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[DragonB]

 I absolutely adored DA Origins and Awakening loving almost every aspect of them.... 
but one of the main reasons I fell in love with DA was the ability to customize before and within the game ...

... DAII doesn't seem to offer the same therefore I do not believe it is truly DA the only relation it has to it is the names.

I wouldn't have a quarrel with the game if they hadn't tried to pass it off as Dragon Age.....

Anyone else have any thoughts on this aspect??

[Ziggeh]

DragonB wrote...

Anyone else have any thoughts on this aspect??

You might want to check the "what we know" sticky for developer remarks, with the exception of origins and not being able to redress your companions in horrid, horrid clothing, they really aren't removing much in the way of customisation, no matter how it "seems".

[ENolan]

Just a head's up: you might get blasted for not searching out this topic elsewhere in the forums.



I can't blame you though. I saw you just signed up. Thought I should give you a fair warning.

[AtreiyaN7]

Sorry, but the Dragon AGE series is about events in a specific time period in Thedas. It's not the Warden Age; it's not the "we're going to stay in Ferelden forever age" or the "we promise to keep everything exactly the same and never change age" either. It said "Origins" in DA:O specifically because it was about multiple people who had the chance to become a Grey Warden.

They wanted to do something different in DA2 and tell another story. Now as far as I know, Bioware created this world, and we, the fans, did not. Therefore, it's their right to do anything they want. It's still a game set in Thedas during the Dragon Age. It's pretty much not our right to try to tell them what to do with their intellectual property.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 novembre 2010 - 07:58 .

[Nerivant]

DragonB wrote...

... DAII doesn't seem to offer the same therefore I do not believe it is truly DA the only relation it has to it is the names.

I wouldn't have a quarrel with the game if they hadn't tried to pass it off as Dragon Age.....

And I wouldn't have a quarrel with you if you didn't post this.

The only relation is its name? 

What about the developer, the lore, the class system, etc. etc. etc?

Modifié par Nerivant, 17 novembre 2010 - 08:07 .

[Challseus]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Sorry, but the Dragon AGE series is about events in a specific time period in Thedas. It's not the Warden Age; it's not the "we're going to stay in Ferelden forever age" or the "we promise to keep everything exactly the same and never change age" either. It said "Origins" in DA:O specifically because it was about multiple people who had the chance to become a Grey Warden.

They wanted to do something different in DA2 and tell another story. Now as far as I know, Bioware created this world, and we, the fans, did not. Therefore, it's their right to do anything they want. It's still a game set in Thedas during the Dragon Age. It's pretty much not our right to try to tell them what to do with their intellectual property.

This.

[crimzontearz]

Dude...



At least do some research before posting



Also, customization is there it was just taken toward the PST direction

[Davasar]

The things that you liked that are being taken out, no matter how small or big, depending on your point of view, you have a right to be unhappy about.

As others justify what Bioware has done, so too can you call them out for dropping the ball.

You will get flamed for not thinking along with the lemmings and not saying "teh most bestust game evar!!111" about DA2, but don't worry about it.

We haven't seen the game yet, but if it's already missing the features you deem integral, then to you and many others, the game has already failed.

And many of those same people who flame you just cant get that through their head.

Modifié par Davasar, 17 novembre 2010 - 08:22 .

[errant_knight]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Sorry, but the Dragon AGE series is about events in a specific time period in Thedas. It's not the Warden Age; it's not the "we're going to stay in Ferelden forever age" or the "we promise to keep everything exactly the same and never change age" either. It said "Origins" in DA:O specifically because it was about multiple people who had the chance to become a Grey Warden.

They wanted to do something different in DA2 and tell another story. Now as far as I know, Bioware created this world, and we, the fans, did not. Therefore, it's their right to do anything they want. It's still a game set in Thedas during the Dragon Age. It's pretty much not our right to try to tell them what to do with their intellectual property.

How does this relate to customization? And do you really think you should be smacking down a brand new forum member because you're annoyed with people like me who HAVE said things against DA2 in other ways? Give the guy a break. 

[Ziggeh]

Davasar wrote...

We haven't seen the game yet, but if it's already missing the features you deem integral, then to you and many others, the game has already failed.

And many of those same people who flame you just cant get that through their head.

Assuming they have actually been taken out.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

But why would they take out half of the party customization? They did it with ME2 and people complained. Why are they making the same mistake again when it's obvious that people do want as many customization options as possible?

[Ziggeh]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But why would they take out half of the party customization? They did it with ME2 and people complained. Why are they making the same mistake again when it's obvious that people do want as many customization options as possible?

I'll have to clear some space on my desk to place my forehead there. Which half of party customisation are you refering to there chief?

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 17 novembre 2010 - 08:33 .

[AtreiyaN7]

errant_knight wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Sorry, but the Dragon AGE series is about events in a specific time period in Thedas. It's not the Warden Age; it's not the "we're going to stay in Ferelden forever age" or the "we promise to keep everything exactly the same and never change age" either. It said "Origins" in DA:O specifically because it was about multiple people who had the chance to become a Grey Warden.

They wanted to do something different in DA2 and tell another story. Now as far as I know, Bioware created this world, and we, the fans, did not. Therefore, it's their right to do anything they want. It's still a game set in Thedas during the Dragon Age. It's pretty much not our right to try to tell them what to do with their intellectual property.

How does this relate to customization? And do you really think you should be smacking down a brand new forum member because you're annoyed with people like me who HAVE said things against DA2 in other ways? Give the guy a break. 

Why did I respond like that? Because the OP said this:

... DAII doesn't seem to offer the same therefore I do not believe it is truly DA the only relation it has to it is the names.

I wouldn't have a quarrel with the game if they hadn't tried to pass it off as Dragon Age.....

Did you not bother to read that? I was addressing that portion of the OP's post. He seems to feel entitled to make some judgment about what qualifies as a Dragon Age game and actually implies that there is no connection between the two games and that the new game is being "passed off as Dragon Age" as he put it - as if it's somehow NOT a legitimate game in the series.

As for the customization issues? That's a matter of personal opinion. Obviously, we can customize our character's appearance, armor, etc. in DA2. Even the companions, although losing the ability to wear individual pieces of armor, still have all the accessories they were able to wear before and can have their custom outfits modified. It should be blatantly obvious that you can still customize things. You don't get origins because there's one protagonist, but it's not as if you can't customize everything. Happy now?

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 novembre 2010 - 09:22 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But why would they take out half of the party customization? They did it with ME2 and people complained. Why are they making the same mistake again when it's obvious that people do want as many customization options as possible?

I'll have to clear some space on my desk to place my forehead there. Which half of party customisation are you refering to there chief?

Being able to outfit my team with weapons and armor of my choosing based on what I would find while out in the field. I could also outfit my team while I was out there. But since the inventory system was deleted, that option had to go as well.

But what is the excuse for DA2? Surely they haven't deleted the inventory system... or have they?

[Nerivant]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
But what is the excuse for DA2? Surely they haven't deleted the inventory system... or have they?

It was in an announcement about two weeks back. They're streamlining it.

[Ziggeh]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Being able to outfit my team with weapons and armor of my choosing based on what I would find while out in the field. I could also outfit my team while I was out there. But since the inventory system was deleted, that option had to go as well.

But what is the excuse for DA2? Surely they haven't deleted the inventory system... or have they?

They haven't.

[Krytheos]

errant_knight wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Sorry, but the Dragon AGE series is about events in a specific time period in Thedas. It's not the Warden Age; it's not the "we're going to stay in Ferelden forever age" or the "we promise to keep everything exactly the same and never change age" either. It said "Origins" in DA:O specifically because it was about multiple people who had the chance to become a Grey Warden.

They wanted to do something different in DA2 and tell another story. Now as far as I know, Bioware created this world, and we, the fans, did not. Therefore, it's their right to do anything they want. It's still a game set in Thedas during the Dragon Age. It's pretty much not our right to try to tell them what to do with their intellectual property.

How does this relate to customization? And do you really think you should be smacking down a brand new forum member because you're annoyed with people like me who HAVE said things against DA2 in other ways? Give the guy a break. 

To correlate directly with customization, the WORLD of Dragon Age is inherently customizable. In DA: O you make choices that wrap, warp, and change the world and 'customize' it to your 'liking' or 'customizer' it to your preferences on events within the game, thus giving off a sense of massive customization of the world, your character, and more. The correlation comes when the OP has in effect, said that the Dragon Age world is not 'Dragon Age' because the 'customizwtion' options not present in it are now gone, perhaps due to erroneous thinking that -all- customization is being stripped -- which is full of blatant lies, as recent leaks become more and more apparent -- or perhaps due to it no longer being the 'Warden's story or whatever other cases as it may be.

Since it is their intellectual property, and the OP did ask for -thoughts- on it, it is reasonable to assume that, while also relating tot he customization, she is also saying that the world is DRAGON AGE not Dragon Game, or what-have-you, in an effort to say that 'just because a few customization options are gone does not mean it ISN'T Dragon Age.'

And therein lies the correlation; Dragon Age. She did not 'smackdown' a new forum goer. She didn't give off any violent, nor raeg off in her post; in essence she is saying that 'people who do not agree with the changes don't exactly have a right to say ';it is not dragon age.' ' because of the changes under-going the game itself. She basically stated, in as calm a voice as any, that just because -you- think it isn't Dragon Age, a world that is quite customizable to your liking, doesn't mean it isn't Dragon Age, especially because of some seemingly-arbitrary aesthetic customization options being taken away, like dressing Leliana in generic-rogue Armor 20000334453, or equipping Sten with generic-heavy-plate-armor 6000449, or no longer choosing your race -- I presume this is a storytelling decision, as well.

So in both due parts, it is a correcting statement directed at the OP to not suddenly decry that it is 'only' Dragon Age in a certain way, even though the game is -all- about the Age, and not the Warden or any other correlation you can dream up of, of what DA2 will or will not be. As for giving him a break; don't expect it anytime soon, I'm afraid.

[EmperorSahlertz]

You can still chose weapons of your companions, and you can customize the stats of their armor with different upgrades. You are only limited in a visual way, since not all the armor upgrades will be visual.

[Krytheos]

Nerivant wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
But what is the excuse for DA2? Surely they haven't deleted the inventory system... or have they?

It was in an announcement about two weeks back. They're streamlining it.

If you call 'streamlining' getting rid of 500 grey iron daggers, and junk loot so worthless the only reasonable thing to do with it is throw it away, sure, it's 'streamlined.'

[Maria Caliban]

Krytheos wrote...

If you call 'streamlining' getting rid of 500 grey iron daggers, and junk loot so worthless the only reasonable thing to do with it is throw it away, sure, it's 'streamlined.'

If you call "recycling" separating the soda cans from your regular trash and putting them in a special bin so the trash man can take them to the lot where they're crushed together and later used to create a different product, sure, the can is "recycled."

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Krytheos wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
But what is the excuse for DA2? Surely they haven't deleted the inventory system... or have they?

It was in an announcement about two weeks back. They're streamlining it.

If you call 'streamlining' getting rid of 500 grey iron daggers, and junk loot so worthless the only reasonable thing to do with it is throw it away, sure, it's 'streamlined.'

I don't have any problems with that. But what I do have a problem with is not being able to outfit MY team. I don't care if it's Mass Effect or Dragon Age, it's still my team and last I checked, both of those games were still labeled as RPG's.

There is a fundamental difference between deleting something that was already worthless (the 500 grey iron daggers) and something that is truly fundamental to RPG's (the inventory system/party customization).

The very idea of taking useful features away in a sequel is just... dumb. Bioware even expressed regret over deleting the inventory system in Mass Effect 2 not too long ago, and yet, they seem to have forgotten that inventory management is directly linked to outfitting your party. So, now with DA 2, we still have inventory but the party customization has been deleted. Ummm.... why?

[Nerivant]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Krytheos wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
But what is the excuse for DA2? Surely they haven't deleted the inventory system... or have they?

It was in an announcement about two weeks back. They're streamlining it.

If you call 'streamlining' getting rid of 500 grey iron daggers, and junk loot so worthless the only reasonable thing to do with it is throw it away, sure, it's 'streamlined.'

I don't have any problems with that. But what I do have a problem with is not being able to outfit MY team. I don't care if it's Mass Effect or Dragon Age, it's still my team and last I checked, both of those games were still labeled as RPG's.

There is a fundamental difference between deleting something that was already worthless (the 500 grey iron daggers) and something that is truly fundamental to RPG's (the inventory system/party customization).

The very idea of taking useful features away in a sequel is just... dumb. Bioware even expressed regret over deleting the inventory system in Mass Effect 2 not too long ago, and yet, they seem to have forgotten that inventory management is directly linked to outfitting your party. So, now with DA 2, we still have inventory but the party customization has been deleted. Ummm.... why?

Useful when compared to what? 

[The Masked Rog]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Krytheos wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
But what is the excuse for DA2? Surely they haven't deleted the inventory system... or have they?

It was in an announcement about two weeks back. They're streamlining it.

If you call 'streamlining' getting rid of 500 grey iron daggers, and junk loot so worthless the only reasonable thing to do with it is throw it away, sure, it's 'streamlined.'

I don't have any problems with that. But what I do have a problem with is not being able to outfit MY team. I don't care if it's Mass Effect or Dragon Age, it's still my team and last I checked, both of those games were still labeled as RPG's.

There is a fundamental difference between deleting something that was already worthless (the 500 grey iron daggers) and something that is truly fundamental to RPG's (the inventory system/party customization).

The very idea of taking useful features away in a sequel is just... dumb. Bioware even expressed regret over deleting the inventory system in Mass Effect 2 not too long ago, and yet, they seem to have forgotten that inventory management is directly linked to outfitting your party. So, now with DA 2, we still have inventory but the party customization has been deleted. Ummm.... why?

Because this is an RPG and as such characters have a personality and don't let their leader dictate how they dress?

[Shepard Lives]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Because this is an RPG and as such characters have a personality and don't let their leader dictate how they dress?

Very much this. It was pretty irritating in DAO that I could send Morrigan into combat wearing a Chantry robe.
If they hadn't said that outfits will be largely static from a visual standpoint, I would be fully supporting the new system.

[nisallik]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Because this is an RPG and as such characters have a personality and don't let their leader dictate how they dress?

^^^ This.