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[crimzontearz]

lol no sidetracking Juneya

[Maria Caliban]

crimzontearz wrote...

if we want to  argue in that direction then Grunt  picked my Shepard as his Battlematser to serve under him (please no Kaiden jokes). Jacob and Miranda both say at the very berginning of the game that they WILL follow Shepard's orders indeed even when miranda thinks something is a stupid idea (waking grunt up....activating legion....sending Vitor back with the flotilla) Shepard can overrule her authority. Are you telling me that if Shepard said "Miranda, start wearing proper armor...this is an order" she would actually mutiny?

Miranda is a Cerberus officer. She's wearing an officer's uniform. No, I don't believe that the Commander has the authority to tell Miranda not to wear her uniform.

Waking up Grunt is not the same as telling Miranda to change her clothing, even if it's a decision that Miranda disagrees with.

Now, I do wish that the uniforms Jacob and Miranda wore were more practical.

Juneya wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

...wait a sec.


Is that a templar?! The armor shape is the same, you can see the sword and the flames behind her hands, same basic shape, and the design on the hood is strikingly similair to the design on the bottom of the templar robes...


OMG I think it is!!! 

It would be awesome if that were the current Divine.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:59 .

[Bootsykk]

crimzontearz wrote...

Juneya wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Wearing plate does not imped your combat style! If you must have not armor on the rest of you (for whatever ridiculous reason) a metal breastplate is advisable & does not do anything untoward your movement.

Oy. Let me help you understand something. For this demonstration, I will use Isabella.

Isabella: Do you have any clue how heavy plate armor is? How do you expect me to sneak up on an enemy if I'm lumbering around in plate? And how do you expect my balance not to be thrown off by a sudden twenty pound weight on my chest? Maybe you've never tried it before, but even just a chainmail shirt is ridiculously heavy. You want me to wear that armor? Screw off, Hawke. I won't. What are you going to do about it?


In other words, this conversation of what should be included and what shouldn't is assuming that your companions are mindless drones that will derobe and suit up on your command. I fail to see how that is the more logical choice.


EDIT: Also, if you're using ME2 as a subject to complain about, keep in mind that you're talking about a universe in which vehicles travel faster than light, there is a such thing as element zero, and an intelligent machine race that is having a rave on Isaac Newton's coffin.

LOL sure plate armor is obviously the ONLY armor available in the game right?


also, read the ME1 codex, there is a reason why people wear ablative plating ceramic armor....I'm not about to argue about it

No. There is also leather armor. There is cloth armor. There is mail armor. Once again:

Isabella: Hawke, chainmail is actually quite heavy, and makes a hell of a lot of noise when I move.
Hawke, I don't need a new dress. But thanks for offering.
Hawke, I'm not all that interested in wearing leather armor. Why they hell do you keep pushing this? You deal with your own problems on the battlefield, I can handle myself fine, thanks.

I also don't understand what you're talking about with ablative plating ceramic armor. I was saying that skintight armor is perfectly plausible in the realm of Mass Effect, where the prothean technology that has been uncovered shatters the laws of physics.

[Bootsykk]

crimzontearz wrote...

lol no sidetracking Juneya

You are a fishmonger!

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But the difference being I can change Morrigan's unique appearance at will, where as in DAII I cannot.

I assume you're replying to me? If so, how does that relate to my approval of unique outfits?

Just saying I prefer the freedom of choice. Do you?

[crimzontearz]

Juneya wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Juneya wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Wearing plate does not imped your combat style! If you must have not armor on the rest of you (for whatever ridiculous reason) a metal breastplate is advisable & does not do anything untoward your movement.

Oy. Let me help you understand something. For this demonstration, I will use Isabella.

Isabella: Do you have any clue how heavy plate armor is? How do you expect me to sneak up on an enemy if I'm lumbering around in plate? And how do you expect my balance not to be thrown off by a sudden twenty pound weight on my chest? Maybe you've never tried it before, but even just a chainmail shirt is ridiculously heavy. You want me to wear that armor? Screw off, Hawke. I won't. What are you going to do about it?


In other words, this conversation of what should be included and what shouldn't is assuming that your companions are mindless drones that will derobe and suit up on your command. I fail to see how that is the more logical choice.


EDIT: Also, if you're using ME2 as a subject to complain about, keep in mind that you're talking about a universe in which vehicles travel faster than light, there is a such thing as element zero, and an intelligent machine race that is having a rave on Isaac Newton's coffin.

LOL sure plate armor is obviously the ONLY armor available in the game right?


also, read the ME1 codex, there is a reason why people wear ablative plating ceramic armor....I'm not about to argue about it

No. There is also leather armor. There is cloth armor. There is mail armor. Once again:

Isabella: Hawke, chainmail is actually quite heavy, and makes a hell of a lot of noise when I move.
Hawke, I don't need a new dress. But thanks for offering.
Hawke, I'm not all that interested in wearing leather armor. Why they hell do you keep pushing this? You deal with your own problems on the battlefield, I can handle myself fine, thanks.

I also don't understand what you're talking about with ablative plating ceramic armor. I was saying that skintight armor is perfectly plausible in the realm of Mass Effect, where the prothean technology that has been uncovered shatters the laws of physics.

because miranda OBVIOUSLY is not wearing any armor if you have seen her love scene.....that's just bloody CLOTH if she was wearing something like Liara in LOTSB no one would complain

as for Isabella, her being obtuse and walking into battle with no armor at all because someone WROTE her that way does not make it a sensible decision, just a poorly justified one 

[EpicBoot2daFace]

If armor is no longer required, why do they force Shepard to wear armor outside the Normandy? This never made sense to me.

[Krytheos]

Juneya wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Juneya wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Wearing plate does not imped your combat style! If you must have not armor on the rest of you (for whatever ridiculous reason) a metal breastplate is advisable & does not do anything untoward your movement.

Oy. Let me help you understand something. For this demonstration, I will use Isabella.

Isabella: Do you have any clue how heavy plate armor is? How do you expect me to sneak up on an enemy if I'm lumbering around in plate? And how do you expect my balance not to be thrown off by a sudden twenty pound weight on my chest? Maybe you've never tried it before, but even just a chainmail shirt is ridiculously heavy. You want me to wear that armor? Screw off, Hawke. I won't. What are you going to do about it?


In other words, this conversation of what should be included and what shouldn't is assuming that your companions are mindless drones that will derobe and suit up on your command. I fail to see how that is the more logical choice.


EDIT: Also, if you're using ME2 as a subject to complain about, keep in mind that you're talking about a universe in which vehicles travel faster than light, there is a such thing as element zero, and an intelligent machine race that is having a rave on Isaac Newton's coffin.

LOL sure plate armor is obviously the ONLY armor available in the game right?


also, read the ME1 codex, there is a reason why people wear ablative plating ceramic armor....I'm not about to argue about it

No. There is also leather armor. There is cloth armor. There is mail armor. Once again:

Isabella: Hawke, chainmail is actually quite heavy, and makes a hell of a lot of noise when I move.
Hawke, I don't need a new dress. But thanks for offering.
Hawke, I'm not all that interested in wearing leather armor. Why they hell do you keep pushing this? You deal with your own problems on the battlefield, I can handle myself fine, thanks.

I also don't understand what you're talking about with ablative plating ceramic armor. I was saying that skintight armor is perfectly plausible in the realm of Mass Effect, where the prothean technology that has been uncovered shatters the laws of physics.

Ablative ceramic armor works for the ME universe due in a lot of parts to the logics of it in the universe itself, as well as the character wearing it.

Now, if you really want to argue semantics, I can happily do a comparison. I'll use, conversley, Zevran as an example..@ crimzon tearz.

Zevran: I see it is your wish to have me wear this pair of full Chainmail? Tsk, tsk. Well, before I adorn this armor, I must make you aware of something specific; well, you see, full chainmail can weight anywhere from 35 pounds to 60 pounds, give or take a little. That hampers my speed and flexibility, you see? By putting it on, I will be unable to properly sneak up to attack my enemies when they least expect, which also puts a bit of a..damper on my combat expertise. You do see where I am going with this, yes? Good, good. Well, let me explain a little more; since it also weights much heavier than, say, this nice pair of leather armor, it lessens my ability to 'run' towards an enemy, say one that is attacking you, due to the added weight I have to compensate for while maneuvering into attack.

My recommendation is simply letting me use leather armor; it is the most comfortable, and I can move around the easiest in it. You agree? Good! See, I knew we could come to a thrilling compromise, Warden!


Now for the Platemail comparison..

Zevran: Tsk, tsk, Warden. Didn't we have this talk before? Ah, but not about plate-mail. Well, you see, it is much as the same principale* as chainmail; not only does is it heavier, however, and weigh -much- more, it hampers my ability in combat and more-or-less makes any chance of me sneaking in combat, well...null and void. Hm..here's an analogy I came up with on the spot, in fact; now, let us say that a genlock wishes to sneak upon our party, yes? To do so in the best way would be to wear leather, or lightly covering armor that sacrifices protection for mobility, movement, maneuvering, and isn't as noisy. He succeeds in sneaking up on our party, but is swiftly met by a blade between his collar bones. My blade, in fact. He never stood a chance. 


Where was I? Oh yes; well offering up another side, let us say that a second genlock wishes to do the same; however, instead of doing the smart thing -- well as smart as any genlock could be, really -- he uses a set of plate-mail. This time, when he tries to sneak upon us, we all hear him from a mile away. Needless to say, he doesn't live nearly as long as his buddy. Now do you understand, Warden? Plate-mail nor Chainmail are good choices for an assassin such as myself. Howeve,r if you would like to discuss this further, we can always do so in my tent..no? Ah well, perhaps next time!

Without taking into account MASSIVE or COLOSSAL armor weights into this, plate-mail and chain-mail, even just breastplates, -will weight a lot.- It depends on the material -- tempered steel for full-plate is around 45-50 something pounds, but that's with tempered steel. Above that, it surpasses full chainmail in weight. No contest.

Now then, if a character has a specific fighting style unique to them -- Swashbuckler for Isabella, Assassin for Zevran, etc. -- fighting in something that -hampers- what they are used to -- in both cases, Speed and maneuverability, not to mention weight and sneakyness -- makes their fighting styles much less useful than if they were in the clothes they are much more comfortable in-or can maneuver in better.

Would it be stupid for a warrior to go into battle only wearing refugee clothes? Definitely, but I doubt we'll see that happening anytime soon. As long as it's practical and shifts between hostile/combatant areas heavily armed with enemies, or makes sense for the characters fighting style/the way they work the best, then it just works.

Also, just to note: traditionally, Swashbucklers only wore cloth and weapons of choice were daggers/cutlesses.  Maximum movement speed, sacrifice protection in favor of dealing out the damage in waves, depending on the situations. Pirates are a different story altogether, though.

*I don't know if this is the correct spelling of Principale. If not, please do correct me on this. xD

[Maria Caliban]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But the difference being I can change Morrigan's unique appearance at will, where as in DAII I cannot.

I assume you're replying to me? If so, how does that relate to my approval of unique outfits?

Just saying I prefer the freedom of choice. Do you?

If you quote people, you should at least make an effort to reply to what they said instead of simply using it as a springboard to another topic.

Also, freedom killed my dog. I take it you're an advocate of murdering people's pets.

[Crimson Invictus]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Just saying I prefer the freedom of choice. Do you?

You seem to be suggesting I might have somehow missed the fact I can't place any armour I feel like on a companion. I had taken that into account and I am quite happy to sacrifice that for unique designs of a higher quality.

Modifié par Liana Nighthawk, 18 novembre 2010 - 12:43 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Maria Caliban wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But the difference being I can change Morrigan's unique appearance at will, where as in DAII I cannot.

I assume you're replying to me? If so, how does that relate to my approval of unique outfits?

Just saying I prefer the freedom of choice. Do you?

If you quote people, you should at least make an effort to reply to what they said instead of simply using it as a springboard to another topic.

Also, freedom killed my dog. I take it you're an advocate of murdering people's pets.

Sometimes.

[Bootsykk]

crimzontearz wrote...

Juneya wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Juneya wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Wearing plate does not imped your combat style! If you must have not armor on the rest of you (for whatever ridiculous reason) a metal breastplate is advisable & does not do anything untoward your movement.

Oy. Let me help you understand something. For this demonstration, I will use Isabella.

Isabella: Do you have any clue how heavy plate armor is? How do you expect me to sneak up on an enemy if I'm lumbering around in plate? And how do you expect my balance not to be thrown off by a sudden twenty pound weight on my chest? Maybe you've never tried it before, but even just a chainmail shirt is ridiculously heavy. You want me to wear that armor? Screw off, Hawke. I won't. What are you going to do about it?


In other words, this conversation of what should be included and what shouldn't is assuming that your companions are mindless drones that will derobe and suit up on your command. I fail to see how that is the more logical choice.


EDIT: Also, if you're using ME2 as a subject to complain about, keep in mind that you're talking about a universe in which vehicles travel faster than light, there is a such thing as element zero, and an intelligent machine race that is having a rave on Isaac Newton's coffin.

LOL sure plate armor is obviously the ONLY armor available in the game right?


also, read the ME1 codex, there is a reason why people wear ablative plating ceramic armor....I'm not about to argue about it

No. There is also leather armor. There is cloth armor. There is mail armor. Once again:

Isabella: Hawke, chainmail is actually quite heavy, and makes a hell of a lot of noise when I move.
Hawke, I don't need a new dress. But thanks for offering.
Hawke, I'm not all that interested in wearing leather armor. Why they hell do you keep pushing this? You deal with your own problems on the battlefield, I can handle myself fine, thanks.

I also don't understand what you're talking about with ablative plating ceramic armor. I was saying that skintight armor is perfectly plausible in the realm of Mass Effect, where the prothean technology that has been uncovered shatters the laws of physics.

because miranda OBVIOUSLY is not wearing any armor if you have seen her love scene.....that's just bloody CLOTH if she was wearing something like Liara in LOTSB no one would complain

as for Isabella, her being obtuse and walking into battle with no armor at all because someone WROTE her that way does not make it a sensible decision, just a poorly justified one 

...I think you're missing the point... the jumpsuit she's wearing may very well BE her armor. Who says it has to look like armor? For all we know, it could be a synthetic thermal suit that uses trace amounts of eezo to neutralize the force from bullets and biotic attacks. I think it can be armor just as well as little panels of light that make up the sentinel's "shield".

And you got that backwards. Just because someone wrote her that way makes it a perfectly justified decision, though not neccessarily a sensible one, in retrospect to the character.

[crimzontearz]

only it's not....because then every soldier above all those from very well equipped groups like the Blue Suns who squat on entire planets would have that kind or armor........and they don't...hell SPECTRES don't



you are climbing mirrors

[crimzontearz]

Krytheos wrote...

Juneya wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Juneya wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Wearing plate does not imped your combat style! If you must have not armor on the rest of you (for whatever ridiculous reason) a metal breastplate is advisable & does not do anything untoward your movement.

Oy. Let me help you understand something. For this demonstration, I will use Isabella.

Isabella: Do you have any clue how heavy plate armor is? How do you expect me to sneak up on an enemy if I'm lumbering around in plate? And how do you expect my balance not to be thrown off by a sudden twenty pound weight on my chest? Maybe you've never tried it before, but even just a chainmail shirt is ridiculously heavy. You want me to wear that armor? Screw off, Hawke. I won't. What are you going to do about it?


In other words, this conversation of what should be included and what shouldn't is assuming that your companions are mindless drones that will derobe and suit up on your command. I fail to see how that is the more logical choice.


EDIT: Also, if you're using ME2 as a subject to complain about, keep in mind that you're talking about a universe in which vehicles travel faster than light, there is a such thing as element zero, and an intelligent machine race that is having a rave on Isaac Newton's coffin.

LOL sure plate armor is obviously the ONLY armor available in the game right?


also, read the ME1 codex, there is a reason why people wear ablative plating ceramic armor....I'm not about to argue about it

No. There is also leather armor. There is cloth armor. There is mail armor. Once again:

Isabella: Hawke, chainmail is actually quite heavy, and makes a hell of a lot of noise when I move.
Hawke, I don't need a new dress. But thanks for offering.
Hawke, I'm not all that interested in wearing leather armor. Why they hell do you keep pushing this? You deal with your own problems on the battlefield, I can handle myself fine, thanks.

I also don't understand what you're talking about with ablative plating ceramic armor. I was saying that skintight armor is perfectly plausible in the realm of Mass Effect, where the prothean technology that has been uncovered shatters the laws of physics.

Ablative ceramic armor works for the ME universe due in a lot of parts to the logics of it in the universe itself, as well as the character wearing it.

Now, if you really want to argue semantics, I can happily do a comparison. I'll use, conversley, Zevran as an example..@ crimzon tearz.

Zevran: I see it is your wish to have me wear this pair of full Chainmail? Tsk, tsk. Well, before I adorn this armor, I must make you aware of something specific; well, you see, full chainmail can weight anywhere from 35 pounds to 60 pounds, give or take a little. That hampers my speed and flexibility, you see? By putting it on, I will be unable to properly sneak up to attack my enemies when they least expect, which also puts a bit of a..damper on my combat expertise. You do see where I am going with this, yes? Good, good. Well, let me explain a little more; since it also weights much heavier than, say, this nice pair of leather armor, it lessens my ability to 'run' towards an enemy, say one that is attacking you, due to the added weight I have to compensate for while maneuvering into attack.

My recommendation is simply letting me use leather armor; it is the most comfortable, and I can move around the easiest in it. You agree? Good! See, I knew we could come to a thrilling compromise, Warden!


Now for the Platemail comparison..

Zevran: Tsk, tsk, Warden. Didn't we have this talk before? Ah, but not about plate-mail. Well, you see, it is much as the same principale* as chainmail; not only does is it heavier, however, and weigh -much- more, it hampers my ability in combat and more-or-less makes any chance of me sneaking in combat, well...null and void. Hm..here's an analogy I came up with on the spot, in fact; now, let us say that a genlock wishes to sneak upon our party, yes? To do so in the best way would be to wear leather, or lightly covering armor that sacrifices protection for mobility, movement, maneuvering, and isn't as noisy. He succeeds in sneaking up on our party, but is swiftly met by a blade between his collar bones. My blade, in fact. He never stood a chance. 


Where was I? Oh yes; well offering up another side, let us say that a second genlock wishes to do the same; however, instead of doing the smart thing -- well as smart as any genlock could be, really -- he uses a set of plate-mail. This time, when he tries to sneak upon us, we all hear him from a mile away. Needless to say, he doesn't live nearly as long as his buddy. Now do you understand, Warden? Plate-mail nor Chainmail are good choices for an assassin such as myself. Howeve,r if you would like to discuss this further, we can always do so in my tent..no? Ah well, perhaps next time!

Without taking into account MASSIVE or COLOSSAL armor weights into this, plate-mail and chain-mail, even just breastplates, -will weight a lot.- It depends on the material -- tempered steel for full-plate is around 45-50 something pounds, but that's with tempered steel. Above that, it surpasses full chainmail in weight. No contest.

Now then, if a character has a specific fighting style unique to them -- Swashbuckler for Isabella, Assassin for Zevran, etc. -- fighting in something that -hampers- what they are used to -- in both cases, Speed and maneuverability, not to mention weight and sneakyness -- makes their fighting styles much less useful than if they were in the clothes they are much more comfortable in-or can maneuver in better.

Would it be stupid for a warrior to go into battle only wearing refugee clothes? Definitely, but I doubt we'll see that happening anytime soon. As long as it's practical and shifts between hostile/combatant areas heavily armed with enemies, or makes sense for the characters fighting style/the way they work the best, then it just works.

Also, just to note: traditionally, Swashbucklers only wore cloth and weapons of choice were daggers/cutlesses.  Maximum movement speed, sacrifice protection in favor of dealing out the damage in waves, depending on the situations. Pirates are a different story altogether, though.

*I don't know if this is the correct spelling of Principale. If not, please do correct me on this. xD

you are ENTIRELY missing the point that I am OK with static appearance IF itis practical and makes sense

if Isabella was wearing a modicum of leather armor I seriously doubt anyone would be complaining

[Maria Caliban]

crimzontearz wrote...

you are climbing mirrors

I am not familiar with this saying.

Juneya wrote...

...I think you're missing the point... the jumpsuit she's wearing may very well BE her armor. Who says it has to look like armor? For all we know, it could be a synthetic thermal suit that uses trace amounts of eezo to neutralize the force from bullets and biotic attacks. I think it can be armor just as well as little panels of light that make up the sentinel's "shield".

And you got that backwards. Just because someone wrote her that way makes it a perfectly justified decision, though not neccessarily a sensible one, in retrospect to the character.

I'm going to disagree. We know what light armor looks like in the Mass Effect universe. We know because we see it on the Commander, Liara, and hundreds of biotics that we fight during the game.

I understand Jack running into battle half-naked because she's insane. I might be able to buy that asari Justicars, unlike regular asari, have a tradition of wearing skin tight strawberry suits with a plunging neckline.

Miranda though? I think it's very obvious that she'd wear something a bit more practical in battle. BioWare was not expressing Miranda's character, but expressing her role as sexy love interest.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 18 novembre 2010 - 01:16 .

[Ziggeh]

Maria Caliban wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

you are climbing mirrors

I am not familiar with this saying.

I had to look it up!

"clutching at straws" is a close approximation apparently

[Krytheos]

you are ENTIRELY missing the point that I am OK with static appearance IF itis practical and makes sense

if Isabella was wearing a modicum of leather armor I seriously doubt anyone would be complaining

Incorrect. Isabela is wearing what -is- practical for her. I was addressing, if a bit subtle, the strengths and weaknesses of a certain type of characters fighting style. Zevran works best in Leather armor because assassins do need forms of protection, while also being able to keep on their feet and such. This is true.

Isabela is Duelist, a Swashbuckler. Swashbuklers don't wear armor at -all-. They wear cloth, not because of protection, but because it allows them maximum movement, and speed. Duelists are the same way; they specialize in -not getting hit.- You cannot achieve that maximum possibility with armor, even leather armor on, because it will still -weigh- more than a traditional piece of clothing.

Breaking it down, a full piece of leather armor could weigh anywhere from 4 pounds to 15 pounds. Extra pounds added onto your own weight that can and will impact movement speed, and Swashbucklers DO NOT want any hampering of movement speed/maneuvering. She is also a duelist; this makes her much more keen on not getting hit. Cloth in this sense, makes the most sense. Sure, she has no protection, reasonably from blades, but the key here is this:

She doesn't want to get hit AT ALL. If you don't want to get hit at all, you wear cloth. You don't wear armor, because it -will- significantly increase the chances of being hit. Clothing allows you much more movement and maneuvering, as it weights, at a maximum, of about 1-3 pounds, at the most. It is entirely 'weightless' compared to a suit of leather armor, which could, theoretically, weight anywhere from 5-15 pounds or more. See where I'm going with this?

Isabela doesn't want to get hit period. Wearing armor is more likely to get her hit.

Getting hit == Wearing armor. Everyone who wears armor, light, medium, or heavy, will get hit more often than one who does not wear armor. Does this mean they will never get hit? No. It means they'll get hit far less often, more than likely.

Maximum movement speed =/= wearing armor.
Maximum manueverability =/=wearing armor.
Wearing no armor == Maximum movement speed, and maneuverability, which is KEY for Duelists and Swashbucklers. They move around and maneuver a -lot.- See those moves she does in the trailer? With leather armor on, she wouldn't be able to do those fancy moves as often, without being fatigued from the exertion afterwords.

Therefore, maximum maneuverability for a Swashbuckler means sacrificing protection for more maneuvers without having too much for a lot of weight. This is the way of the Swashbuckler. If we were talking about Carver, I would say he needs some damn armor, since he is a warrior. But this is Isabela; she is a Swashbuckler, and if you really want to stretch it, a 'pirate.'

You know what pirates wore? Cloth. Because they could afford cloth. If they could afford a breastplate, sure they wore it. Why doesn't Isabela, you ask? 

She focuses more on swordfighting, evasive maneuvers, killing the enemy before it can hit/kill you, etc. Which means sacrifing protection for damage and movement, dancing around the enemy so they can't hit you but you can hit them. Etc.

The list goes on. For Isabela, it is -extremely- practical- because she's a Swashbuckler. Google Swashbucklers, sometime. It can help immensely.

[Ceridwen]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Juneya wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

...wait a sec.


Is that a templar?! The armor shape is the same, you can see the sword and the flames behind her hands, same basic shape, and the design on the hood is strikingly similair to the design on the bottom of the templar robes...


OMG I think it is!!! 

It would be awesome if that were the current Divine.

She looks like she's about to lay the smack down on an apostate. As in, "Ser mage, stick your staff back in its cosy or I will have to make you lick dust."

[Davasar]

Krytheos wrote...


You know what pirates wore? Cloth. Because they could afford cloth. If they could afford a breastplate, sure they wore it. Why doesn't Isabela, you ask?

Actually, pirates from most eras wore no armor not because they wanted little to no protection, but because armor is hard to SWIM in.  

Additionally, in the later eras of what most people associate with pirates, advancement of firearms made armor obsolete.

[Maria Caliban]

They usually strapped a breastplate on before combat, actually. And no, a breastplate doesn't hamper maneuverability.

[Krytheos]

Davasar wrote...

Krytheos wrote...


You know what pirates wore? Cloth. Because they could afford cloth. If they could afford a breastplate, sure they wore it. Why doesn't Isabela, you ask?

Actually, pirates from most eras wore no armor not because they wanted little to no protection, but because armor is hard to SWIM in.  

Additionally, in the later eras of what most people associate with pirates, advancement of firearms made armor obsolete.

To be precise, pirates wore cloth because they could afford it, as well as swimming. However, they weren't always adverse to strapping on a piece of breastplate in case they were about to board a ship and do some real hard-core battling. It depends on the pirate of course -- as most didn't buy armor because, A: Swimming in it, as you said, was hard, and B: It was too expensive for the time. As for the rest of the statement, this is all true.

Edit: Ninja'd by Maria.

Modifié par Krytheos, 18 novembre 2010 - 01:46 .

[Josielyn]

Ok, fine, "let them wear cloth". But I prefer to pick the color, and I still prefer headgear separate from the armor. Just please keep some kind of visual variety. It is only logical that they can't equip certain types of armor because they lack the stats (like in Origins), but I still prefer visual variety for the armor that they CAN equip. Again, I loved playing "dress up" in Origins. It was also a challenge learning which armor fit each companion best and then going to find more and better versions of that armor while adventuring, fighting and looting.

[Toast of Fury]

I'm going to admit that I've only skimmed this topic, but the issue of having to tell your party what to wear existed in a (stay with me here) JRPG. In Persona 3 you had to go to each party member individually and hand them the gear you wanted them to wear. It was obnoxious and pretty pointless outside of the immersion factor, so they took it out in Persona 4. Just because something makes for better roleplay options doesn't mean it makes for a better game.

[Aermas]

 Most sailors COULD NOT SWIM! So wearing armor or not based on swimming is irrelevant. & others have already pointed out about dex fighters wearing breastplates. I'm not saying Isabela needs to be in a complete set of plate, but to wear a breastplate & some leather would be acceptable. I never said anyone should wear chain. It's the worst armor you can wear. But it's the cheapest.I posted some pics of what she should wear.
http://maskworld.sce...lack?$fullsize$

[ErichHartmann]

Josielyn wrote...

Ok, fine, "let them wear cloth". But I prefer to pick the color, and I still prefer headgear separate from the armor. Just please keep some kind of visual variety. It is only logical that they can't equip certain types of armor because they lack the stats (like in Origins), but I still prefer visual variety for the armor that they CAN equip. Again, I loved playing "dress up" in Origins. It was also a challenge learning which armor fit each companion best and then going to find more and better versions of that armor while adventuring, fighting and looting.

I wish every RPG allowed us to dye armor or pick colors on a slider like Mass Effect 2.  Yes, I should be able to run around with neon green leather armor in Dragon Age.   My  other problem with Origins is most armor looked the same, especially leather.  But it's well documented so not going to dwell on it. 

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 18 novembre 2010 - 02:06 .