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[Dave of Canada]

Found here. Nothing new but it seems the writer knows the PC gamers will read it and cry fowl and tries to explain.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:37 .

[John Epler]

Since it's a little unclear - you can still pull the camera back and then adjust the yaw, which would allow for a fairly-close-to top-down camera perspective. You aren't stuck with varying degrees of over-the-shoulder.

[John Epler]

Continue with the PC elitism at your own risk.



Enjoying games (that's right, they are games, we are not talking about microsurgery) on one platform versus another does not mark you as being of superior intellect and/or taste.



If you want to continue to pretend that it does, you won't be doing it on these forums. I'm tired of this elitist garbage.

[Mike Laidlaw]

Brockololly wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Since it's a little unclear - you can still pull the camera back and then adjust the yaw, which would allow for a fairly-close-to top-down camera perspective. You aren't stuck with varying degrees of over-the-shoulder.

But can you detach the camera or are you stuck on one character? Can you freely rotate the camera all around?

Hey folks.

Thought I would slide in here to clarify this last query:

The camera is attached to your currently controlled character. It may be rotated freely.

[John Epler]

eyesofastorm wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Continue with the PC elitism at your own risk.

Enjoying games (that's right, they are games, we are not talking about microsurgery) on one platform versus another does not mark you as being of superior intellect and/or taste.

If you want to continue to pretend that it does, you won't be doing it on these forums. I'm tired of this elitist garbage.

Seriously... wouldn't it be just so much easier for you guys and the new fan base if all your old fans would just... go away!  I mean dang!

I'd say this is a gross misrepresentation of my post, which comes down, more or less, to not saying things such as claiming that anyone with an IQ over 100 prefers the PC.

For what it's worth, I'm primarily a PC gamer, but I certainly don't imagine it makes me a better person than the guy who sits next to me who's primarily a console gamer. And if people want to continue down this road, I'd rather they not post at all. Constructive debate and discussion is fine. Suggesting that the PC retain some features over the console version because a PC has certain advantages over the console in regards to particular features is fine.

Suggesting that anyone who prefers a PC is automatically some sort of gaming ubermensch is not fine. 

[John Epler]

Khayness wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Continue with the PC elitism at your own risk.

Burn the PC Elitist!

And if at any point in that article, someone had said 'oh, and the other reason we're supporting the PC as a gaming platform is because people who play console games are all below 100 IQ' then you might have a point.

As I've mentioned - I personally prefer the PC. My favourite games are almost all either PC-exclusive or have PC as the lead platform.

That doesn't mean, however, that I think people who enjoy console games are any dumber.

But I've ventured down this path enough, and I really have no interest in defending my... desire for people to be respectful? I guess that's what I'm being called out on?

[John Epler]

Let me make something clear (because, apparently, it needs to be brought up again).



I don't care what side of the debate you're on. Respect the other side. I made this point yesterday because I felt the PC elitism was getting out of control - but on the flip side, that isn't carte blanche for people who are not PC gamers to pop on and start railing against the PC and the people who play it as being elitist. Just as playing on one platform or the other does not automatically make you more or less intelligent, it also does not automatically make you more or less of an elitist.



I'm going to start handing out warnings and bans if this continues. Come on, folks. I know you can discuss without resorting to personal attacks.



And if you have a problem with what another poster is saying, let a moderator know. None of us are ever-vigilant, ever-watching the forums. We have other jobs we need to do. We have lives. We can't catch every single thing that pops up. But if I see an e-mail message that tells me I have a new PM on the forums, I will check it. If it's someone being disrespectful, I will deal with it.



Don't get drawn into arguments and then rail about how there's a double standard and we're favouring one side. I favour the side that actually lets me know when something's up, because I simply don't have the time to be on these boards 24/7.

[John Epler]

Whole lot of warnings and bans handed out.



Keep up the platform wars (fought from either side) at your own risk.



Now if you'll excuse me, I have a game to make!

[John Epler]

Olivier_dehFanboy wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I have nothing against the console version of DA2 being better than the console version of Origins. Thats fantastic. I have a problem when the PC version of DA2 seems to getting neutered  and given the "eh, good enough" treatment.

For an analogy, say you have a fully furnished, yet small apartment. You're happy, its fully furnished and decked out. But then you decide to move to a larger house. Well you take all that furniture with you, but you know what? The furniture that fully took advantage of the space in your small apartment no longer fully takes up your new home! Thats what happens when you develop with consoles first and move to the PC- unless you "buy more furniture to fill up you new home" you're left with something that may be functional, but it sure as hell isn't making the most of things. And I haven't seen or read anything on how DA2 on PC will be better suited for the platform than Origins, only how things are being scaled back to put it on parity with the consoles.

even if I'm all for the console oriented changes that bioware have been showing lately...I think every one can sympathize with this... whether you are on consoles or on PC. if only all pc gamers can express themselves this way, minus the bitterness.

Quite so. While I don't necessarily agree with all of Brockolollly's points, that was an excellent and insightful post. Go to my stable, Brockololly! Take my finest steed! He is yours.

[John Epler]

There is no right way or wrong way to play our games (well, playing them while surfing down an erupting volcano may qualify as 'wrong'), just as there is no right or wrong reason for playing our games.



Everyone comes to them for a different reason. Let's not suggest that someone's doing so for the wrong reason.