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[Kelepingon]

I have been thinking about starting a new character from BG1 through BG2 and wanted to try a dagger fighter. It has been about 5 years since I played and I think it's time to start a new game. I just got the 4 in 1 BG set since I lost my other copies.

 I was wondering how effective would a dagger fighter be and if anyone else has tried it. Since I normally play standard I was thinking outside the box. How do you expect the his damage will be?

 ps. melee dagger fighter, not to be confused with throwing daggers.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

If you use a kensei, then at large levels there will be no real difference. Your strength score + your kensei bonus will mean that you will probably deal more damage than with a two handed weapon - unless using Greater Whirlwind.

In BG1, you will have "some" difficulties though. Kensei don't fare very well there anyway, and a kensei that deals less damage than usually will not fare better - so you really should use throwing daggers until you get to BG2.

[Seagloom]

I agree with HT on this one. Kensai is a late blooming class. They are not too impressive in Baldur's Gate. The "Dagger of Venom" sold by Nashkel's blacksmith is spiffy though. The problem is Kensai armor class will still be pitiful and their kit bonuses minor.

[Kelepingon]

I am fairly new to these forums and BG so I don't really know what a kensei is(my guess is some dagger class). I have only played BG1 a few times but never gotten past chapter 4(big noob) but now that I'm older i feel I missed out on something good, anyhow...In BG1 I am planing to go small sword pure fighter and just use daggers all game.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Oh, if you're not using BGT or BG Tutu (and I recommend you use one of them!) then you won't be able to make your fighter a kensei until you reach Baldur's Gate II (which is probably a good thing, in a way).

Kensei is (supposedly, there is no way for me to verify this) japanese and means sword saint. It is a class unable to use any kind of armor but with a bonus of +2 on their armor class, and +1 on damage and THAC0 for every 3 levels they have.

Baldur's Gate 1 is easiest with ranged weapons. The difference is really immense. So if you plan on using daggers (which is just about the smallest-range weapon in the game), you may find the game to be a "challenge".

[Flamedance]

I really wouldn't go with a kensai on a first run of Baldur's Gate. Admittedly, i'm prejudiced against them, but if you use them in Baldur's Gate 1, be prepared to die. A LOT. It will probably be a rather frustrating experience, tbh. I recommend a berserker instead.



Like H_T allready said: you need Baldur's Gate Trilogy or Tutu to be able to play them in Baldur's Gate 1.

[Matuse]

Daggers are just radically inferior weapons to everything else. There is no speed advantage to using them, they don't attack faster than anything else, they don't crit more often, they just hit weaker.



The dagger of venom will be the only saving grace, but it'll be a while before you could afford it.

[Giovanto]

Hm? I read that you attack faster with daggers. One of the manuals (the one for Icewind Dale I think) actually has a passage saying that fighters should always have daggers of some kind ready "just in case" they're needed.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

No. Most weapons give 1 attack per round.

Exceptions are darts (3 APR), throwing daggers (2 APR I believe), bows (2 APR) and the weapons Belm +2, Kundane +2 and Scarlet Ninja-To +3, all of which add an additional attack to your main hand (and the bow Tuigan, which does the same on top of the normal bow APR for a total of 3 APR).

[Flamedance]

Giovanto wrote...

Hm? I read that you attack faster with daggers. One of the manuals (the one for Icewind Dale I think) actually has a passage saying that fighters should always have daggers of some kind ready "just in case" they're needed.

Seriously, never, ever pay any attention to the manuals in any of the Black Isle games. The manuals were written 12 hours before the games were shipped and are full of incorrect and misleading information, faulty spell descriptions, etc.

And i agree with the other posters on using daggers. There are much better weapon choices in the game. The only plus they have is their speed factor (meaning you can attack early in a round), but that's about it. Plus there are far more good long swords (for example) in the game than there are daggers.

[Francoprima]

I understand that not everyone is found of characters using the dagger. To my humble opinion, the dagger-characters' best use is with the Dagger of Venom (DoV) is stated as the most profound dagger.

One aspect no-one seems to mention : the DoV a very, VERY usefull item, especially when encountering a heavy mage or other casting enemy; keep in mind that the cloaked thieve
with its DoV with quadruple damage-ability, is essential to overrule a heavy enemy caster, undermining castingtime of nasty spells against your own party ! Tanks can move forward and finish the job ...

[Incantatar]

You could play thief->fighter or thief/fighter (or even fighter->thief) with daggers. Stealth at the beginning can help out a lot.

[BelgarathMTH]

There is a speed factor on weapons that determines in what order they strike during a round. I'm not sure what it is for daggers. However, I've never found that to be very important in practice - the attacks per round and the amount of damage done are what matters.

Except for that poison dagger, they're not very good weapons in Baldur's Gate. Mostly spellcasters use them to throw and as emergency weapons. Thieves can backstab with them, but will usually do more damage with better weapons.

[Francoprima]

speedfactor Dagger of Venom : 0

[Biotic_Warlock]

Not suggesting you have to...

but the Swashbucker (thief) is very similar to the kensai; just in case you'd be interested in using that instead.
Only down part is no ki strike and less frequest damage buffs on level ups. And 2 less hp to roll for.

It's kind of like a reverse kensai maybe.

Good in early levels, but against melissan probably less effective.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 19 août 2012 - 12:30 .

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Swashbucklers are a whole lot more powerful then Kensai if used correctly. UAI and traps can make a big difference.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

Swashbucklers are a whole lot more powerful then Kensai if used correctly. UAI and traps can make a big difference.

I think i dabbled with MP (the dreaded 6 custom party).

The swashbucker was pretty much the only thing that damaged Thaxll'ssillyia (shadow dragon).