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[sylvanaerie]

Well I still have that "Joker who filled their water coolers with bongwater at the wrap party following Landsmeet" theory. The after landsmeet is full of awful bugs and messed up dialogues and what not.

But probably best to just go gay with Zevran.  Ejo's fix is really good for him and from what I can tell his romance really kicks into high gear after (or around) the Landsmeet anyway.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 19 novembre 2010 - 05:04 .

[Bruddajakka]

Aleque wrote...

I have already watched the videos of Morrigans banters and conversations here http://dragonagenexu...ile.php?id=1120 (I assume those are the highlights of what she has to say)

I really can't be assed with all that patching, fixing, reverting back to my old save, etc, etc. I am pretty annoyed that BioWare didn't fix those important things, and that users had to clean up after them, but that is what you get for making allies with crappy EA-Games.

As to the dilemma. **** it. I will break up with others, and go gay with Zevran. Revenge time!

What's your issue with EA? They'va actually become a pretty good company in the best couple of years.

[Aleque]

Let's just say that the only reason I am buying a game with their logo on, is because BioWare's logo on the same game, comforts me.



I have wasted too much cash in my past, buying buggy EA games with around 1 week of playtime as average.

[Terra_Ex]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Morrigan's romance can always be started by giving her the mirror, even if there's been a prior breakup -- and at least one of her breakups is bugged so it doesn't stick.  Since you can restart her romance with the mirror after triggering the jealousy dialogs, it's possible to have both her and Leliana romanced.  this won't work with Zevran as it will bug his dialog.

Hmmm, maybe that's something that I'll fix for the new version, I've left it as is for a while but it's a glaring oversight tbh.

Let's not. Far as I can tell every romance is supposed to have a way to restart it. It just ended up being coded into the game really poorly. Removing all of those makes it really frustrating if somebody decides they've changed thier minds, and is wanting to switch back. The options there more then likely because it's supposed to be there.

I think whatever was originally planned was likely more ambitious, there are separate flags for things getting cutoff and whether it can be restarted, however the implementation of these flags across all companions is... haphazard at best. Not a major issue really but I'll give it some thought.

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah though it isn't really hurting anything for it to be there. As far as bugs goes it's a minor one.



I mean **** there were bugs that totally ignored the fact you hardened someone.

[ejoslin]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Hmm I ran her fix on my last HNM run and had no problems with Cmessaz's mod. It performed as I expected it to (I am one of Cmessaz's beta testers).  If it has issues, I am not informed of them.

I can tell you the issues if you'd like.  She's aware of them as well now.  Unless she got a new version out after we discussed it they're not in her mod.  I'm NOT putting down her mod in any way, shape or form.  unless you know you're getting the incorrect dialog, you will not know it (obviously) and not all paths lead to incorrect dialogs.  And her mod IS fantastic.  

trust me, leliana was tough to fix because the way her dialogs were laid out are very convoluted and fixing them was not intuitive (things that looked like the should work actually do not work quite as they should, and a couple of incorrectly coded flags exasperate the problem).  she still works better than vanilla.

I probably shouldn't have said anything about this :/  It was not meant as an insult at all.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:04 .

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, not all romances are meant to be able to restart. i'm convinced that males only have one shot at Leliana, for instance. the problem is, there are two places where her romance should be startable -- many bug fixes take out one of those. Females, however, should be able to restart her romance.

Zevran, most likely not. there is a bug with him in one case where you can restart it, but it is most definitely a bug (the flag romance_ended_can_not_restart is used, pretty clear, yet this does not actually cut off the romance, so it can be restarted). After he falls in love, you may be able to restart it as well, but this happens late in the game -- him falling in love that is, so if you break up with him then, you're most likely not going to want to restart it.

Alistair, most definitely not. there is only one case where you can, and that is if he breaks up with a warden after they have a particular fight.

Morrigan, most definitely you are able to start the romance again.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 05:35 .

[roundcrow]

I got caught out with the Leliana approval bug during my first playthrough, so I ended up breaking up with her so that the quest would trigger. My HNF was a little put out by this and consoled herself with a speedy Zevran romance. I think I got the earring after about five RL minutes.

What? She was very charming.

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Modifié par roundcrow, 19 novembre 2010 - 05:39 .

[Aleque]

Let me ask you a question. How did you even know that there was a part of dialogue missing, before making that mod? If some event or dialogue was abscent in the game, I would have never known that it existed in the first place.

[ejoslin]

roundcrow wrote...

I got caught out with the Leliana approval bug during my first playthrough, so I ended up breaking up with her so that the quest would trigger. My HNF was a little put out by this and consoled herself with a speedy Zevran romance. I think I got the earring after about five RL minutes.

What? She was very charming.

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Earring is not the last part of Zevran's romance, though...

[ejoslin]

Aleque wrote...

Let me ask you a question. How did you even know that there was a part of dialogue missing, before making that mod? If some event or dialogue was abscent in the game, I would have never known that it existed in the first place.

I knew there were problems because of the way the game played.  From there it was a matter of looking at the appropriate files and making fixes to either the dialog file or the scripts.  Many of the errors are obvious.  many of them are not-so-obvious.  i got a lot of help from people as well.

edit; for example, with Leliana, there is a very easy way to not get her confession of love to trigger so a lot of people miss that dialog.  It's also a very easy fix, but one that is difficult to spot. not all of her breakups stick, that's also easy to fix but easy to miss.  her hardened dialog used the wrong flag.  a couple of flags used for various things were coded incorrectly.  her post-marjolaine conversation, she's not supposed to compare a male warden to marjolaine at all, but due to a conversation bug and due to an incorrectly coded flag, in certain cases she was.  An incorrectly coded flag was causing a breakup dialog to trigger for all wardens, even if not involved with her.  and there are a lot more.  they're little, but the change the tone of the romance for sure.  Can it be played with these bugs?  sure, and it's still beautiful.  But i think it's a lot more meaningful if they're fixed.

Zevran giving the wrong dialog at the gates was huge.  zevran not falling in love due to a bug is huge.  Zevran not giving his earring in when it's a proposal is huge.  Zevran calling a female warden a man, and vice versa, huge.  Zevran's pre-sexytime not having kisses, not huge, but still a bug.  I loved Zevran's romance even before i knew about these bugs, but i love the romance even more after i fixed them.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:02 .

[Aleque]

roundcrow wrote...

I got caught out with the Leliana approval bug during my first playthrough, so I ended up breaking up with her so that the quest would trigger. My HNF was a little put out by this and consoled herself with a speedy Zevran romance. I think I got the earring after about five RL minutes.

What? She was very charming.

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Yes, I experienced exactly the same on my first playthrough. Had +100 Adore with her, but there were nothing I could talk to her about. Then I followed this guide and it fixed it.


The problem I am having with Morrigan right now is this. I have 97+ Warm approval with her. I have killed Flemeth and I have Flemeth's Grimoire. Since Morrigan won't sleep with you because of too high approval (at least that is what I read), I talked to her few times, asking her "I'd like to discuss something personal." > "Why are you still here?". That way I lowered her Approval with 10-20 points, by repeating this little routine.

Then I give her the Grimoire and she says that she will begin studying it.

Next time I talk to her she says:

" 'Tis a curious thing. I do not know how else to describe it"

Then she says that she is reminded about when we first met, and she compliments me.

Then after few answers, she says something like: "Do you suppose we have become friends? I have nothing to compare it to." and I answer "I was hoping to become more than friends"

AND THEN she says:

"Except that there is another, so friends we must remain" <-- so what do I do about that? As far as I know, I have not declared any relationship with either Zevran or Leliana, which I have high approval with... I have tried talking to them both and telling them that we can't be in relationship, but then Morrigans conversation (which I just described), won't trigger at all.

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ejoslin which file should I install from your mod-page?

Modifié par Aleque, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[ejoslin]

leliana must be at adore (71+) or higher in order to get that.

Edit: if you're not using dialog tweaks, i'd install ZDF complete v2.  If you're using dialog tweaks, the DT compatible version.  There are no fixes to morrigan in that file, though.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:09 .

[Aleque]

I am not sure what you mean by dialogue tweaks. I have no installed mods so far that alter or fix dialogue.



Will it work if I install both "ZDF Complete v2" and Morrigan Restore Patch from Terra_Ex?

[ejoslin]

They will work together. I think you cannot install his if you've started her personal quest but have not yet finished it, but he can give you more details than I can about this.

Let me know if you need any help installing. mine must be installed manually -- i don't have a DAzip version out. If you're installing terra_ex's manually (as opposed to using a mod manager), you do need to delete a file from his (party_events.dlg -- keep the one in ZDF -- this fixes the gates dialog and has the fix to morrigan in it as well as quite a few other fixes).  If using the DAZip version of his mod, ours will work perfectly together.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:17 .

[Terra_Ex]

It should be safe to install mine so long as you haven't gone to confront Flemeth (I've had reports saying it works fine regardless but that's my official line on the matter). Since the fixes are quite extensive and affect both scripts and dialogue it's primarilly intended to be applied to new games rather than those that are mid-way through.



One thing that you absolutely should not do is remove the mod after obtaining the real grimoire but before giving it to Morrigan.



Yeah, the DAZIP version is fine unless you're using other mods that alter Morrigan's dialogue (these will clash with my changes), in which case I'd advise the manual install version. I'm sure there's some kind of guide on how the override system works floating about somewhere - probably on DA Nexus, I don't want to explain it here as my explanation will likely confuse you more than help you.

[Aleque]

Thanks I will try

Little update on my Morrigan issue. I killed Zev, told Leliana to get the hell out of my camp and using Morrigan Restoration mod (maybe it works without it too) , I was able to bed Morrigan... hmm looks like either Zevran or Leliana count as "in relationship" with me. Zevrans approval is Adore. Can it be that's why? And how do I tackle the situation to get the most out of it?

EDIT; Another update

Looks like it was Liliana. I kissed her, then broke up with her, and then after giving Grimoire to Morrigan, I was able to do her.

So.. the question is then.. should I do Leliana, break up with her, do same with Zev, and then part at Morrigan... sigh - this is a rocket science...

Modifié par Aleque, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:48 .

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, i thought the dialog you were getting was triggered by Leliana being at adore. Perhaps it does with Zevran as well. Morrigan does NOT share.



How you get the most out of it depends on what you want! All three romances are fantastic, but you will not see the ending to both morrigan and Zevran in the same playthrough. Zevran doesn't fall in love until quite late in the game, and you need to invite him to the tent to get his confession of love, so just avoiding clicking on your partners won't work.



I'd honestly suggest doing three play throughs with different romance partners. they're all fantastic stories.

[Terra_Ex]

I know in the jealously dialogue for Morrigan there was a bug in the script affecting a certain branch that incorrectly required the player to be in a romance with both Leliana & Zevran to trigger it... It wasn't affecting the "'Tis a curious thing" branch though. For the branch you're talking about, yes either Zev & Leli at adore will count as an active romance with them.

And I agree with ejoslin, all the romances are well written and should be experienced separately imo, though the Morri/Leli catfights are worth seeing.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:50 .

[Aleque]

Dragon Age is a great game, but I am seriously getting tired of it. Especially tired of the thought of having to start all over again and do the same quests, areas, etc, just for the sake of romance.

All of the replies in this thread are great and helpful and I appreciate them, but it made me realize how many bugs there are and that I am not able to simply enjoy the game now, knowing about those bugs.

Modifié par Aleque, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:53 .

[Terra_Ex]

I space out my playthroughs rather than getting burned out on back to back runs, just play something else and come back to it later. I usually leave at least something to do in most of my games then I know there is *something* to come back to when I revisit the game at a later date.

[sylvanaerie]

Terra_Ex wrote...

I know in the jealously dialogue for Morrigan there was a bug in the script affecting a certain branch that incorrectly required the player to be in a romance with both Leliana & Zevran to trigger it... It wasn't affecting the "'Tis a curious thing" branch though. For the branch you're talking about, yes either Zev & Leli at adore will count as an active romance with them.

And I agree with ejoslin, all the romances are well written and should be experienced separately imo, though the Morri/Leli catfights are worth seeing.

Am I weird but this for me was the funnest part of the two romances...I kept them both at "interested but below 50" and then ran to Orzammar with them in group to hit banter points and get their convos.  Morrigan's teasing Alistair about her 'stealing away his favorite warden' was really cute too!

[Aleque]

I think I'm going to see those banters on youtube. Loading times are killing me

Modifié par Aleque, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:57 .

[ejoslin]

Oh, I love the jealousy discussions -- I WAY prefer getting that with Zevran than just the straight poetry reading. but it's how they end which is what makes them very special in either happy or sad ways.  And only if you try really hard will you see more than one.  though I suppose you could take Leliana to the completion of her romance, and then dump her and do one of the other love interests.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 07:14 .

[Aleque]

Are there any formulas available, on how the jealousy works?

I am still not sure about what really determines, whether I am in relationship with a particular character or not. And at how much approval towards me will a character begin being jealous? And does their personal quest affects this in any way?