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[kraidy1117]

ME had a better written story, yes it was simple and basic but it was written well and got very exciting near the end. Characters, I personally found Liara, Wrex, Ash and Kai better then half the characters in ME2(the only ones I liked where Miri, Legion, Thane and Mordin) The other characters I am neutral on or plain dislike.

Romances where much better in ME, with Thane being really the only outstanding romance(excluding LotSB with Liara)

Overall, I prefer the writing in ME, tho LotSB and some parts of ME2 where really outstanding. 

Modifié par kraidy1117, 20 novembre 2010 - 05:26 .

[Iakus]

ME 1: Basic story, told well. Characters felt "real" to me Exceptional in ability, but flawed and mortal.



ME 2 Story was "wider" but not "deeper" Given a basic look at a lot of different (and potentially very interesting) things, but never stopping to really examine any of it. Characters, while potentially also very interesting, were in many cases over-the-top to the point of being more cariacture than character. ME 1 had flawed mortals. ME 2 had angsty superheroes.

[V-rex]

I think Mass Effect 1c had a better more focussed plot and while there weren't as many characters that also meant that everyone there served a clear, defined, purpose. I loved them all, my favorite team.

Point to this is, that Mass Effect 1 had a small contained team and was well paced as a result because you weren't constantly being pulled away from the main plot every five minutes to go recruit someone else, four of the six main characters are recruited in the first two real missions.



And then of course, there is an actual villain with a face and a name who we get to know over the story, that helps a lot.



Plus, the romances fit better into the plot. Because, using Ashley as an example here, she starts off from the beginning and as the plot moves forward so does the romance and the fact that there is no loyalty mission needing to be done before the romance starts means that, in my eyes anyway, all lines of dialogue are building up to the romance.

Point is, it was a major subplot that was tied directly to the main plot, not some eight minute extra bit about Quarian immune systems or the difficulty of human/turian relations (not that I have anything against Garrus and Tali).



Mass Effect 2 is certainly very good, great action, great cinematic moments and a huge diverse cast of rich interesting characters. However it's less focussed and while the loyalty missions are a very kickass way to have your characters develop it also means that there are about 20+ missions that have nothing to do, whatsoever, with the main plot about the Collectors at all.

Plus the Collectors themselves aren't even all that intimidating.



Also while it's nice to have Joker, Chatwas, Garrus and Tali back I still do find myself missing Ashley and Wrex.



So they are both great games and have great aspects to them but Mass Effect 1 will always have that little bit of extra 'spice' when it boils right down.

[The Accused]

ME1 had a far better story/plot/romances and any ME1 Character > All New ME2 Characters. It doesn't help that the most popular ME2 Squad mates were characters from ME1.

Modifié par The Accused, 20 novembre 2010 - 05:53 .

[SithLordExarKun]

ME1 had the better plot but had the absolute worst and most boring characters i have ever seen in biowares games so i personally prefer ME2's cast.

[The Accused]

Yet Tali and Garrus are the most beloved, romanced, and used ME2 Squad mates. Kinda ironic that you say that when those two were in ME1.

[Vena_86]

ME1 has a more epic and present story. The characters in ME2 ar more interesting on the surface, since they are very special/exotic. Both games have very small character interaction with ME2 being even weaker in that regard. The characters feel like actors with their limited set of lines for predefined scenes. They rarely react to the world around them and specially not to other characters in your squad making them appear like zombies when compared to previous BioWare games.

Modifié par Vena_86, 20 novembre 2010 - 11:19 .

[GodWood]

The Accused wrote...
ME1 had a far better story/plot/romances and any ME1 Character > All New ME2 Characters. It doesn't help that the most popular ME2 Squad mates were characters from ME1.

Mordin is ranked either Number 1 or 2 amongst fan polls for series favourite.
And he is far more developed then a lot of the ME1 characters.

[Gibb_Shepard]

stickmanhenry wrote...

I will agree that Mass Effect 1 had a better story, but because i liked the characters so much more in ME2, it made me care about the story a whole lot more as well, which made it seem a lot more important to me as the actual plot revolved around many of the characters. I couldn't really have cared less about the collectors, but I would have been devastated if any of my companions died trying to stop them

(plus the side missions had FAR better storylines/differentiation/etc.)

And that, IMO, is a story fail. When the plot doesn't even intrigue the player enough to even care about the antagonist.

[Mister Mida]

To me, ME (1)'s story stands way above ME2's, mostly because of the way they made Cerberus do a 180 in ME2. ME2's story also felt too Hollywoodish to me. ME (1)'s characters felt more real to me, but ME2's Legion, Mordin and Grunt are awesome as well. So all and all, I say ME (1).

[Lumikki]

ME1 had pretty nice story, ME2 story was weak, because too much about characters.
ME2 had better characters, but too many of them, amount of ME1 characters was fine.

When there is too many character, player has hard time to create personal connections to all of them. What also means to learn and connect with characters, player needs to know more about them and be with them, that's what ME2 did better. (Except the amount of character part)

Modifié par Lumikki, 20 novembre 2010 - 02:22 .

[catabuca]

I preferred ME1's story. I felt the pacing was better (if you ignore the repetitiveness of many of the uncharted world side assignments): the story seemed to flow, and so many of the side assignments tied into the main story. I know some of the side missions in ME2 do as well, but you have to think hard about it to realise that (for example, the colony shield mission).

I try to get all or most of the side assignments done by the time I go to Virmire, because the tension during and after that mission is astounding, and I have to go straight into the lead up to Ilos. The end part of the game (if you do Virmire right before Ilos), and the part where you first become a spectre are some of the best video game writing I've encountered (it's up there with the Landsmeet from DA:O).



In terms of characters, I have a massive sentimental soft spot for ME1 characters. I preferred Tali in ME1 (badass) to Tali in ME2 (pathetic giggling doe-eyed girl). Wrex is a classic character. Garrus has some good progression in ME2 through his loyalty mission and talking to him about what happened to his team on Omega, but I don't like him being an LI, so I'd say it's pretty equal between ME1&2. I wasn't a huge fan of Liara in ME1, because she was so child-like and insipid. She did nothing for me in ME2, although in LotSB I can see they've tried to bring things back on track. She's still not a favourite of mine though. I was a big fan of Kaidan and Ashely (although Ash ALWAYS [redacted] on Virmire). They seemed to have far more to say in ME1 than any of the LIs in ME2 do, and I felt much closer to them than I ever did to anyone in ME2. I somewhat enjoyed Jack, Thane and Miranda's romances, but with all of them I felt they were stilted (despite the attempt at deep emotional engagement) by the lack of branching conversations. They just never felt as warm or intimate as the ME1 romances.



I have played ME2 several times, and ME1 a handful more than that. There are things I really love about ME2, and things I really love about ME1. There are things that annoy me about both games. ME1's story just feels more accomplished than ME2's, and while my love of ME1's characters is tinged by sentimentality, something I readily admit, they are a league above ME2's simply because of the depth of conversation I can have with them, and the intimacy (not just physically) of the relationships.

[InfiniteCuts]

GodWood wrote...

The Accused wrote...
ME1 had a far better story/plot/romances and any ME1 Character > All New ME2 Characters. It doesn't help that the most popular ME2 Squad mates were characters from ME1.

Mordin is ranked either Number 1 or 2 amongst fan polls for series favourite.
And he is far more developed then a lot of the ME1 characters.

Can you provide an example?  I'm having a hard time seeing Mordin beat Tali, Liara or even Wrex in a "favorites" poll... but you never know.  And although I can see why people think of him as "interesting", he isn't that much more developed than Tali was in ME.  In any case, Mass Effect wasn't the character study ME2 is trying so hard to be... it has a more traditional approach to storytelling that didn't depend solely on squadmate baggage to move the story along.

[GodWood]

InfiniteCuts wrote...

GodWood wrote...

The Accused wrote...
ME1 had a far better story/plot/romances and any ME1 Character > All New ME2 Characters. It doesn't help that the most popular ME2 Squad mates were characters from ME1.

Mordin is ranked either Number 1 or 2 amongst fan polls for series favourite.
And he is far more developed then a lot of the ME1 characters.

Can you provide an example?  I'm having a hard time seeing Mordin beat Tali, Liara or even Wrex in a "favorites" poll... but you never know.

This poll/survey] of 300 people had Mordin ranked number 1. 
This one (dunno how people it surveyed) had Mordin ranked 4th with Legion tied second with Wrex. 

And although I can see why people think of him as "interesting", he isn't that much more developed than Tali was in ME. 

Mordin is far more developed then what Tali was in ME1, she was just an encyclopedia for the quarian people.

[catabuca]

I have to say, despite preferring ME1 story and characters in general, I freaking love Mordin.

[InfiniteCuts]

Hardly definitive... even for BSN members. All kinds of bias at play in both surveys also. All they tell me is that Mordin is perhaps one of the least hated among these small sample groups, not that he is a favorite among all characters in the series. In any case, statistics hasn't nor ever will be what determines good character development, and character development must always be considered within the framework of a coherent plot... otherwise what's the point?

[DarthCaine]

BTW, here's a poll I made on BioWare's worst party members:
http://social.biowar...596/polls/4662/

Guess who's number 2 ?

[Funkcase]

I like ME1's story and characters more. But honestly, who gives a damn? this thread is obveously just turning inro a ME1 vs ME2 thread. Cant people enjoy both?

Modifié par Funkcase, 20 novembre 2010 - 05:10 .

[catabuca]

Funkcase wrote...

I like ME1's story and characters more. But honestly, who gives a damn? this thread is obveously just turning inro a ME1 vs ME2 thread. Cant people enjoy both?

Of course people can enjoy both. And people can also prefer certain parts of one game over certain parts of another. Why is that a problem? It's called subjectivity.

[legend of kane]

In case anyone is wondering..Today 11/20 is Mass Effect's 3 year birthday.

Happy Birthday Commander Shepard!

[Mr. MannlyMan]

GodWood wrote...

InfiniteCuts wrote...

GodWood wrote...

The Accused wrote...
ME1 had a far better story/plot/romances and any ME1 Character > All New ME2 Characters. It doesn't help that the most popular ME2 Squad mates were characters from ME1.

Mordin is ranked either Number 1 or 2 amongst fan polls for series favourite.
And he is far more developed then a lot of the ME1 characters.

Can you provide an example?  I'm having a hard time seeing Mordin beat Tali, Liara or even Wrex in a "favorites" poll... but you never know.

This poll/survey] of 300 people had Mordin ranked number 1. 
This one (dunno how people it surveyed) had Mordin ranked 4th with Legion tied second with Wrex. 

And although I can see why people think of him as "interesting", he isn't that much more developed than Tali was in ME. 

Mordin is far more developed then what Tali was in ME1, she was just an encyclopedia for the quarian people.

What the heck? 

There's no consistency in those polls with regards to Mordin; his rating goes from a marginal 1st, to a middling rank, then up to 3rd?

Wrex and Garrus both had fairly consistent results, though.