon. Male or female. Females historically had very little opportunity to do such things.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 novembre 2010 - 09:55 .

[Loerwyn]

Wicked 702 wrote...

I know this is probably a stupid question to ask on a fantasy game board, but have any of you actually handled a full-weight one-handed sword? Or better yet, a two-hander? Sorry to bring in the whole "realism in a fantasy setting" thing but Norskatt is right that no "normal" woman on the planet could hope to properly handle a full-sized two-hander. Maybe a women who spent her life bulking up into the incredible hulk, but not in any graceful sense.

And, pray tell, would a warhammer weigh more than a sledgehammer? They're practically the same except that one has been refined into a weapon.

As for swords, according to a little research, the Zweihander (i.e. a two handed sword) usually weighed upto around 3kg, a weight that anyone should be easily capable of lifting, with the claymore (Another type of two handed sword) being around the same.

That said, a one handed (or bastard sword, perhaps) would be a more practical weapon due to the lighter weight.

Modifié par OnlyShallow89, 17 novembre 2010 - 09:53 .

[Wicked 702]

Ryzaki wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

I know this is probably a stupid question to ask on a fantasy game board, but have any of you actually handled a full-weight one-handed sword? Or better yet, a two-hander? Sorry to bring in the whole "realism in a fantasy setting" thing but Norskatt is right that no "normal" woman on the planet could hope to properly handle a full-sized two-hander. Maybe a women who spent her life bulking up into the incredible hulk, but not in any graceful sense.

No woman could handle a one handed sword?

Reading comprehension fail?

[Ryzaki]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Reading comprehension fail?

Oh my bad.

Doesn't stop the underlined from being nonsense.

bleetman wrote...

"Men are always willing to believe two things about a woman: One, that she is weak, and two, that she finds him attractive"

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Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:01 .

[bleetman]

"Men are always willing to believe two things about a woman: One that she is weak, and two that she finds him attractive"

Modifié par bleetman, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:01 .

[Wicked 702]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

I know this is probably a stupid question to ask on a fantasy game board, but have any of you actually handled a full-weight one-handed sword? Or better yet, a two-hander? Sorry to bring in the whole "realism in a fantasy setting" thing but Norskatt is right that no "normal" woman on the planet could hope to properly handle a full-sized two-hander. Maybe a women who spent her life bulking up into the incredible hulk, but not in any graceful sense.

And, pray tell, would a warhammer weigh more than a sledgehammer? They're practically the same except that one has been refined into a weapon.

As for swords, according to a little research, the Zweihander (i.e. a two handed sword) usually weighed upto around 3kg, a weight that anyone should be easily capable of lifting, with the claymore (Another type of two handed sword) being around the same.

That said, a one handed (or bastard sword, perhaps) would be a more practical weapon due to the lighter weight.

Again, this is an issue of paradigm. And the whole "realism in a fantasy" thing. I'm talking about medieval/renaissance sized people (weight, height, diet, etc.). I don't disagree that a one-handed sword would certainly be reasonable.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

In the sort of H2H fighting that someone might get into on the street, armor would not be used. However, in a battle with big metal blades flying around, armor would be pretty important. I still believe that, in modern warfare or any type of ranged combat (including a Medieval archery fight), women could fight as well as men. In my next playthrough, I was going to have a female warrior archer, and I was thinking of how dumb the 'armor of the nimble' would look on her, since it's appearance is based off of the Dalish armor. Maybe she'll wear a lighter metal armor to reduce fatigue. BTW, does the 'blood frenzy' reaver skill work for ranged weapons?



Lol. Sorry I got off the subject. The original topic was how unrealistic the Dalish leather armor looks on women.

[Ryzaki]

Wicked 702 wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

I know this is probably a stupid question to ask on a fantasy game board, but have any of you actually handled a full-weight one-handed sword? Or better yet, a two-hander? Sorry to bring in the whole "realism in a fantasy setting" thing but Norskatt is right that no "normal" woman on the planet could hope to properly handle a full-sized two-hander. Maybe a women who spent her life bulking up into the incredible hulk, but not in any graceful sense.

And, pray tell, would a warhammer weigh more than a sledgehammer? They're practically the same except that one has been refined into a weapon.

As for swords, according to a little research, the Zweihander (i.e. a two handed sword) usually weighed upto around 3kg, a weight that anyone should be easily capable of lifting, with the claymore (Another type of two handed sword) being around the same.

That said, a one handed (or bastard sword, perhaps) would be a more practical weapon due to the lighter weight.

Again, this is an issue of paradigm. And the whole "realism in a fantasy" thing. I'm talking about medieval/renaissance sized people (weight, height, diet, etc.). I don't disagree that a one-handed sword would certainly be reasonable.

And a male farmer couldn't have picked up some 2HD weapons either? You're point? The female is supposed to be a trained warrior.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:06 .

[Norskatt]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

There's a difference between one's likes/dislikes with regards to women, armour and weaponry and a sexist comment.

Norskatt's comment was clearly the latter.

No, It was a misread/misinterpretted analogy actually. I never said women couldn't fight... Nor did I say they were incapable of the task...my comment was merely about the weight of armor and how silly it would be realistically for a woman to wear armor that out weighed her.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Also, bear in mind that, success in hand-to-hand combat would require more than just the ability to swing a sword, but the ability to swing it faster and harder than your opponent.

[Ryzaki]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Also, bear in mind that, success in hand-to-hand combat would require more than just the ability to swing a sword, but the ability to swing it faster and harder than your opponent.

Why would you even have  sword in hand to hand? 

[Norskatt]

Ryzaki wrote...



So...you going to ignore the rest of my post?

Yes, actually. It was pointless.