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[Teknor]

Nerivant wrote...

Because all the old gear looked horrible.

Next old-ism.

Actually static armor is terrible i hated it in ME2. High heeled Miranda and bare skinned Jack on the Flotilla was stupid as hell.

[Nerivant]

Teknor wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

Because all the old gear looked horrible.

Next old-ism.

Actually static armor is terrible i hated it in ME2. High heeled Miranda and bare skinned Jack on the Flotilla was stupid as hell.

That has to do with DAO gear in what way?

[Ziggeh]

haberman13 wrote...

But you are doing what Bioware did for ME2:  people didn't like the inventory -> remove it

vs.

Ok, that wasn't the best, now lets make it the right way (ala good looking gear)

They aren't removing the inventory.

[Teknor]

Nerivant wrote...

That has to do with DAO gear in what way?

I didn't say it has, it has to do with static armor in DA2.

[ErichHartmann]

Speaking of RPG roots, I'm sure there are plenty of older school fans who could successfully argue early text based games were better than Baldur's Gate.

[AlanC9]

haberman13 wrote...

I'm not joking at all. DA2 looks like a lot of fun. I won't buy it because I will be playing Cataclysm instead (quit when I'm max lvl). I'm a sucker for stats and gear, so DA:O was my type of game.

No backhanded insult intended, I kind of had an epiphany while watching a DA2 gameplay video that made me step back and see it for what it was: a fun game. Kind of like Ninja Gaiden (awesome console game back in the day) mixed with DA:O.

ToR on the other hand will be ALL about stats/gear/min-maxing with some Bioware story on top (winning formula IMO).

This is actually quite reasonable. Leaving aside all questions of what is or isn't an RPG, or a Bio-style RPG, or whatever, if stats/gear/min-maxing is what you want from a game then ToR's probably going to be closer than DA2.

A true "DA2" is actually the Witcher 2, from what I've seen of each game at least.

I'm a little confused by this, though. Is TW2 going to be more about inventory than TW1 was? And don't the Witcher games have actual action combat, meaning twitch, unlike either DAO or DA2?

[haberman13]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Krytheos wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...
Indeed, I would like someone to describe what that actually means, because I suspect what they usually mean is "I don't like the sound of it, but have no idea why"

Roots in this context can be taken to mean what the person feels is the 'root' of the game, i.e. old-style RPG mechanics, non-voiced protagonist, what they perceive as their 'roots.'

Aye, I understand what they're trying to refer to, I mean that I've never seen it used when talking about anything specific. It's always wielded in the vague, clumsy way you describe, comparing one thing they know little about to another thing they clearly haven't formalised.

Its cool, there are plenty of people that get frustrated with too much choice, so I understand wanting more focus on the game and less on stats/gear.  Its an opinion thing.  In my opinion, they threw the baby out with the bathwater.  In your opinion this was a good change.  NBD either way, like I said, tons of games out there.

[Ziggeh]

haberman13 wrote...

Its cool, there are plenty of people that get frustrated with too much choice, so I understand wanting more focus on the game and less on stats/gear.  Its an opinion thing.  In my opinion, they threw the baby out with the bathwater.  In your opinion this was a good change.  NBD either way, like I said, tons of games out there.

Your opinion seems to be based on a misunderstanding, so while I appreciate your right to an opinion, it's not one I'm going to place any value upon.

[Nerivant]

Teknor wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

That has to do with DAO gear in what way?

I didn't say it has, it has to do with static armor in DA2.

Uh, how does unrealistic static costumes in space relate to static costumes in a fantasy game, beyond the idea of static costumes?

[haberman13]

AlanC9 wrote...

haberman13 wrote...

I'm not joking at all. DA2 looks like a lot of fun. I won't buy it because I will be playing Cataclysm instead (quit when I'm max lvl). I'm a sucker for stats and gear, so DA:O was my type of game.

No backhanded insult intended, I kind of had an epiphany while watching a DA2 gameplay video that made me step back and see it for what it was: a fun game. Kind of like Ninja Gaiden (awesome console game back in the day) mixed with DA:O.

ToR on the other hand will be ALL about stats/gear/min-maxing with some Bioware story on top (winning formula IMO).

This is actually quite reasonable. Leaving aside all questions of what is or isn't an RPG, or a Bio-style RPG, or whatever, if stats/gear/min-maxing is what you want from a game then ToR's probably going to be closer than DA2.

A true "DA2" is actually the Witcher 2, from what I've seen of each game at least.

I'm a little confused by this, though. Is TW2 going to be more about inventory than TW1 was? And don't the Witcher games have actual action combat, meaning twitch, unlike either DAO or DA2?

Maybe I'm imposing too much ME2 on DA2, but if a similar change occurs I would suggest that W2 is closer to DA:O than ME2/DA2.

Modifié par haberman13, 19 novembre 2010 - 07:53 .

[Ziggeh]

haberman13 wrote...

So, if you really really liked DA:O I would suggest that the Witcher 2 is more a fit for you.  On the other hand if the inventory and all the "strategy" got in your way DA2 would be more your style.

Neither of these things have substantially changed.

[Krytheos]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Speaking of RPG roots, I'm sure there are plenty of older school fans who could successfully argue early text based games were better than Baldur's Gate.

To be perfectly honest, I could argue several MUDs -- Multi-User Dungeons -- as better than Baldur's Gate, and it would be true, but yeah. Roots are roots, no matter how grounded in them you are, it doesn't make you any less stable than the second tree beside you.

[bsbcaer]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Speaking of RPG roots, I'm sure there are plenty of older school fans who could successfully argue early text based games were better than Baldur's Gate.

Wizardry was da bomb yo!  BG had nothing on it!  

If you want realhigh tech graphics, Rogue was where it was at

[Krytheos]

All I can say is this: Nethack and Roguelikes in general. Now -that- is what I call 'made of epic win.'

[Monica83]

The witcher saga stayed actiony with rpg elements its a nice combination...DA2 is streamlized as hell the game can't be compared... If i must decide between an actiony the witcher and an actiony dragon age 2 i will follow the witcher2 why?...

1)Schematic paraphrase system don't have any problem if your are using a complete premade character..
2) if i must decide if have companions with static outfit and inventory or play as a single character i decide to play as a single character..
3) World and story in the witcher enjoy me always i read also some book of the adventure of geralt...
4) The witcher have a great dark world background
5) WAY BETTER ANIMATIONS

For those reason i will prefear 10 times the witcher 2 thand dragon age 2

Modifié par Monica83, 19 novembre 2010 - 07:54 .

[Ulous]

Monica83 wrote...



For those reason i will prefear 10 times the witcher 2 thand dragon age 2

So you are comparing two games you have never played?

[Monica83]

Im comparing on the info i have if bioware can show us some gameplay and can show me i'm wrong im the first that screams im an idiot but i don't think this will happen

[Krytheos]

Ulous wrote...

Monica83 wrote...



For those reason i will prefear 10 times the witcher 2 thand dragon age 2

So you are comparing two games you have never played?

This is the basis of all arguments relating to the Witcher 2 and DA: 2, truth be told. Neither are out; no one has played them yet except the developers, so people will always make comparisons despite them being in two wholly different genre's/by two wholly different companies.

[slimgrin]

I wonder if Laidlaw has any hair left after reading these posts.



To those who know DA2 will fail, or how it even plays: wait for official gamplay footage. We still know very little about the game.

To those who just enjoy arguing and defending DA2 with your last dying breath. Your assumptions are still based on a dearth of solid info.

These types of threads are becoming pointless.

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 novembre 2010 - 07:58 .

[Ulous]

Monica83 wrote...

Im comparing on the info i have if bioware can show us some gameplay and can show me i'm wrong im the first that screams im an idiot but i don't think this will happen

Even with gameplay vids you can't judge, it's all about playing the game(s), I remember DAO didn't look that great on the gameplay vids, but once I actually played the game I loved it.

[Ziggeh]

Monica83 wrote...

1)Schematic paraphrase system don't have any problem if your are using a complete premade character..
2) if i must decide if have companions with static outfit and inventory or play as a single character i decide to play as a single character..
3) World and story in the witcher enjoy me always i read also some book of the adventure of geralt...
4) The witcher have a great dark world background
5) WAY BETTER ANIMATIONS

1 I can kind of see, 2 contains an innaccuracy and makes little sense, 3 and 4 aren't anything about DA and 5 might well be true, but is also an argument for DA2 over DAO.

The main thrust of your post is that the Witcher looks good so DA2 doesn't. Which is lunacy.

[bsbcaer]

Monica83 wrote...

The witcher saga stayed actiony with rpg elements its a nice combination...DA2 is streamlized as hell the game can't be compared... If i must decide between an actiony the witcher and an actiony dragon age 2 i will follow the witcher2 why?...

1)Schematic paraphrase system don't have any problem if your are using a complete premade character..
2) if i must decide if have companions with static outfit and inventory or play as a single character i decide to play as a single character..
3) World and story in the witcher enjoy me always i read also some book of the adventure of geralt...
4) The witcher have a great dark world background

For those reason i will prefear 10 times the witcher 2 thand dragon age 2

Alright, you have finally provided me with some actual reasons why you prefer something other than DA2 with #3 and #4...that's perfectly valid opinion and if you like that stuff, that's a great reason to play the other game.  Now you've been singing the same song about #1 and #2 for over a month now and don't seem to listen to what others are telling you.  Once again, two different writing teams between the ME games and DA games, so with respect to your "OMG Paraphrase tool of devil schematic premade....." argument, I once again suggest that (a) if you enjoyed the writing of DA:O and believe that the writers can do a good job in the second game, then they will do a better job with the paraphrase system than their sister game (ME) and ( you have to have some faith in the fact that the DA writers are actually INTELLIGENT PEOPLE and are building upon the system created in ME and are CAPABLE OF AVOIDING ITS MISTAKES!  As for this version of #2, I'll give you some credit because you're actually not arguing that static outfit/inventory (which once again has been disproven by both posters AND Developers, have you actually seen the screenshot of Isabella's inventory screen?) but rather that you'd rather play a game as a single character rather than one with a party and companions (which does beg the question, why you like the BG series, KOTOR etc...games that are all PC and Party rather than single character???)

[Ziggeh]

slimgrin wrote...

These types of threads are becoming pointless.

Becoming?

They're for venting, pedantry and locking. Signifying nothing.

[Monica83]

I will try dragon age 2 and i will try the witcher 2 also anyways we have enought info to have a impression how things will be done....
And from what i seen of dragon age 2 (official gameplay video don't change nothing because the only change is the anims are slowed down but the gameplay and the crappy bad anims are the same with the difference that in the pc version its like DAO the combat but this don't change a lot for the anims and for horrible things like the teleport charge of the warrior or the dragonball moves or rougues) i prefear the witcher 2 in many aspects.. And yes i have on opinion because i tryed it at lucca comix and games..

Modifié par Monica83, 19 novembre 2010 - 08:03 .

[DPB]

Sorry, but the comparison between DA2 and TW2 just smacks of double standards when they have so much in common. Apparently, its an alien concept to like both, which I have pre-ordered.

Modifié par dbankier, 19 novembre 2010 - 08:03 .