Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Not possible. In DAO the tone doesn't exist within the game.AlanC9 wrote...
Either the NPCs will react to a tone you didn't realize was there
errant_knight wrote...
Er, what? Look, it's pretty obvious that we come from opposite ends of the spectrum on whether the use of icons/paraphrasing is distancing and damaging to roleplay, so do we really have to keep beating this dead horse? We're not going to find common ground here, so I suggest that we agree to disagree and call it a day. We pretty much know what each other means, and really, we're just critiquing each other's semantics now.
Edit: I hope that didn't come off as snarky, I didn't mean it that way. I just don't see us coming to any kind of natural endpoint in this debate, and it just going on forever.
Let me rephrase.AlanC9 wrote...
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Not possible. In DAO the tone doesn't exist within the game.AlanC9 wrote...
Either the NPCs will react to a tone you didn't realize was there
If we want to go that route, then NPCs don't actually respond to anything except mouseclicks. And they aren't NPCs at all, but conversation files.
Uh, guess you did think I was snarky, regardless of my intent, huh, 'cause 'outright irrational?' That's just insulting. Now we're definitely done.AlanC9 wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
Er, what? Look, it's pretty obvious that we come from opposite ends of the spectrum on whether the use of icons/paraphrasing is distancing and damaging to roleplay, so do we really have to keep beating this dead horse? We're not going to find common ground here, so I suggest that we agree to disagree and call it a day. We pretty much know what each other means, and really, we're just critiquing each other's semantics now.
Edit: I hope that didn't come off as snarky, I didn't mean it that way. I just don't see us coming to any kind of natural endpoint in this debate, and it just going on forever.
Oh, sure, it was obvious a couple of pages ago that our interpretations are not reconcilable. I was just curious as to why. Your position still strikes me as -- in the non-snarkiest way possible -- self-contradictory if not outright irrational.
But we are entering a state of advanced pointlessness here.
I would say there is a tone. After all the way the NPCs react to what you say is obviously partially based off how the writer's viewed the tone of the dialogue you picked to be. Which of course leads to issue when the player can't tell what the tone is in the written text and thus pick incorrectly.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Let me rephrase.AlanC9 wrote...
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Not possible. In DAO the tone doesn't exist within the game.AlanC9 wrote...
Either the NPCs will react to a tone you didn't realize was there
If we want to go that route, then NPCs don't actually respond to anything except mouseclicks. And they aren't NPCs at all, but conversation files.
In DAO the tone doesn't exist within the game world. It can, certainly, based on the player's preference, but there's no requirement that it be so.
That's a non sequiter. That the NPC's reaction is based on the writer's intended tone I don't dispute (not do I grant it, but I don't dispute it). I simply fail to see how that's relevant to the question of whether the tone exists.Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...
I would say there is a tone. After all the way the NPCs react to what you say is obviously partially based off how the writer's viewed the tone of the dialogue you picked to be.
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I agree wholeheartedly. Mike's comment that "The camera is attached to your currently controlled character," is at best ambiguous, and at worst an indication that the camera can no longer roam at all.filaminstrel wrote...
I still wish Laidlaw would clarify that comment. Just to be 100% sure.
FableisAwesomeBro wrote...
Yaw, this ****itiy ass "RPG" is over brah. The only RPG i play with my friends is Fable, this gay ass origins was gay, but DA II looks awesome. MIndblowingly cool. Don't listen to this hardcore RPG fans, more like hardcore phagots, the new game looks awesome and me and my friends are bying it.
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Sylvius the Mad wrote...
That's a non sequiter. That the NPC's reaction is based on the writer's intended tone I don't dispute (not do I grant it, but I don't dispute it). I simply fail to see how that's relevant to the question of whether the tone exists.Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...
I would say there is a tone. After all the way the NPCs react to what you say is obviously partially based off how the writer's viewed the tone of the dialogue you picked to be.
It also forced the designers into an awkward spot where they had to accommodate top-down turn-taking players and behind-the-back action-first players. By catering to the more reckless of those playing styles, the designers were forced to make the game's difficulty fairly low. Making all players play from some sort of from-the-rear camera view alleviates that.
FableisAwesomeBro wrote...
Nobody cares what you think, I'm buying it and I'm the target audience that matters.
FableisAwesomeBro wrote...
I don't get why people are complaining. You can go ***** yourselfs. Bioware deserves better than the "hardcore" nerd crowd. Like anyone wants to stack numbers and stats.
All the people who bought Fable will buy this game. All the people who bought GOW III will buy this game. All the poeple who bought Borderlands will buy this game. You "Fans" can go suck it.
FableisAwesomeBro wrote...
no one will buy a PC focused title.
Ditto! More than ever I want to be told exactly what kind of camera we are getting.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I agree wholeheartedly. Mike's comment that "The camera is attached to your currently controlled character," is at best ambiguous, and at worst an indication that the camera can no longer roam at all.filaminstrel wrote...
I still wish Laidlaw would clarify that comment. Just to be 100% sure.
But it isn't clear.
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Let me rephrase.AlanC9 wrote...
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Not possible. In DAO the tone doesn't exist within the game.AlanC9 wrote...
Either the NPCs will react to a tone you didn't realize was there
If we want to go that route, then NPCs don't actually respond to anything except mouseclicks. And they aren't NPCs at all, but conversation files.
In DAO the tone doesn't exist within the game world. It can, certainly, based on the player's preference, but there's no requirement that it be so.
errant_knight wrote...
Uh, guess you did think I was snarky, regardless of my intent, huh, 'cause 'outright irrational?' That's just insulting. Now we're definitely done.
Politeness is never unnecessary or pointless, even on the internet. That's not an apology, either.AlanC9 wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
Uh, guess you did think I was snarky, regardless of my intent, huh, 'cause 'outright irrational?' That's just insulting. Now we're definitely done.
Huh? No, I just thought we had passed the point of masking our actual beliefs out of politeness. I don't suppose this can be called an apology, but your position really does strike me as irrational.
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