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[Aleque]

Hi there

My situation is this. I have completed Morrigans personal quest, but she doesn't sleep with me. She mentions something with "but there is another". I guess she means that there is another person that I have relationship with?

I have possibility to bed Zevran, but then he asks about whether or not to dump Leliana.
I have also possibility to kiss Leliana and she asks the same about Zevran.
I assume Morrigan won't sleep with me because my approval with her is too high and that Lelianas and Zevrans approval with me is too high?

Here is the problem.

I would like to solve this dilemma by sleeping with all of them, but I guess that I'm going to have to pick only one in the end? Any suggestions on, how I should do this, to get the most out of this situation? And how will a relationship with any of them affect the rest of the game? (the progress not the ending)

[Esbatty]

I'm sure someone here knows who to "turn down" who can easily have their romance activated once again. And I think you have Lel and Morrigan romances running at the same time.

[Aleque]

I'm a bit confused about your reply

[Esbatty]

I know a few months back I read a quick "how to" on how to romance Morrigan and Lel at the same time, and also some of the LI's take being turned "easier than others" ie that their approval drops are very small like -8 or -11 for breaking up with them as opposed to like Alistair who is like -51.



I'd suggest checking the Dragon Age wikia on which romance dialogues get you the least amount of disapproval when you have to break up with each one to be able to sleep with them all.



http://dragonage.wik...Dragon_Age_Wiki

[Aleque]

I am trying to avoid living by the book - answering perfect things all the time, as written in a guide. So if my relationship with them has no particular effect on the progress of the game, I will not bother, and will just end up picking one of them.



But I read somewhere that Morrigan won't sleep with one whom she loves, and I have 100 approval with her

[LupusYondergirl]

No, that's Zevran, and you can't actually get him to 100 love (as opposed to 100 adore) until you enter the Landsmeet quest line.

He will, however, demand exclusivity once he reaches 71 approval if you are at 71 or higher (adore and not friendly) with someone else at the same time.

He also tends to take breakups fairly badly. Far worse than Leliana, really.

[ejoslin]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

No, that's Zevran, and you can't actually get him to 100 love (as opposed to 100 adore) until you enter the Landsmeet quest line.
He will, however, demand exclusivity once he reaches 71 approval if you are at 71 or higher (adore and not friendly) with someone else at the same time.
He also tends to take breakups fairly badly. Far worse than Leliana, really.

Not quite.  Morrigan will not sleep with a warden she loves (except when, well, that whole dr thing).

Once Zevran hits 91+ love, he refuses to go to the tent, but after you talk to him about it, provided he doesn't break up with you, he'll go back to the tent.

Edit; Morrigan and Zevran's romances and dialog actually has a lot of similarities.  I was struck by how both scoffed at the idea of love after going to the tent, so both, when they fall in love, become conflicted and deal with it in much the same way.

second edit:  There's a difference between 100 Adore and 100 Love in all the relationships (just as there's a difference between 100 warm and 100 friendly for all companions).  You have to do the personal quest for the person in order for them to fall in love.

Third edit: there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding the romances and starting them and restarting them because, well, all are different.  Plus some have bugs that affect this as well.

Morrigan's romance can always be started by giving her the mirror, even if there's been a prior breakup -- and at least one of her breakups is bugged so it doesn't stick.  Since you can restart her romance with the mirror after triggering the jealousy dialogs, it's possible to have both her and Leliana romanced.  this won't work with Zevran as it will bug his dialog.

Leliana has a serious bug where her romance starts for everyone at one point. She also has a bugged breakup where it doesn't stick. when she's fixed properly, males cannot restart the romance, but females have a second chance provided they don't tell her that they're not into women.

Alistair cannot be restarted unless he breaks up with a warden because she yells at him about not telling him about their birthright.  In that case, after the warden apologizes, the romance can be restarted.  If Alistair breaks up with the warden at the landsmeet, or if the warden breaks up with him, it's done.

Zevran cannot be restarted unless the breakup happens after he falls in love, in a few circumstances (not all), in which case it can be provided there's still a romance starter line left (since this happens very late in the game, chances are there won't be).  Zevran has a bug where if ALISTAIR forces the choice between him and Zevran (not the other way around) and the warden chooses Alistair, Zevran can be restarted.  However, if you try to restart Zevran before breaking up with Alistair, Zevran is bugged and remains bugged until the warden breaks up with Alistair.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 01:21 .

[sylvanaerie]

Or you could just download a mod that lets you romance them without jealousy but that's cheating. I'm sure there has to be one.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Or you could just download a mod that lets you romance them without jealousy but that's cheating. I'm sure there has to be one.

Yeah, Polygamey comes to mind, seen a couple others out there as well.

[Aleque]

Bah, so many conditions and bugs, that I might as well just watch the end results and conversations on Youtube, and ignore the subplots+romances. I can't believe that there are still so many bugs after so long time.

I am greatful for the replies though

That mod is tempting, but it's also tempting to stick to the original game rules... but, after so many bugs (mentioned earlier), it's tempting to bend the rules, as well.

Modifié par Aleque, 19 novembre 2010 - 02:44 .

[Crimmsonwind]

Aleque wrote...

Bah, so many conditions and bugs, that I might as well just watch the end results and conversations on Youtube, and ignore the subplots+romances. I can't believe that there are still so many bugs after so long time.

I am greatful for the replies though

That mod is tempting, but it's also tempting to stick to the original game rules... but, after so many bugs (mentioned earlier), it's tempting to bend the rules, as well.

They're supposed to be people, of course there are going to be conditions. Did you really think you'd be able to just sleep with everyone without anyone getting a bit miffed?

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 19 novembre 2010 - 02:48 .

[ejoslin]

Aleque wrote...

Bah, so many conditions and bugs, that I might as well just watch the end results and conversations on Youtube, and ignore the subplots+romances. I can't believe that there are still so many bugs after so long time.

I am greatful for the replies though

That mod is tempting, but it's also tempting to stick to the original game rules... but, after so many bugs (mentioned earlier), it's tempting to bend the rules, as well.

Using a mod like mine actually lets you play the game as intended.  Leliana and Zevran both have bad bugs in their romances as well and you won't necessarily see what was written for them in an unmodded game.  

Edit; i do like that you can't get away with just sleeping around as well.  it makes all the romances much more believable.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 02:58 .

[Aleque]

Well, I would like a set of rules I can follow, but since those rules are chaotic and unpredictable, it's hard sometimes to take choises without knowing the outcome Like with Liliana in my first playthrough. I didn't know the rules, I got her to 100+ Adore and could not sleep with her.

[Aleque]

ejoslin wrote...

Aleque wrote...

Bah, so many conditions and bugs, that I might as well just watch the end results and conversations on Youtube, and ignore the subplots+romances. I can't believe that there are still so many bugs after so long time.

I am greatful for the replies though

That mod is tempting, but it's also tempting to stick to the original game rules... but, after so many bugs (mentioned earlier), it's tempting to bend the rules, as well.

Using a mod like mine actually lets you play the game as intended.  Leliana and Zevran both have bad bugs in their romances as well and you won't necessarily see what was written for them in an unmodded game.  

Edit; i do like that you can't get away with just sleeping around as well.  it makes all the romances much more believable.

Sorry to asking stupidly, but where do I find your mod? And yeah, I have nothing against that realism, that they won't allow for me to cheat on them, it's just - the bugs and unpredictable results that makes me paranoid enough to keep making new backup saves after every single dialogue. Like with Morrigan. I have completed her quest, but when I got her the Grimoire I still could not bed her. 

[Crimmsonwind]

You must be doing something weird, because I've never had a hard time sleeping with anyone, and I don't analyze these charts and conversations on the Wiki. It all seems pretty straightforward and natural to me.

Are you doing their personal quests? Are you talking to them every time you go to the camp? Are you visiting the camp enough? Maybe you should try not getting everyone's approval so high, just focusing on who you'd like to romance this time around. Or pick the dialogue choices that aren't flirty for the people you don't want to romance.

Also, I don't know if you need the mirror for Morrigan's romance, but it couldn't hurt to give it to her. You might need to just wait a while, it sounds like you're really trying to jump into the tent with her.

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 19 novembre 2010 - 03:06 .

[ejoslin]

The rules make perfect sense.



Leliana needs to be in love in order to sleep with the warden.

Alistair, who is a virgin, needs to be at at least adore for him to sleep with the warden, and he needs to be in love before he'll suggest it.



Morrigan needs to be at "care" (I believe) before sleeping with the warden (51+), though she propositions him at that point.

Zevran needs to be at "interested" in order to invite him to the tent, but he won't initiate it until 71+ adore.



For Alistair and Leliana, sex is the final consummation of the relationship so to speak, but it makes sense that Alistair has a lower approval rating necessary. he is a guy, and he is looking to fall in love. He believes he's in love at that point, even if he is not yet in love.



For Morrigan and Zevran, falling in love was the last thing either wanted, so of course, falling in love will have them conflicted about sex. Zevran is able to work through it, Morrigan does not. However, Zevran requires a commitment in order to go back to the tent (a real promise of the future, perhaps an engagement depending on earlier dialog choices) whereas Morrigan cannot ask for that because she has her own plans.



Jealousy rules are basically the same, except Leliana has a lower threshold for the first confrontation.



I like that they're all different. Though i will admit, in my one male playthrough, I found Leliana and Morrigan seriously confusing and still ended up with Zevran.

[ejoslin]

Aleque wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Aleque wrote...

Bah, so many conditions and bugs, that I might as well just watch the end results and conversations on Youtube, and ignore the subplots+romances. I can't believe that there are still so many bugs after so long time.

I am greatful for the replies though

That mod is tempting, but it's also tempting to stick to the original game rules... but, after so many bugs (mentioned earlier), it's tempting to bend the rules, as well.

Using a mod like mine actually lets you play the game as intended.  Leliana and Zevran both have bad bugs in their romances as well and you won't necessarily see what was written for them in an unmodded game.  

Edit; i do like that you can't get away with just sleeping around as well.  it makes all the romances much more believable.

Sorry to asking stupidly, but where do I find your mod? And yeah, I have nothing against that realism, that they won't allow for me to cheat on them, it's just - the bugs and unpredictable results that makes me paranoid enough to keep making new backup saves after every single dialogue. Like with Morrigan. I have completed her quest, but when I got her the Grimoire I still could not bed her. 

The first link in my signature.  Zevran Dialog Fix.

Edit; I do not fix morrigan, however.  Terra_ex has a fantastic mod out there that fixes her, morrigan restoration patch fix pack.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 03:09 .

[sylvanaerie]

Cmessaz's Leliana Mod fixes Leli's broken stuff too, including the weird ninja romance she pulls to a Queen Cousland after landsmeet and fixes her Companion Quest so it is triggerable at any level of approval (It was previously bugged to undoable if you reached too high in approval with her to trigger the convo). It also adds a sweet kiss option in camp!  And if hardened it fixes her now to where she will remain with the HNM as his mistress if he marries Anora.  (not certain if this works on female Cousland marrying Alistair for politics).
http://social.biowar...m/project/2902/

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 19 novembre 2010 - 04:08 .

[Aleque]

Ok thanks. I have read about Terra_Ex' mod. Looks like it must be installed before I kill Flemeth, but I have already done that and I am a significant part further in the game... suddenly I don't feel like playing Dragon Age

[ejoslin]

One thing i will say about this -- my current version of my mod does fix a bit more than cmessaz's so i would recommend mine over hers, especially if using dialog tweaks. in particular, there is one conversation that is completely messed up -- the post-marjolaine one, especially for males, even with the standard fix included (this causes an awful bug for males doing the romance). Also, several of her comments in that conversation go to the wrong gender. i do believe that cmessaz is planning on incorporating my fixes to her next version, so i would recommend hers after she does that but for now, for bug fixes, i do recommend mine.

the only fix i do not have in my non-dialog tweaks version is the problem with not being able to get her personal quest at adore. since most people use dialog tweaks who romance her, i didn't give it much thought.

cmessaz's work is great, do not get me wrong. And i look forward to her getting her new version out (I hope she comes back soon).

edit; to be clear, for the amazing kiss, i recommend hers.  it's just that her fixes ended up being VERY tricky and cause some problems for males romancing her which is why, for a bug fix mod, i recommend mine.  *grin* I'm really proud of myself for getting her sorted out.  It was a LOT of work and testing.  So i will be happy when those fixes are used in the romance mods as well.  All the love interests deserve the dialogs working properly.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 04:40 .

[Bruddajakka]

That bug being fixed still annoys me since you can't use the line to restart the romance. ><

[Terra_Ex]

ejoslin wrote...
Morrigan's romance can always be started by giving her the mirror, even if there's been a prior breakup -- and at least one of her breakups is bugged so it doesn't stick.  Since you can restart her romance with the mirror after triggering the jealousy dialogs, it's possible to have both her and Leliana romanced.  this won't work with Zevran as it will bug his dialog.

Hmmm, maybe that's something that I'll fix for the new version, I've left it as is for a while but it's a glaring oversight tbh.

[sylvanaerie]

Hmm I ran her fix on my last HNM run and had no problems with Cmessaz's mod. It performed as I expected it to (I am one of Cmessaz's beta testers).  If it has issues, I am not informed of them.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 19 novembre 2010 - 04:49 .

[Bruddajakka]

Terra_Ex wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Morrigan's romance can always be started by giving her the mirror, even if there's been a prior breakup -- and at least one of her breakups is bugged so it doesn't stick.  Since you can restart her romance with the mirror after triggering the jealousy dialogs, it's possible to have both her and Leliana romanced.  this won't work with Zevran as it will bug his dialog.

Hmmm, maybe that's something that I'll fix for the new version, I've left it as is for a while but it's a glaring oversight tbh.

Let's not. Far as I can tell every romance is supposed to have a way to restart it. It just ended up being coded into the game really poorly. Removing all of those makes it really frustrating if somebody decides they've changed thier minds, and is wanting to switch back. The options there more then likely because it's supposed to be there.

Modifié par Bruddajakka, 19 novembre 2010 - 04:59 .

[Aleque]

I have already watched the videos of Morrigans banters and conversations here http://dragonagenexu...ile.php?id=1120 (I assume those are the highlights of what she has to say)



I really can't be assed with all that patching, fixing, reverting back to my old save, etc, etc. I am pretty annoyed that BioWare didn't fix those important things, and that users had to clean up after them, but that is what you get for making allies with crappy EA-Games.



As to the dilemma. **** it. I will break up with others, and go gay with Zevran. Revenge time!