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[Dean_the_Young]

Besides that being, well, his job, how does that make him a bastard?



Should he nobly suffer, or let the billions of people he represents go without simply because someone else slipped?

[Zulu_DFA]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The best part is, this was about the only plot-related choice that had any meaningful impact on ME2, yet they screwed it up in the subsequent book and comic.

I'm unsure what to think.

Heh, it was the only ME1 choice, that was actually a ME2 choice, lol!

But maybe it's a sort of price this choice is paying for "going off" this early. I mean, since we had our the consequences, it's done, and it would be too difficult and inexpedient for BioWare to continue developing consequences for the different options of this choice.

Perhaps they withheld other Big Choices from making impact so that they could make them flourish in ME3. Casey Hudson said so .

[Gabey5]

it retribution anderson steps down to help sanders

[Dean_the_Young]

Steps down from being an Admiral. Retribution is written from the basis that Udina was selected as Councilor.

[ninsegtari]

Anderson would have stepped down after ME2 and Udina finished his term. Much like when Nixon stepped down and Ford finished his term. I'm sure being a councilor is not a permanant position, exspecially for the human councilor. At some point in ME3 we'll probably be given the choice of either supporting Udina's second term or choosing his opponent (paragon).



This is the only path that makes sense. If Retribution takes place in a Councilor Udina universe (and Anderson can't join Sanders if he's a councilor), that means that everything that happened in the book didn't actually happen if you picked Anderson. Ergo (sp?), they'll have to either have Anderson quit (post ME2) or they'll have to explain everything that happened during Retribution if you chose Anderson. It's easier to just say Anderson resigned, so that's what they'll be doing.

Modifié par ninsegtari, 26 novembre 2010 - 03:46 .

[TheRevanchist]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Steps down from being an Admiral. Retribution is written from the basis that Udina was selected as Councilor.

This. This is what I am talking about, this one writing decision basicly says "F you guys, we decided we don't care what your choice was so we are imposeing one."

[Dean_the_Young]

Except they aren't imposing. The writing of Retribution in no way changes the course or validity of your Shepard's choices. If you chose Anderson to be Councilor, the Councilor in ME3 is not going to be Udina.



There is no retcon, and the books are not a 'true universe canon.' Your shepard's choices are the canon for the player, and Retribution and everything else is just supplementary material that tells how something things would have gone if certain things happened.

[TexasToast712]

Udina is a back stabbing, ass hat politician that wears blue sneakers. Anderson will turn out to be the right choice when the Reaper Invasion begins. You can count on it.

[TheRevanchist]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Udina is a back stabbing, ass hat politician that wears blue sneakers. Anderson will turn out to be the right choice when the Reaper Invasion begins. You can count on it.

It better be, I recall a quote from Navigator Presly (god rest his soul). "Capitan Anderson is one of the most decorated special forces officers in the service. If he melted down all his medals he could make a life size statue of himself." Now call me crazy...but I would much rather have a guy like THAT having a say in the Council Fleet's military movement's then an "ass hat wearing politcian".

Modifié par kylecouch, 10 décembre 2010 - 02:07 .

[TheRevanchist]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Udina is a back stabbing, ass hat politician that wears blue sneakers. Anderson will turn out to be the right choice when the Reaper Invasion begins. You can count on it.

Your avatar pic reminds me of something. "Everythings bigger in Texas" and there you are with a Krogan pic...named Texas Toast lmao.

[TexasToast712]

kylecouch wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Udina is a back stabbing, ass hat politician that wears blue sneakers. Anderson will turn out to be the right choice when the Reaper Invasion begins. You can count on it.

Your avatar pic reminds me of something. "Everythings bigger in Texas" and there you are with a Krogan pic...named Texas Toast lmao.

Yea I love the Krogan. I wish there was a Cure the Genophage for ME3 signature.

I also live in Texas just incase you were wondering.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 10 décembre 2010 - 02:13 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

The great thing about the ME books and comics in general is that they usually try to steer clear from making any of the choices Shepard was faced with canon. The story dances around it so that the choices the player is given still matter, and so that his or her character is unchanged.

Unfortunately for whatever reason, perhaps just lazy writing, Udina was made the canon choice. If you pick Anderson he just steps down. The unfortunate side effect of this however is that your endgame decision in ME1 was rendered meaningless by the book. Why even give the player a choice if in the end your choice is meaningless?

It doesn't just screw over players who chose Anderson, but also players that chose Udina. Because choosing Udina is equally meaningless, because he was going to get the job with or without your endorsal. He didn't need you.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:46 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Realistically, the reason is hopefully to allow Anderson to have a more active role with us.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Realistically, the reason is hopefully to allow Anderson to have a more active role with us.

I would hope so.

Now that he's PFC Anderson (PFC as in Private F***ing Citizen) I hope he plays a similar role as Legion in ME2. Basically as the last mystery squadmate that joins the squad right before the end run.

[Zulu_DFA]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Why even give the player a choice if in the end your choice is meaningless?

It doesn't just screw over players who chose Anderson, but also players that chose Udina. Because choosing Udina is equally meaningless, because he was going to get the job with or without your endorsal. He didn't need you.

Actually, the moments when something happens in the ME universe in spite of Shepard's wish are just marvellous.

[Encarmine]

gotta be cynical here, having played ME2 first, and then relising there was a cool character called wrex who wasnt in the game due to not having ME1, and no rachni queen due to me not owning me1, and a annoying Udina as counciler due to me not having ME1, and the councle being dead, due to me not having ME1, i got the feeling, Bioware wanted me to buy ME1, so i could get the 'cool/good' choices, upset me much? nah, its just business.

[Saren100]

Encarmine sounds like you should get ME1



You can pick it up at EB games/Games stop for around 9 dollars.

[Encarmine]

i have got and played me1 dude

[Moiaussi]

I still can't really see Anderson as a squad member, but I could see Shepard moving to a new ship with Anderson as captain.

[RiouHotaru]

I believe someone asked one of the writers, Drew I think, and got a response that in order to write a story like this, certain decisions about what Shepard did was unavoidable, otherwise they couldn't write the story the way they did. This only offers a glimpse of what MIGHT have happened if Udina is made Councilor, same with the Inquisition comic. Drew himself stated in his reply that if Anderson was made Councilor, he would NOT step down.



So take Retribution as a more 'What Could Have Been' moment.

[mopotter]

Burningwolf wrote...

Fire up a new game of Mass effect 2.
Do NOT import.....
Base decisions made as follow for a male shepard.
Council ...Dead
Wrex.......Dead
Ashley.....Alive
Udina.......Council
Anderson..Admiral

There is the basis for Udina being council..being Canon.Next question?

I know someone is already going to have mentioned this, but if your Shepard is female, then Kaidan is alive.  I decided I wanted one non-import so I now have Jane Shepard, the only non-import Shepard in my group.

[mopotter]

DarthCaine wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Every comic and book that comes out has Udina the "Councilor"....why exactly???

Because Anderson quit his political job in Retribution.

Drew made one mistake by stating Udina is councilor. It's just one single line

I agree with you.  I used to work in our public relations department - just a small 2 full-time and 1 part-time secretary.  The 2 full-time people plus their boss and sometimes a 4th  people would look at a story that was going out in our company magazine.  They would circle every incorrect word, sentence in red and fix it.  Even after that, when it went out, someone would let them know they missed something.   And that is just a  2 or 3 page story.  

I am surprised they just missed that one sentence in the book.   As long as they never mention what sex Shepard is  I can live with the other slips because I'll have both male and female Shepards who have made that choice.   If they start mentioning what sex Shepard is, then I'll stop reading the books and comics and just play the games.

[mopotter]

MrFob wrote...

Yes, it's just one single line in Retribution. However it's not a mistake but it was a deliberate choice by Karpyshyn. In an email, answering a fan (can be found somewhere in the depth of this forum) he explains that, given Andersons character, had he been a council member, there s no way, he would have just left to help Sanders. That's why he chose to base Retribution on the assumption that Udina is councilor.
IMO, I'd rather have had a slightly unbelievable action on Andersons part and kept the councilor issue ambiguous but that is how it was done.
About the cannon crap: who cares, really. We are talking one single line in a book here ... for now. We'll see how it all turns out. As long as the experience is fresh and ME3 is yet to come, I'd like them to keep as unspecific on player choices as possible, not to ruin the immersion. If they want to keep the franchise going on (and certainly hope they will), I wont hold it against them if they decide to base it on a specific plot line of the ME trilogy. I guess the more the universe expands, the harder it is gonna be to avoid it.
And as for "cannon" or "default", seriously, that's semantics, who gives a dam, what you call it .

Well, that's just sad.  Anderson is in love with Sanders.  If he thought she was going to be in danger, he would have gone.  He hated being a counselor and even mentions that Udina does a good job, given a reason to quit, I can see him doing it.  

 

[Dean_the_Young]

kylecouch wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Udina is a back stabbing, ass hat politician that wears blue sneakers. Anderson will turn out to be the right choice when the Reaper Invasion begins. You can count on it.

It better be, I recall a quote from Navigator Presly (god rest his soul). "Capitan Anderson is one of the most decorated special forces officers in the service. If he melted down all his medals he could make a life size statue of himself." Now call me crazy...but I would much rather have a guy like THAT having a say in the Council Fleet's military movement's then an "ass hat wearing politcian".

You think being an excellent tactical infantryman makes one qualified for naval deployments and tactics?

Yeah. Sure.

The people who determining and leading the Alliance's military operations will be the Admirals.

[Dean_the_Young]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

The great thing about the ME books and comics in general is that they usually try to steer clear from making any of the choices Shepard was faced with canon. The story dances around it so that the choices the player is given still matter, and so that his or her character is unchanged.

Unfortunately for whatever reason, perhaps just lazy writing, Udina was made the canon choice. If you pick Anderson he just steps down. The unfortunate side effect of this however is that your endgame decision in ME1 was rendered meaningless by the book. Why even give the player a choice if in the end your choice is meaningless?

It doesn't just screw over players who chose Anderson, but also players that chose Udina. Because choosing Udina is equally meaningless, because he was going to get the job with or without your endorsal. He didn't need you.

Except there is no assertion, anywhere, that Udina becomes Councilor regardless of your choice. If you chose Udina, Udina is Councilor because you chose him. That is what the side material assumes you did.

If you chose Anderson, Udina is not Councilor.