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[Wonderllama4]

Screw you guys. I really hope they add guns in Dragon Age 2.

[Elite Midget]

Only if I get to wear a fancy hat, a badass coat, and can claim that what I do is in the name of the EMPRAH!

[AtreiyaN7]

scyphozoa wrote...

Wonderllama4 wrote...

Screw you guys. I really hope they add guns in Dragon Age 2.

Only gun-swords or Chainsaw-guns are acceptable in Thedas. 

We'd definitely need a character *cough* Ash *cough* voiced by Bruce Campbell then - pure chainsaw for him though.

[KalDurenik]

scyphozoa wrote...

KalDurenik wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

Ever listen to people on Xbox live? They are dumb. Ever listen to people on Playstation network? They are dumb. Ever listen to people on Steam? They are dumb.

Dumb people are everywhere, please don't think its platform exclusive.

Yeah but in my eyes when i say "dumb it down" i mean in the way of tech, gameplay due to the limitations of a console in general (they are limited). Im not saying console people are stupid or anything. Just look into pvp at wow... Everytime i pvp there i think my IQ drop over how bad and idiotic people are.

And that is fair. I would point to DAO as a good example of how having fewer features or a more streamlined game does not make it a bad console version. DAO was an excellent PC game, and while many options were removed or reduced from the console version, it didn't make it a bad game. The console version was designed under different parameters and tailored to the console. I actually am very impressed with how well tailored DAO is to the xbox (I just recently got it). If having that multitude of options on the PC is what you want, I do think it will still be offered on the PC. However, I don't think the console version will suffer for having fewer options. DAO didn't, imo. 

What i want would take quiet a while to write ... In short:
After playing DAO i was like "i hope Bioware take the "right" path"
Instead they went to the left

But yeah the game will sell... I will probably buy it.

[Irx]

Consolized and dumbed down... oh well, these are synonyms anyway.



IQ check successfull -> pre-order cancelled.

[Estel78]

bussinrounds wrote...

Why are ppl complaining so much about it being an action game, if we can still play it tactically then ?

First sensible thing you posted on this thread. The answer is, people love to complain.

[Estel78]

Irxy wrote...

Consolized and dumbed down... oh well, these are synonyms anyway.

IQ check successfull -> pre-order cancelled.

As you've decided to write off DA2, i hope you cease to post here. Less stupid whiny posts -> better forum

[Chaos Gate]

Sounds like they are recharting the Mass Effect 2 path yet again.



A shame, as I personally consider Mass Effect 2 to be the biggest gaming disappointment that I have so far encountered.



Still, I'm not going to slam a game that has not been released yet. Here's hoping it is a quality offering.

[Lyssistr]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Bioware lied to you? So what? They lied about the DA:O DLC support too. Deal with it, people lie, the world isn't fair, and not everything turns out as planned.

I guess BioWare also lied about the original release date of Origins, too.

 Release date is not that significant tbh, but with regard to DA's mac version, they initially advertised it as fully supported (they retracted that later) and it didn't turn out so, which rendered the mac version semi-useless. This is false advertising and trying to sell a product for more than it is.

Modifié par Lyssistr, 18 novembre 2010 - 12:44 .

[FedericoV]

My simple and humble opinion about the iso/topdown view: I love it but it cannot work properly if it coexist with a 3rd person view. Level design and gameplay changes completely. DA:O has two camera mode and none of them was optimal (for DA:O it's the same problem over and over again under most aspects... the game was too much in the middle of the road on many issues and thus resulted mediocre at both).



At least with DA2 they have made a choice. I would have preferred a 100% Iso game, a sort of game that unfortunately do not work very well with consolle command set (don't want to start a consolle war, far from that, but rts-ihs games with top down view do not work very well on consolle).

[LexXxich]

I fully understand Bioware's desire to make game more playable/involving/interesting on consoles. But why should PC players suffer for it? I would like to choose how I play myself. What camera to use, whether to keep my companions in unique outfits or not, whether to use ranged or melee weapons - I could choose it. Now I can't. And I'm sad because of it.

Sure, DA2 might still be fairly interesting in it's own right, but the way of cutting things instead of fine-tuning them I can't get behind.

[FedericoV]

LexXxich wrote...

I fully understand Bioware's desire to make game more playable/involving/interesting on consoles. But why should PC players suffer for it? I would like to choose how I play myself. What camera to use, whether to keep my companions in unique outfits or not, whether to use ranged or melee weapons - I could choose it. Now I can't. And I'm sad because of it.

Because what works on Consolle works as well on PC, while the opposite is not true (I mean, even badly ported game can be played with a controller on the PC). Bioware is developing a multiplatform title. Then, devs have to consider the "limitation" of consolle in term of hardware and controll (if compared to PC... not a judgement or consolle war, I think that it's fair and objective to admit that consolle are limited in term of gameplay options if compared with PCs).

Bioware cannot develop 2 or 3 games in one or develop a game in the middle of what works best for each platofrm (or they would develop another game with the contraddictions of DA:O). So, being a PC game myself, I sympathize with your positions but I even understand Bioware's choices. It's better to develop a game that do some thing very well, than develop a game that do too many things in a weak way.

[Marionetten]

LexXxich wrote...

I fully understand Bioware's desire to make game more playable/involving/interesting on consoles. But why should PC players suffer for it?

Lowest common denominator. It's BioWare's new design philosophy.

[bussinrounds]

Estel78 wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

Why are ppl complaining so much about it being an action game, if we can still play it tactically then ?

First sensible thing you posted on this thread. The answer is, people love to complain.

What did i post that was so unsensible ? I simply misunderstood what he meant by stackable commands.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

leonia42 wrote...

You must have some real self-esteem issues, stop taking every argument on the internet as a personal attack on your character.

Please, get off your stepstool. Angrypants is one of those "you guys are just PC elitist ahole posters, think of the console users!"  and Merrin called him on it. Gotta love the double standard around here.

[Xewaka]

FedericoV wrote...

Because what works on Consolle works as well on PC

I disagree. There is a rather high number of lazy and half-assed console-to-PC ports to back this up. PC has different (arguably more) strenghts than a console as a gaming platform. Ports don't capilatize on this and feel subpar when compared to games made with the PC in mind.

FedericoV wrote...
Then, devs have to consider the "limitation" of consolle in term of hardware and controll (if compared to PC... not a judgement or consolle war, I think that it's fair and objective to admit that consolle are limited in term of gameplay options if compared with PCs).

You already admit that consoles are limited compared to PCs. Then why do you say that what works for console works for PC? It is a misuse of the platform capabilities.

FedericoV wrote...
Bioware cannot develop 2 or 3 games in one or develop a game in the middle of what works best for each platofrm (or they would develop another game with the contraddictions of DA:O). So, being a PC game myself, I sympathize with your positions but I even understand Bioware's choices. It's better to develop a game that do some thing very well, than develop a game that do too many things in a weak way.

So because consoles are rather inflexible and limited, players who expect quality product must get the shaft. Nice.

[Leonia]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

You
must have some real self-esteem issues, stop taking every argument on
the internet as a personal attack on your character.

Please,
get off your stepstool. Angrypants is one of those "you guys are just
PC elitist ahole posters, think of the console users!"  and Merrin
called him on it. Gotta love the double standard around here.

I think Shorts' arsenal of argumentation techniques is a bit more advanced than the "Just throw around insults and ad hominem attacks". Whether you agree with what he has to say or not, you have to realise that his posts are well-thought out and generally quite neutral (unless he explicitly says he is being biased in some fashion). You, and others, are just looking "between the lines" for things that simply don't exist.

Also, why did this thread get a sticky?

Modifié par leonia42, 18 novembre 2010 - 04:30 .

[ErichHartmann]

I don't put my faith in written previews. I'll reserve a little judgment for actual gameplay footage on the PC and final judgment for playing DAII from start to finish. Nothing else will convince me that what they say is accurate.

[AlanC9]

FedericoV wrote...

Because what works on Consolle works as well on PC, while the opposite is not true (I mean, even badly ported game can be played with a controller on the PC).

If you own a controller.

[AlanC9]

Lyssistr wrote...

 Release date is not that significant tbh, but with regard to DA's mac version, they initially advertised it as fully supported (they retracted that later) and it didn't turn out so, which rendered the mac version semi-useless. This is false advertising and trying to sell a product for more than it is.

Meaning no toolset?

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

leonia42 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

You
must have some real self-esteem issues, stop taking every argument on
the internet as a personal attack on your character.

Please,
get off your stepstool. Angrypants is one of those "you guys are just
PC elitist ahole posters, think of the console users!"  and Merrin
called him on it. Gotta love the double standard around here.

I think Shorts' arsenal of argumentation techniques is a bit more advanced than the "Just throw around insults and ad hominem attacks". Whether you agree with what he has to say or not, you have to realise that his posts are well-thought out and generally quite neutral (unless he explicitly says he is being biased in some fashion). You, and others, are just looking "between the lines" for things that simply don't exist.

Also, why did this thread get a sticky?

Oh yea calling  a portion of the userbase that has a particular preference for something he hates names and tossing in an age dig there as well is certainly neutral. Its eye roll inducing how much you guys whine about snark and PC elitism, yet its ok to make thinly veiled digs towards others. Perfect example of hello pot meet kettle going on.

[John Epler]

Let me make something clear (because, apparently, it needs to be brought up again).



I don't care what side of the debate you're on. Respect the other side. I made this point yesterday because I felt the PC elitism was getting out of control - but on the flip side, that isn't carte blanche for people who are not PC gamers to pop on and start railing against the PC and the people who play it as being elitist. Just as playing on one platform or the other does not automatically make you more or less intelligent, it also does not automatically make you more or less of an elitist.



I'm going to start handing out warnings and bans if this continues. Come on, folks. I know you can discuss without resorting to personal attacks.



And if you have a problem with what another poster is saying, let a moderator know. None of us are ever-vigilant, ever-watching the forums. We have other jobs we need to do. We have lives. We can't catch every single thing that pops up. But if I see an e-mail message that tells me I have a new PM on the forums, I will check it. If it's someone being disrespectful, I will deal with it.



Don't get drawn into arguments and then rail about how there's a double standard and we're favouring one side. I favour the side that actually lets me know when something's up, because I simply don't have the time to be on these boards 24/7.

[Aldandil]

I like DA:O a lot. My hopes for the sequel weren't that complicated, I pretty much wanted more of everything in DA:O. A tactical camera with a longer free range span was at the top of my hopes for the sequel. More and different-looking armors would also have been nice.



Most of the changes made between DA:O and DA2 looks pretty promising. I enjoyed ME and ME2, so I don't mind the voiced protagonist in the slightest, even though the replayability of being able to play different races in DA:O. The trade-off is worth it in my book. The new look of the game is also pretty cool, and I can see no harm in faster-paced combat.



Needless to say, the news from the last few weeks have been disappointing. I can see why the changes are made, I realize that there will be benefits from them, but I'm not really interested in the advantages from those changes. Having played DA:O, knowing my playing style and what I enjoy, I can pretty safely say that I would have enjoyed DA2 more with a tactical camera and the same armors on all characters.