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[Eleinehmm]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Isn't it customary for all of the  3-person games  - Why would they call it a tactical camera...

3rd person party based tactical combat games?

Even  non-party based -  Party managment calls for something better.

[Atakuma]

I never used the "tactical" camera so i really don't care.

[Eleinehmm]

Atakuma wrote...

I never used the "tactical" camera so i really don't care.

Wow - You never used it on PC - That is sort of strange...

[Herr Uhl]

Brockololly wrote...

Bottom line is that this was still a preview of the console version.

This. Though it was at least more informative than usual.

[Ziggeh]

Eleinehmm wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Isn't it customary for all of the  3-person games  - Why would they call it a tactical camera...

3rd person party based tactical combat games?

Even  non-party based -  Party managment calls for something better.

You can pan the camera too.

[Atakuma]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I never used the "tactical" camera so i really don't care.

Wow - You never used it on PC - That is sort of strange...

Why? I found it unecissary so I didnt use it.

[Marionetten]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I never used the "tactical" camera so i really don't care.

Wow - You never used it on PC - That is sort of strange...

Not really. Extremely few fights actually required it.

I was hoping that the sequel would fix this. Instead BioWare went in the other direction.

[Zlarm]

What?!? I thought it was confirmed pc would still have a tactical view. How come we we're told again and again that combat in DA2 was identical to DA:O except for being a little sped up?



How do you expect us to "think like a general" Mike when we can't see what going on? How can a spiritual successor to Baldurs Gate not have tactical view? So many questions; so much frustration....

[Froody42]

It really cheeses me off that almost any reviewer will just assume that everyone agrees that the ME dialogue system is so much better than that of DA...



And the confirmed lack of a tactical camera really sucks. I thought that was still up in the hair... this decision takes out much of the appeal for me. There are already so many third-person RPGs and third-person action games to choose from, while the tactical camera made DA: O unique on the market. I fail to see how you're supposed to 'think like a general' that way, too...

[Realmjumper]

I really can't express it so I will just copy/paste what Thorn14 from kotaku comment community posted.



Quote "No overhead view? No sequencing commands? No partner inventory? Dumbed down dialogue? Forced to be one character only storywise? PC version sounding like the console version but with very minor tweaks?



No thanks. This is not the "spiritual successor to baldur's gate" that made me love DA1 so much. This is Mass Effect 2 with swords.



Just go out and admit it Bioware, you dont give a flying flip about the PC market. It will be easier on yourself if you were just honest. "



end quote



Frankly at this point I do not plan on pre ordering and will take a wait and see approach. It definitely looks like it's a console port. Good thing Deus Ex; Human Revolution is releasing the same exact day. Not only is the PC version getting it's own U.I. but they're also sticking more to the roots of the original than Dragonage 2 is when compared to DA: O.



Also one thing that disgusts me is that they're trying to bring in Fable fans. I've played the original Fable on the PC and though it's a quite good game, it is a button smasher.



A button smasher, a button smasher, a button smasher.



Shame on you Bioware, Shame on all of you for doing this. >.<

[Brockololly]

Thats the thing really is that we haven't had any news on the Tactical Camera since Gamescom. And then they were simply working on it. So far all we know they've canned it and thats why we haven't heard anything about it.



Yes, I am conjuring up doom and gloom worst case scenarios

[Malanek]

This article doesn't say the tactical view has gone. In fact it specifically says that it is in there for the PC, but that it has changed. We don't know how good it will be until we see it. IMO it is very important for controlling AOE effects. I'm willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt until we get to try it.

Modifié par Malanek999, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:07 .

[Blacklash93]

And I thought everyone already knew the tactical camera was out... That post from Mike was ages ago.

[Eleinehmm]

Atakuma wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I never used the "tactical" camera so i really don't care.

Wow - You never used it on PC - That is sort of strange...

Why? I found it unecissary so I didnt use it.

Because, I don't know - That's  how party based RPGs are supposed to be played - It seems I am getting old It is very diificult for me not to use it - Makes me feel as if I am not exactly in control of the situation.

[2papercuts]

Blacklash93 wrote...

And I thought everyone already knew the tactical camera was out... That post from Mike was ages ago.

he said they were thinking about it or doing something overhead i thought

[haberman13]

Froody42 wrote...

It really cheeses me off that almost any reviewer will just assume that everyone agrees that the ME dialogue system is so much better than that of DA...

And the confirmed lack of a tactical camera really sucks. I thought that was still up in the hair... this decision takes out much of the appeal for me. There are already so many third-person RPGs and third-person action games to choose from, while the tactical camera made DA: O unique on the market. I fail to see how you're supposed to 'think like a general' that way, too...

Well ... it is logical to assume most gamers are total nitwits, considering how well MW2 sells.

Bioware is making a profit based call to increase sales ... BIG surprise 

Meanwhile, thousands of voices with > 100 IQ cried out in the darkness and lamented the fall of another franchise to the console.

Modifié par haberman13, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:07 .

[Marionetten]

Malanek999 wrote...

This article doesn't say the tactical view has gone. Just that it has changed. We don't know how good it will be until we see it. IMO it is very important for controlling AOE effects. I'm willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt until we get to try it.

It says the game isn't being designed around the tactical view. That pretty much means that it's being reduced to a mere gimmick. Not saying it was overly useful in Dragon Age: Origins to begin with but this is a very disheartening development and yet another step towards Dragon Effect.

Modifié par Marionetten, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:08 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I...don't know what to think about all of this.



Almost every bit of news I hear about this game make me cringe

That was from a poster on Kotaku. I've actually noticed a lot of people with very similar responses whenever the game is previewed by the press. I can't say I don't feel the same way, almost everything I've heard about the game seems to be in direct opposition to what the original game was.

[Eleinehmm]

Froody42 wrote...

It really cheeses me off that almost any reviewer will just assume that everyone agrees that the ME dialogue system is so much better than that of DA...

Yes, I was surprised too. But I  suppose we can't do anything with the dialog problem anymore . 

[Realmjumper]

Malanek999 wrote...

This article doesn't say the tactical view has gone. In fact it specifically says that it is in there for the PC, but that it has changed. We don't know how good it will be until we see it. IMO it is very important for controlling AOE effects. I'm willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt until we get to try it.

Yes it does clearly say no tactical view.

Quote
The bigger change, however, is that the game will no longer support an overhead tactical view on any platform. This was an art and combat-design decision, the BioWare rep told me today.
End Quote

Enjoy your button smashing adventure!  Having Hawke fly 15 feet inthe air wearing plate armor is oh so cool!. NOT!

Modifié par Realmjumper, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:09 .

[Razgul]

Think like a general, see like a spartan.

[Dave of Canada]

haberman13 wrote...

Meanwhile, thousands of voices with > 100 IQ cried out in the darkness and lamented the fall of another franchise to the console.

*sigh*

You are not smarter or superior than anybody else. Please don't act like it. Nor are the console insults necessary.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:10 .

[John Epler]

Since it's a little unclear - you can still pull the camera back and then adjust the yaw, which would allow for a fairly-close-to top-down camera perspective. You aren't stuck with varying degrees of over-the-shoulder.

[Herr Uhl]

JohnEpler wrote...

Since it's a little unclear - you can still pull the camera back and then adjust the yaw, which would allow for a fairly-close-to top-down camera perspective. You aren't stuck with varying degrees of over-the-shoulder.

Is it locked on the character?

[Marionetten]

JohnEpler wrote...

Since it's a little unclear - you can still pull the camera back and then adjust the yaw, which would allow for a fairly-close-to top-down camera perspective. You aren't stuck with varying degrees of over-the-shoulder.

But are the combat encounters actually being designed with this in mind?