Somebody put it very well - ME2's story was 'wider but not deeper' than in ME1. On the other hand character development was better in ME2 and as a result I felt more emotional involvement in the outcome.
Which Mass Effect had better story/characters Mass Effect 1 or Mass Efect 2 and why?
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#52
Posté 21 novembre 2010 - 02:28
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iakus wrote...
ME 1: Basic story, told well. Characters felt "real" to me Exceptional in ability, but flawed and mortal.
ME 2 Story was "wider" but not "deeper" Given a basic look at a lot of different (and potentially very interesting) things, but never stopping to really examine any of it. Characters, while potentially also very interesting, were in many cases over-the-top to the point of being more cariacture than character. ME 1 had flawed mortals. ME 2 had angsty superheroes.
This is how I look at it. Though I do think they nailed it for some of the ME2 characters. Mordin for example. But the Jack's of the game fell flat as over the top cariactures.
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Posté 21 novembre 2010 - 10:00
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ME1 was more epic. ME2 was more personal. ME1 was like a movie, with a strong central plot and weaker sub-plots. ME2 was like a series, with strong sub-plots, but a weak core story. Both were incredibly strong in some areas, but incredibly weak and cliched in others.
I really don't get why people worship ME1's plot, though. The rookie that has to prove he's as good as the rest? Been done. A rogue special agent? Seen it. A group of misfits save the world? Yep, that too. An ancient evil threatening to wipe out all life as we know it? Seriously, I've lost count. It also had zombies and mind-controlling plants. And bug-aliens.
Flame ME2 all you want, I agree that the core story sucked, but ME1 wasn't exactly a gem, either. What made them great was the characters and presentation. Which is why I love both to pieces.
And boy oh boy is ME3 gonna rock my socks off! 8D
I really don't get why people worship ME1's plot, though. The rookie that has to prove he's as good as the rest? Been done. A rogue special agent? Seen it. A group of misfits save the world? Yep, that too. An ancient evil threatening to wipe out all life as we know it? Seriously, I've lost count. It also had zombies and mind-controlling plants. And bug-aliens.
Flame ME2 all you want, I agree that the core story sucked, but ME1 wasn't exactly a gem, either. What made them great was the characters and presentation. Which is why I love both to pieces.
And boy oh boy is ME3 gonna rock my socks off! 8D
#54
Posté 21 novembre 2010 - 02:27
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AdmiralCheez - I obviously don't speak for everyone, but I think when people speak fondly of ME1's story over ME2's it isn't really anything to do with whether it's been done before or not. There are elements of every single story ever written that can be found in others. That's just the way it works.
No, for me ME1's story was 'better' because of the way it felt, the way it pulled me along, drew me in, got me involved. It's quite an intangible thing, the way something feels, and I think that's why half the arguments go on in this forum. It's very difficult to pinpoint what it is about something that makes you feel a certain way, and, indeed, what exactly those feelings are in the first place. And so it's easier to talk about the things we can actually see and describe, like inventories and art direction and loading screens and level design. In reality, it's all these things and so much more.
The majority of people who say they prefer ME1 are more than willing to point out the things ME1 didn't do all that well, and the things it did downright badly. But they still end up preferring ME1. I can only speak for myself, but all the little, tangible things I can describe that I miss from ME1 all come together in some way, with an added dollop of something intangible I can't describe, to give me a feeling about the game that I don't feel in ME2. When I talk about plot, story, and characters, I think I'm trying to grasp at part of that intangible feeling. But it's not easy to define.
I still love ME2, and I'm excited to see ME3. But for me, ME1's storytelling and characters (for all their 'lack of originality', as some may describe it) nailed it far better than ME2.
No, for me ME1's story was 'better' because of the way it felt, the way it pulled me along, drew me in, got me involved. It's quite an intangible thing, the way something feels, and I think that's why half the arguments go on in this forum. It's very difficult to pinpoint what it is about something that makes you feel a certain way, and, indeed, what exactly those feelings are in the first place. And so it's easier to talk about the things we can actually see and describe, like inventories and art direction and loading screens and level design. In reality, it's all these things and so much more.
The majority of people who say they prefer ME1 are more than willing to point out the things ME1 didn't do all that well, and the things it did downright badly. But they still end up preferring ME1. I can only speak for myself, but all the little, tangible things I can describe that I miss from ME1 all come together in some way, with an added dollop of something intangible I can't describe, to give me a feeling about the game that I don't feel in ME2. When I talk about plot, story, and characters, I think I'm trying to grasp at part of that intangible feeling. But it's not easy to define.
I still love ME2, and I'm excited to see ME3. But for me, ME1's storytelling and characters (for all their 'lack of originality', as some may describe it) nailed it far better than ME2.
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Posté 21 novembre 2010 - 03:10
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Mass Effect 1 had a vastly superior story. It was more down to Earth (haha...hahaha), and honestly felt more mature, while Mass Effect 2 was absurdly larger than life in many of its characters, and had a practically non-existant main plot.
While Mass Effect 1 had its share of plot holes (I can think of a dozen ways Sovereign could easily have won Mass Effect without us having any chance to stop it.), Mass Effect 2 had its share of "meh"ish writing combined with annoying voice acting (WE ARE ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF YOUR EARDRUMS!!!) and seemingly pointless plot twists (Shepard's resurrection served absolutely no purpose that couldn't have been accomplished without beating the living hell out of the setting's lore.)
However, Mass Effect 2 had quite a bit more character development I'll give them that, and honestly, the vastly larger than life treatment of them can be fun.
While Mass Effect 1 had its share of plot holes (I can think of a dozen ways Sovereign could easily have won Mass Effect without us having any chance to stop it.), Mass Effect 2 had its share of "meh"ish writing combined with annoying voice acting (WE ARE ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF YOUR EARDRUMS!!!) and seemingly pointless plot twists (Shepard's resurrection served absolutely no purpose that couldn't have been accomplished without beating the living hell out of the setting's lore.)
However, Mass Effect 2 had quite a bit more character development I'll give them that, and honestly, the vastly larger than life treatment of them can be fun.
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Posté 21 novembre 2010 - 03:32
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iakus wrote...
ME 1: Basic story, told well. Characters felt "real" to me Exceptional in ability, but flawed and mortal.
ME 2 Story was "wider" but not "deeper" Given a basic look at a lot of different (and potentially very interesting) things, but never stopping to really examine any of it. Characters, while potentially also very interesting, were in many cases over-the-top to the point of being more cariacture than character. ME 1 had flawed mortals. ME 2 had angsty superheroes.
Pretty much how I feel too. Mass Effect 2 is fun, but at times it feels like watching a popular "guilty-pleasure" sci-fi movie. Yeah, it's fun, but it's also very flawed and outright bad at times... ahem, Transformers (1) maybe?
Mass Effect (1) isn't perfect too, but overall it's a tighter, better story with more believable characters. It's like watching an all time classic sci-fi like the original Star Wars.
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