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[Leto II the God Emperor]

I am playing a Human Noble and I'm planning to marry Anora at the end due to her ability to strengthen Ferelden.  If you let Redcliffe be destroyed it results in the below epilogue.
 
If the Warden abandons Redcliffe during the "Attack at
Nightfall" Quest, Arl Eamon abdicates his arling to Bann Teagan and
returns to Redcliffe. However, he is unable to restore the town to its
former glory due to rumors that it is haunted


Redcliffe stands for that decentralized bannorn power and obstructs the path to a truly united/centralized Ferelden Monarchy.  Would letting Redcliffe fall diminish its ability to atagonize the throne or would that just create further   conflict with the throne because my Cousland now is king and they know that he abandoned them.  So, to destory or not to destory?

[ejoslin]

Eamon can go back at the end as well if you become chancellor. why not destroy him? According to wh, redcliff starts to get too much power. I want to know what happens on the map if Redcliff is destroyed.

[KnightofPhoenix]

To be honest, I actually regret saving Redcliffe after seeing what was happening in Witch Hunt.

If you have no problem metagaming, or if your PC is able to foresee this (and ignore the immediate potential benefits of saving the village), then let Redcliffe burn.

[maxernst]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

To be honest, I actually regret saving Redcliffe after seeing what was happening in Witch Hunt.
If you have no problem metagaming, or if your PC is able to foresee this (and ignore the immediate potential benefits of saving the village), then let Redcliffe burn.

Well, if his HN is already planning to marry Anora and take the throne I'd say he has no problem metagaming.  As a Cousland without any particular reason to expect gaining the throne, you would probably prefer a weak, decentralized monarchy in which the nobility have more power.

[Ulicus]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

To be honest, I actually regret saving Redcliffe after seeing what was happening in Witch Hunt.
If you have no problem metagaming, or if your PC is able to foresee this (and ignore the immediate potential benefits of saving the village), then let Redcliffe burn.

Does that actually make any difference, though? Or does Witch Hunt have Redcliffe down as an increasing power in the West irrespective of your choices? I've been led to believe that such is the case no matter who is on the throne, and even if Eamon is the chancellor.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ulicus wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

To be honest, I actually regret saving Redcliffe after seeing what was happening in Witch Hunt.
If you have no problem metagaming, or if your PC is able to foresee this (and ignore the immediate potential benefits of saving the village), then let Redcliffe burn.

Does that actually make any difference, though? Or does Witch Hunt have Redcliffe down as an increasing power in the West irrespective of your choices? I've been led to believe that such is the case no matter who is on the throne, and even if Eamon is the chancellor.

I have not tried Witch Hunt with Redcliffe destroyed. So I am not sure.
Someone should try and see. I would think that with Recliffe destroyed, it won't present as much of a potential threat. 
But Redcliffe gets vitrually destroyed anyhow when the darkspawn come, so *shrugs*.

[Giggles_Manically]

Besides I think Witch Hunt was talking about the entire ARLING, not the village itself.

They probably lost villages all over the place during Origins, but as a whole is more intact compared to the Bannorn or other Arlings.

[ejoslin]

but Eamon's power diminishes along with Redcliff never regaining its strength. Gah, i loved that ending. My current blood mage, as a matter of fact, will think that's a good course of action. After killing Lloyd that is

[Leto II the God Emperor]

I wouldn't say that I'm metagaming.  I would say that my HN is going through trying to increase the power of the Cousland family line at any cost especially since what has just happened with Howe has severly crippled the family.  He could see destorying Redcliffe as a way to remove a potential threat to their power base and marrying Anora as cementing the Cousland power over any other Noble Line.  I just laid out what my HN would do for the purpose getting the full point that I wanted to get across.

Modifié par Leto II the God Emperor, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:45 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


I have not tried Witch Hunt with Redcliffe destroyed. So I am not sure.
Someone should try and see. I would think that with Recliffe destroyed, it won't present as much of a potential threat. 
But Redcliffe gets vitrually destroyed anyhow when the darkspawn come, so *shrugs*.

I just checked Luzrezia's WH map, she let Redcliffe fall. And the map says that the village and castle lie abaondoned, rumors of undead crawling around the place.

It also gives the siotuation in Orzammar with Harrowmont in charge, saying the surface/dwarf relations are cold, suspicions against the dwarves abound on the surface, and Orzammar is cut off.

So WH map does reflect your origins choices.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I see. Thanks Skadi!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I see. Thanks Skadi!

NP. Guess that letting Redcliffe crash and burn is better for Ferelden unity in the long run.

If it wasn't for all the sidequests and neat crap you get for defending it, I'd do it more often.

[maxernst]

Leto II the God Emperor wrote...

I wouldn't say that I'm metagaming.  I would say that my HN is going through trying to increase the power of the Cousland family line at any cost especially since what has just happened with Howe has severly crippled the family.  He could see destorying Redcliffe as a way to remove a potential threat to their power base and marrying Anora as cementing the Cousland power over any other Noble Line.  I just laid out what my HN would do for the purpose getting the full point that I wanted to get across.

That's an entirely different motivation than increasing the power of the crown, though.  It's only later marrying Anora becomes a possibility, and you can't do it without Eamon calling the Landsmeet.  And I do think there's some metagaming involved to assume that you can beat Loghain if Eamon's power base is weakened--as you've already admitted, the Cousland's are crippled.  Why should Anora marry you rather than Howe's son, for example?

Modifié par maxernst, 18 novembre 2010 - 12:47 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

maxernst wrote...
That's an entirely different motivation than increasing the power of the crown, though.

He could have the ambition of being chancellor though, and as such securing the Crown's interests could also mean securing his.

[Ulicus]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I just checked Luzrezia's WH map, she let Redcliffe fall. And the map says that the village and castle lie abaondoned, rumors of undead crawling around the place.

Cool. I knew it reflected which dwarven king you picked, but I had my doubts about Redcliffe. Ta!

[Leto II the God Emperor]

Modifié par Leto II the God Emperor, 18 novembre 2010 - 12:58 .

[Leto II the God Emperor]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


I have not tried Witch Hunt with Redcliffe destroyed. So I am not sure.
Someone should try and see. I would think that with Recliffe destroyed, it won't present as much of a potential threat. 
But Redcliffe gets vitrually destroyed anyhow when the darkspawn come, so *shrugs*.

I just checked Luzrezia's WH map, she let Redcliffe fall. And the map says that the village and castle lie abaondoned, rumors of undead crawling around the place.

It also gives the siotuation in Orzammar with Harrowmont in charge, saying the surface/dwarf relations are cold, suspicions against the dwarves abound on the surface, and Orzammar is cut off.

So WH map does reflect your origins choices.

On the topic of outcomes in Witch Hunt DLC.  What does it say about Orzammar if you elected Bhelen as the king and saved the Anvil?