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[Shinannigan]

crockerspaniel wrote...

Yeah Shinannigan's definitely has the location right on this. The way I was looking at it was as if it's way higher up, so the fence looked like buildings more to me, but now that you point out the pattern there, it looks right.
Also this isn't ME3, the trailer says "From the makers of Mass Effect". I don't think you'd need to say something like, "From the makers of Mass Effect 1 & 2, here's a brand new game called Mass Effect 3".
It doesn't rule out it being a spin-off in the ME universe but it's definitely not ME3. Plus we already knew there would be an ME3, it's not a new mysterious game.

I follow your logic, but I'm convinced that it's set in teh ME universe. There's no proof, but the Incisor, the people's haircuts and clothing are strong evidence in my eyes. While I still believe that it's ME3, I do agree with you in so far as it might just as well be a (multiplayer) spinoff of ME.

But it can't very well be a new IP, because Bioware already has ME3 (we know that, it just hasn't been officially announced yet), DA2 and TOR in development and even they have to reach the limit of their capacities at some point. Plus they probably wouldn't want to have too many IPs at the same time lest they become their own competition.

[wickedwizzard01]

crockerspaniel wrote...

Yeah Shinannigan's definitely has the location right on this. The way I was looking at it was as if it's way higher up, so the fence looked like buildings more to me, but now that you point out the pattern there, it looks right.
Also this isn't ME3, the trailer says "From the makers of Mass Effect". I don't think you'd need to say something like, "From the makers of Mass Effect 1 & 2, here's a brand new game called Mass Effect 3".
It doesn't rule out it being a spin-off in the ME universe but it's definitely not ME3. Plus we already knew there would be an ME3, it's not a new mysterious game.

i guess  this is far more likely than Saying it is ME3
i do not think it is ME3 at all more like Shattered Steel sequel or a new IP

[Shinannigan]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

EatChildren wrote...

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

hell i don't think it will be an ME title at all
dunno where the op seeing the incisor sniper rifle since i don't see it anywhere

To repeat what myself and others have said a thousand times over, it is the Incisor Rifle art asset slightly altered in texture and a removed chunk at the front. It is, without a shred of doubt, the Incisor Rifle with those minor changes.

Check the Op. I link to pictures that blatantly point it out. If you cant see it after those, you're blind.

then i guess i am blind
aparenly if they showed you a pic of a 6 wheel vehicle that looks nothing like the Mako you would still find something like '' hey it has 6 wheels .... it has to be mass effect3  since it is clearly a modified version of the Mako''

since you are doing the same with the Incisor rifle

Still don't see it?
Apart from the front being slightly shorter and it not being bright blue, which probably would look odd in a render trailer in this post-apokalypt-ish setting, it's the same rifle.

Credit goes to Shinobi602 for the images (I think).

Modifié par Shinannigan, 10 décembre 2010 - 07:12 .

[crockerspaniel]

Dude, the sniper that he has looks exactly like it. We've had pictures up here actually highlighting the small details that were the same and showed side on stills of the guns. It's the incisor.



As for Masden, the pics of him there he's smiling. He might have bigger lips when he's not smiling and has his mouth open.

[Shinannigan]

crockerspaniel wrote...

As for Masden, the pics of him there he's smiling. He might have bigger lips when he's not smiling and has his mouth open.

Hmmm... I guess. The nose sure looks like him, now that I had another look at the extreme-close-up of the sniper.

[szkasypcze]

wicked wizzard is just to stubborn to see it. I want to read what you will post after it shows that it is Mass Effect related.

One more day. In Poland it's evening of 10th you know.

[EatChildren]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

then i guess i am blind
aparenly if they showed you a pic of a 6 wheel vehicle that looks nothing like the Mako you would still find something like '' hey it has 6 wheels .... it has to be mass effect3  since it is clearly a modified version of the Mako''

since you are doing the same with the Incisor rifle

Err, no. Its literally the Incisor Rifle, with a couple of changes. Like, not "oh man it looks kinda like the Incisor Rifle!", but is the Incisor Rifle. The little details. The shapes. The nooks. The curves. The small touches here and there that define the gun's style.

They're 1:1 exactly the same, the teaser rifle and the model. Its the same gun.

I dont even know why I'm debating this. Its glaringly obvious.

[Shinannigan]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

crockerspaniel wrote...

Yeah Shinannigan's definitely has the location right on this. The way I was looking at it was as if it's way higher up, so the fence looked like buildings more to me, but now that you point out the pattern there, it looks right.
Also this isn't ME3, the trailer says "From the makers of Mass Effect". I don't think you'd need to say something like, "From the makers of Mass Effect 1 & 2, here's a brand new game called Mass Effect 3".
It doesn't rule out it being a spin-off in the ME universe but it's definitely not ME3. Plus we already knew there would be an ME3, it's not a new mysterious game.

i guess  this is far more likely than Saying it is ME3
i do not think it is ME3 at all more like Shattered Steel sequel or a new IP

I don't think it's Shattered Steel because:
1. Bioware has 3 active IPs at the moment. They've got their plate full.
2. Shattered Steel is an ancient IP - not much sense in continuing it, might as well do something completely new.
3. Shattered Steel was a Mech game, and while the Teaser only shows a tiny part of the final trailer and there might very well be mechs in the final trailer (pretty sure there won't, though), Mech games are sooo 90's and are a genre that's even more dead than Adventures. Unless Bioware is trying to bring a dead genre back, which would be an Experiment I don't see EA spearheading, it wouldn't make much sense to continue a Mech based IP.
4. The Incisor is the most blatant of a very small amount of evidence that points more towards ME than away from it.

[SmokePants]

Shinannigan wrote...

I don't think so. The lines next to the eyes look the same, but thats true for anyone who squints while taking aim. The lips look completely different: Michael Madsen doesn't have any, basically, whereas the sniper has a full set of 'em.

So, you're going to discount the hairline, the brow, the cheekbone, the nose, the forehead, the jawline, and the chin, just because you don't think the mouth matches up?

Here, check out this picture:

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:V-YIldjTnKsaCM:http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/SONOFDONCD/NeoGAF%20-%20Random/MirandaLawsonvsYvonneStrahovski.png&t=1[/img]

Mouth doesn't match. I guess Miranda wasn't based off of Yvonne?

The face isn't going to be a perfect match. An artist has to model it to match photo references and the end result may not match other photo references. There is also artistic license to exaggerate some features and buff out others, givng the character the appropriate age. There are also technical limitations, such as texture and normal map size and facial animation rigging to consider. The lips probably have to be more drawn out in order to animate properly.

One thing I can say with 1000% certainty: this is a character that an artist spent time on. He is not some random NPC.

Modifié par SmokePants, 10 décembre 2010 - 07:33 .

[Shinannigan]

SmokePants wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

I don't think so. The lines next to the eyes look the same, but thats true for anyone who squints while taking aim. The lips look completely different: Michael Madsen doesn't have any, basically, whereas the sniper has a full set of 'em.

So, you're going to discount the hairline, the brow, the cheekbone, the nose, the forehead, the jawline, and the chin, just because you don't think the mouth matches up?

Here, check out this picture:

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:V-YIldjTnKsaCM:http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/SONOFDONCD/NeoGAF%20-%20Random/MirandaLawsonvsYvonneStrahovski.png&t=1[/img]

Mouth doesn't match. I guess Miranda wasn't based off of Yvonne?

The face isn't going to be a perfect match. An artist has to model it to match photo references and the end result may not match other photo references. There is also artistic license to exaggerate some features and buff out others. And there are also technical limitations, such as texture and normal map size and facial animation rigging to consider. The lips have to be more drawn out in order to animate properly.

I've already conceded that it might actually be him. So if it's announced that it actually is him, I won't be surprised nor will I stand for people rubbing my face in it. I don't see it quite yet, however, but I was willing to believe in the Big Ben as the Sniper's location long before we pretty much proved it with the new still, which understandably, was too far of a reach for others.
So I see where you're coming from and wouldn't mind it one bit if Michael Madsen lends his face and voice to whatever this is (ME3).

Modifié par Shinannigan, 10 décembre 2010 - 07:33 .

[wickedwizzard01]

Shinannigan wrote...

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

EatChildren wrote...

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

hell i don't think it will be an ME title at all
dunno where the op seeing the incisor sniper rifle since i don't see it anywhere

To repeat what myself and others have said a thousand times over, it is the Incisor Rifle art asset slightly altered in texture and a removed chunk at the front. It is, without a shred of doubt, the Incisor Rifle with those minor changes.

Check the Op. I link to pictures that blatantly point it out. If you cant see it after those, you're blind.

then i guess i am blind
aparenly if they showed you a pic of a 6 wheel vehicle that looks nothing like the Mako you would still find something like '' hey it has 6 wheels .... it has to be mass effect3  since it is clearly a modified version of the Mako''

since you are doing the same with the Incisor rifle

Still don't see it?
Apart from the front being slightly shorter and it not being bright blue, which probably would look odd in a render trailer in this post-apokalypt-ish setting, it's the same rifle.

Credit goes to Shinobi602 for the images (I think).

ok So maybe... it is the Incisor but even if it is there is absolutely no proof it will be ME3
yep i've seen those close ups before..but i am still not convinced it is the incisor 
there are some similarities but i still believe it  is more likely to be
a- a totally new IP
b- sequel to Shattered Steel 
c- ME spinoff (hopefully without MP/co-op) but if it has than so be it

[Shinannigan]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

ok So maybe... it is the Incisor but even if it is there is absolutely no proof it will be ME3
yep i've seen those close ups before..but i am still not convinced it is the incisor 
there are some similarities but i still believe it  is more likely to be
a- a totally new IP
b- sequel to Shattered Steel 
c- ME spinoff (hopefully without MP/co-op) but if it has than so be it

No, it's not proof. But it is evidence.
All it is is the Incisor, exactly the same art asset from ME2. So Bioware used that art asset in the new trailer. That's a fact. However, they might have recycled that art asset for a completely different game, sure.
However, they also used exactly the same crosshairs for sniper rifles as in ME2, which can be seen in the newest still. The combination of these two solid facts points towards ME, unless Bioware intentionally wanted to lead us in the wrong direction, which is entirely possible given their Red Herring clue. But for a coincidence or laziness on behalf of Bioware it's just too much.

[wickedwizzard01]

well i know i am hard to convince yes...
but i also heard someone say that it was a young version of Zaeed(yeah right)
well if it is then he had major facial surgery or it is a DLC that is set before ME/ Blue Suns
sort of a flashback thingy it is a possibillity i gues, i doubt it but still...
i am 100% sure it is not ME3


EDIT:
LOL i've said the same thing about ME never appearing on PS3 
heck we al know how that went:P:whistle:

Modifié par wickedwizzard01, 10 décembre 2010 - 07:58 .

[crockerspaniel]

Guys just noticed,

December 11 = 11/12. 11 + 12 = 23.

There's 3 shots of N7 in the ME2 part. 7*3 + 2 = 23

The sniper has 23 hexagons on his armor!

2010 VGA's 8ET/5PT -> '10 + 8 + 5 = 23



Jim Carey is the sniper!

[Shinannigan]

crockerspaniel wrote...

Guys just noticed,
December 11 = 11/12. 11 + 12 = 23.
There's 3 shots of N7 in the ME2 part. 7*3 + 2 = 23
The sniper has 23 hexagons on his armor!
2010 VGA's 8ET/5PT -> '10 + 8 + 5 = 23

Jim Carey is the sniper!

LOL

Coinkidink? I don't think so!

[royceclemens]

ME3 is the only thing that makes any logical sense to be announced tomorrow.



-It's not too early for an ME3 announcement. According to Hudson and Christina Norman's Twitter feed, they've been working on it for a while now. Plus, these announcements have a habit of taking a year to come to any kind of fruition. Bear in mind that the VGAs had the first announcement of Arkham City... A year ago... And it still isn't out.



-Montreal just upped its staff, so it's too early for anything from them. Austin is still tooling on TOR (even without the benefit of a release date). If it were from Mythic, they'd have said it was from Mythic. That leaves Edmonton and, as I've said, we know they've been working on ME3 for a while. This also rules out any spin-off that could be made. Discarding the fact that releasing a spin-off before the story is complete is a stupid idea, there's no one left to work on it. Everyone's busy.



-"Why would they announce it as 'From the Makers of Mass Effect' if it's a Mass Effect game?" TONS OF REASONS! It's their most popular game, for starters. Plus if they just said "From the makers of Dragon Age and KOTOR," we'd have known right away that it was ME3 and there'd have been no surprise. And how did they advertise the announcement of Bioshock Infinite? "From Irrational Games, THE MAKERS OF BIOSHOCK!"



-It makes no sense for it to be Shattered Steel 2. Why in the name of all that is holy and decent would they release a sequel to a game released in 1996 that everyone stopped giving a s--t about in 1997 and expect us all to be happy about it by making it look as much like ME3 as humanly possible? If it were Shattered Steel 2, they'd have just had a no-drama announcement made to IGN or Gamespot. And, again, everyone's busy. There's no one to work on it.



ME3 is the simplest explanation. It's clear, logical and has the fewest syllables. And you know what they say about the simplest explanation.

[crockerspaniel]

But they didn't need to say from the makers of anything. If they announced ME3, I think we'd all know who was putting it out.

Modifié par crockerspaniel, 10 décembre 2010 - 08:15 .

[shinobi602]

It will be Mass Effect 3. Watch.

Rumor: Mass Effect 3 to be revealed at the VGAs, will include multiplayer
Joystiq has learned from a trusted source that BioWare's enigmatic teaser from last month represents the first glimpse of Mass Effect 3. As many have guessed, the third installment looks to feature something brand new to the series: multiplayer. We're currently unable to confirm that the multiplayer component will be part of the game's unveiling at the upcoming Spike Video Game Awards.

www.joystiq.com/2010/12/09/rumor-mass-effect-3-to-be-revealed-at-the-vgas-will-include-mu/

Modifié par shinobi602, 10 décembre 2010 - 08:21 .

[crockerspaniel]

shinobi602 wrote...

It will be Mass Effect 3. Watch.

Rumor: Mass Effect 3 to be revealed at the VGAs, will include multiplayer

Nothing but a rumour.

[wickedwizzard01]

royceclemens wrote...

ME3 is the only thing that makes any logical sense to be announced tomorrow.

-It's not too early for an ME3 announcement. According to Hudson and Christina Norman's Twitter feed, they've been working on it for a while now. Plus, these announcements have a habit of taking a year to come to any kind of fruition. Bear in mind that the VGAs had the first announcement of Arkham City... A year ago... And it still isn't out.

-Montreal just upped its staff, so it's too early for anything from them. Austin is still tooling on TOR (even without the benefit of a release date). If it were from Mythic, they'd have said it was from Mythic. That leaves Edmonton and, as I've said, we know they've been working on ME3 for a while. This also rules out any spin-off that could be made. Discarding the fact that releasing a spin-off before the story is complete is a stupid idea, there's no one left to work on it. Everyone's busy.

-"Why would they announce it as 'From the Makers of Mass Effect' if it's a Mass Effect game?" TONS OF REASONS! It's their most popular game, for starters. Plus if they just said "From the makers of Dragon Age and KOTOR," we'd have known right away that it was ME3 and there'd have been no surprise. And how did they advertise the announcement of Bioshock Infinite? "From Irrational Games, THE MAKERS OF BIOSHOCK!"

-It makes no sense for it to be Shattered Steel 2. Why in the name of all that is holy and decent would they release a sequel to a game released in 1996 that everyone stopped giving a s--t about in 1997 and expect us all to be happy about it by making it look as much like ME3 as humanly possible? If it were Shattered Steel 2, they'd have just had a no-drama announcement made to IGN or Gamespot. And, again, everyone's busy. There's no one to work on it.

ME3 is the simplest explanation. It's clear, logical and has the fewest syllables. And you know what they say about the simplest explanation.

yep it's mostly true but still...
it won't be ME3 
they know everyone wants it to be ME3 including me 
but i do not believe it to be so but it still leaves the possibility  for a new  DLC 
since they have said there would be some to linkup ME2 to ME3 
or BW is just putting us on the wrong track and it is some new IP 

[shinobi602]

crockerspaniel wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

It will be Mass Effect 3. Watch.

Rumor: Mass Effect 3 to be revealed at the VGAs, will include multiplayer

Nothing but a rumour.

Yes I know. Almost every time websites "leak" info about an upcoming game at a VGA awards show, it almost always happens. Their "trusted source" is usually right, as with Uncharted 3 being unveiled, and ME2 coming to PS3, etc. These were all "rumors" too, and they usually end up right.

Modifié par shinobi602, 10 décembre 2010 - 08:31 .

[wickedwizzard01]

shinobi602 wrote...

It will be Mass Effect 3. Watch.

Rumor: Mass Effect 3 to be revealed at the VGAs, will include multiplayer
Joystiq has learned from a trusted source that BioWare's enigmatic teaser from last month represents the first glimpse of Mass Effect 3. As many have guessed, the third installment looks to feature something brand new to the series: multiplayer. We're currently unable to confirm that the multiplayer component will be part of the game's unveiling at the upcoming Spike Video Game Awards.

www.joystiq.com/2010/12/09/rumor-mass-effect-3-to-be-revealed-at-the-vgas-will-include-mu/

i guess thats why they call it a rumor.... most of the time they are just that
and for the Multiplayer part alone i sure hope it will not be anything else than a rumor

Modifié par wickedwizzard01, 10 décembre 2010 - 08:37 .

[aergistal]

Shinannigan wrote...
Edit: The problem so far was that most of us (including me) assumed that the green area we saw in the still was the Thames, but it is in fact just a lawn with small stone walls around it and a bigass Fence behind it.

If you look at the top of the fence you can see in the newest still, it looks exactly like the wrought iron fence around the Parliament courtyard.

Thanks to your additional find with the bolt this puzzle is now even more solved than it was yesterday!

Nice find! The trailer scene is clearly inspired by that place. There are many similarities to be just a freak coincidence.

Here's the birdseye view:


Also there's that Clash album clue. The trailer sure has an apocalyptic, London Calling feeling.
"The ice age is coming, the sun's zooming in". Lowest temperature. Sun from ME2 ending.

So we have futuristic ME-like equipment (clothes, armor, rifle) and a present day location (in ruins).

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[crockerspaniel]

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