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[Sialater]

Because the Citadel is the fastest way into the Milky Way from Dark Space. That's all. They have a timetable. They want to keep it for some as yet unrevealed reason. Perhaps before the civilizations figure out how to stop them. Which could happen in the thousands of years it would take to travel WITHOUT the Citadel's Mass Effect Relay to Dark Space.

[Talogrungi]

Moiaussi wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

The population of Horizon was listed as 654,930
in the codex, and my recollection of the interior of the collector ship included a massive number of those pod things covering the walls as far as the eye could see. It was a big ship.

Wasn't their long-term goal kinda transparent, given what we know about them now?

They were making a new Reaper to replace Sovereign. A new Reaper capable of opening the citadel relay to darkspace so that the Reapers can overrun the known galaxy.

Ok, so a ship large enough to carry 650k humans is rated as a 'cruiser?' And could house that many even though it didn't seem that much bigger than the Normandy in any cut scene (in fact the scale seemed pretty consistant). The collectors have some sort of tesseract tech and noone seems to notice or care? It also didn't take hours to walk through. It was not thaaaat big a ship.

We didn't experience the full ship, and take a look at a screenshot of the interior of the collector ship:

http://www.flickr.co...kie/4393429199/

That's a lot of pods.

[Nicodemus]

It would have been a lot easier to have had the Normandy and some other ships get jumped by a Geth flotilla instead of the collector ship. The Normandy gets massively damaged and Shep orders abandon ship. Explosion injures Shep and causes him/her to launch last escape pod away from the Normandy in a different direction away from where the rest have been launched. You could even say that the emergancy beacon on the pod is damaged. Thus Shep gets lost and allows the Liara storyline to happen and things to move on.



Meanwhile Shep heavily injured has to resort to suspended animation for a chance of survival. This would then give us the Lazarus project start to ME2 as it would allow the player to see the thaw out/medical surgery to repair Shep and to fit new cybernetics.



That would have been a slightly more plausible way of doing it, but we are stuck with what we have.

[Talogrungi]

adneate wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...
They were making a new Reaper to replace Sovereign. A new Reaper capable of opening the citadel relay to darkspace so that the Reapers can overrun the known galaxy.

But that plan is exactly the same plan that already failed once and got Sovereign killed, so these super powerful billions of years old AI's just call up the Collectors and tell them to do it all again? That would make no sense coming from a Human being, a race of AI starships saying it makes the whole notion incredibly stupid.

My point is that, bottom line, they need a Reaper to open the Citadel relay to dark space. With Sovereign gone, what choice do they have but to create a replacement? .. how exactly they were planning on getting to the Citadel to open the Relay, well I guess we'll never know given that they never got that far.

One question springs to mind though; why did Sovereign fail? .. it was because Shepard interevened and killed its avatar at a crucial moment, leaving Sovereign undefended long enough for the combined Alliance/Citadel fleet to take it down.

When the collectors are harvesting colonies, Shepard is dead, and no longer a threat.

[Nightwriter]

This seems like a great thread, and I love discussing the writing, but I feel like many of my points of interest are not really "unfired guns" per se.

[Sable Phoenix]

Nightwriter wrote...

This seems like a great thread, and I love discussing the writing, but I feel like many of my points of interest are not really "unfired guns" per se.

Well, the unfired guns were just an illustration.  If you have something you feel is related to the writing and story, please share it!

[Nicodemus]

Googlesaurus wrote...

Nicodemus wrote...

They weren't creating a Reaper to replace Sovereign per se, they were creating a new reaper out of the Human race. The other Reapers were coming anyway and humanity has already been identified as a viable species. The collectors had already started the harvesting of the designated race, grabbing colonists from the outer regions was easier and quieter than going full out in invading a human "core" world. Why bother doing that and drawing too much attention to yourself now, when a vast reaper fleet is inc to do that anyway?

They could have acquired human specimens and cloned them en masse while randomizing specific sequences. We know that the Collectors were artificially created from cloned Prothean generations thousands of years ago; why the Collectors wouldn't have the same technology to replenish their numbers is a dropped ball. Why would the Reapers organize a plan that is guaranteed to attract attention for the sake of a plan which had already failed?

The trouble with cloning is that each clone has a weaker DNA string than the original and over time that DNA string starts to break, so if you are using a lot of cloned DNA you start to get defective DNA strings. We don't know why they need all the human specimens but my guess would be that the pure DNA is important in the Reaper maturation process.

Now the Protheans seem to have been classed as a "failed" Reaping, therefore it seems there is no Prothean reaper, so the Reapers repurposed the Protheans by cutting out chunks of thier DNA and reforging the remainder of the race into a subservient vassal race. There is nothing to say that the collectors of ME2 are only a small fraction of the overall collector race as there could be a lot more onboard the incomming Reaper fleet.

As for the plan, Harbringer has control of the collectors. The Reapers are already on the move. It is easier to start a process quietly on the fringes and have something "cooking" as it were for when they finally get to the Milky Way. Yes they were building a Reaper but it was in no way ready, for it to be fully functinal would have required a proper reaping of the human race and since the original plan had been scuppered Harbringer went to plan B to start something that they didn't think the Humans would be able to stop.

[General User]

How about when you're fleeing the Lazarus Station and Miranda says "this is the only shuttle leaving" yet there are clearly several shuttles in the background, that bugged me.

[Nicodemus]

General User wrote...

How about when you're fleeing the Lazarus Station and Miranda says "this is the only shuttle leaving" yet there are clearly several shuttles in the background, that bugged me.

That one is easy, Miri says that if there were any other survivors that they would already be there awaiting the shuttle. The implcation is that there is no one else left alive and if they are they won't be for long on the station. Even though theer are other shuttles available it seems that Miri, Shep and Jacob are jumping into the only one which has a pilot, thus it;s the only shuttle leaving.

[adneate]

Talogrungi wrote...
My point is that, bottom line, they need a Reaper to open the Citadel relay to dark space. With Sovereign gone, what choice do they have but to create a replacement? .. how exactly they were planning on getting to the Citadel to open the Relay, well I guess we'll never know given that they never got that far.

But then at the end of ME2 they just turn on their engines and fly towards the galaxy anyway so WTF? Couldn't they just do that after Sovereign got fragged and save themselves the hassle of having to work through the Collectors and making a brand new Reaper?

And attacking the exact same point in exactly the same way with exactly the same force after you've already totally failed once seems so incredibly moronic that I just can't believe anything with any level of intelligence would ever do it. If you stick your hand into fire and burn yourself you don't immediately do exactly the same thing again hoping this time you won't burn yourself.

[InvaderErl]

sagequeen wrote...

The problem with saying "the guns will get resolved in ME3" is that if that's they case, why were these introduced in the second act (ME2) and not ME1?

if they are introduced in act 1 of ME2, then one feels they ought to be resolved in act 3 of ME2. again, scope could be the trilogy OR a single episode, but the principle is the same. guns introduced in first act (of trilogy or ME2) should be resolved in 3rd act (of the trilogy or ME2 - but you don't get to switch between categories)

unfired guns that bother me:

Shep working with Cerberus
- illusive man says "you always have a choice shepard" re: working with cerberus. but you don't.
"You can walk away" - but you can't

Shep coming back from the dead
- multiple times you can try to ask people about HOW they brought you back from the dead - all get derailed. jacob doesn't know the details, miranda says "she wasn't in charge" (and that was NOT what i wanted to know, miri, i wanted to know how you did it), and after that, there is no other option to ask. we hear WHY shep was brought back, but not how and considering suspicious tech may be involved (they were freaking considering control chips!) this is sort of a big question mark

Cerberus' Methods
- we keep being told they're "extreme", "checkered", "not so bad" but they are inconsistent at best and evil at worst. one person mentioned they might has well have a "torturing kittens division" for all that their projects seem to produce horrid evil with NO results.

so yeah, those are the guns i see. they were set out in the beginning and i don't really see them ever going off, and in, they never really got addressed

These are not Chekov's guns.

This thread's not really off to a great start for the most part, people seem seriously confused about what exactly a Chekov's gun is.

If you want a great example of what exactly a Chekov's gun is watch Edgar Wright's Hot Fuzz, his movies are always great in this respect.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 19 novembre 2010 - 10:57 .

[Nicodemus]

adneate wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...
My point is that, bottom line, they need a Reaper to open the Citadel relay to dark space. With Sovereign gone, what choice do they have but to create a replacement? .. how exactly they were planning on getting to the Citadel to open the Relay, well I guess we'll never know given that they never got that far.

But then at the end of ME2 they just turn on their engines and fly towards the galaxy anyway so WTF? Couldn't they just do that after Sovereign got fragged and save themselves the hassle of having to work through the Collectors and making a brand new Reaper?

And attacking the exact same point in exactly the same way with exactly the same force after you've already totally failed once seems so incredibly moronic that I just can't believe anything with any level of intelligence would ever do it. If you stick your hand into fire and burn yourself you don't immediately do exactly the same thing again hoping this time you won't burn yourself.

They were already on the way, the Citadel was just a short cut.

[Talogrungi]

adneate wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...
My point is that, bottom line, they need a Reaper to open the Citadel relay to dark space. With Sovereign gone, what choice do they have but to create a replacement? .. how exactly they were planning on getting to the Citadel to open the Relay, well I guess we'll never know given that they never got that far.

But then at the end of ME2 they just turn on their engines and fly towards the galaxy anyway so WTF? Couldn't they just do that after Sovereign got fragged and save themselves the hassle of having to work through the Collectors and making a brand new Reaper?

And attacking the exact same point in exactly the same way with exactly the same force after you've already totally failed once seems so incredibly moronic that I just can't believe anything with any level of intelligence would ever do it. If you stick your hand into fire and burn yourself you don't immediately do exactly the same thing again hoping this time you won't burn yourself.

I would say that the Reaper fleet powering up at the end of ME2 is their ultimate last resort; burning energy that they can't really afford to waste in recognition of the fact that they no other choice in the matter.

Did Sovereign "totally fail" though? .. it was through the citadel defenses. It had made contact with the citadel tower. It was about to open the Relay and it was ultimately defeated by one wild-card .. Shepard. The plan was sound and would have succeeded without his interference, and he's just been hunted down and killed by the Collectors.

[General User]

Nicodemus wrote...

General User wrote...

How about when you're fleeing the Lazarus Station and Miranda says "this is the only shuttle leaving" yet there are clearly several shuttles in the background, that bugged me.

That one is easy, Miri says that if there were any other survivors that they would already be there awaiting the shuttle. The implcation is that there is no one else left alive and if they are they won't be for long on the station. Even though theer are other shuttles available it seems that Miri, Shep and Jacob are jumping into the only one which has a pilot, thus it;s the only shuttle leaving.

I'm not talking about the other people on the station, I mean a shuttle just for Shepard.  What's stopping him from flying one of the shuttles himself, to go see Councilor Anderson, or Adm. Hackett, or wherever?  Why does Shep. HAVE to go with Miranda and Jacob when there are clearly other options "hanging on the wall?" 

[InvaderErl]

^

See not a Chekov's gun going unfired. A goof-up, an error but not a gun.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 19 novembre 2010 - 11:04 .

[General User]

InvaderErl wrote...

^

See not a Chekov's gun going unfired. A goof-up, an error but not a gun.

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Well, the unfired guns were just an illustration.  If you have something you feel is related to the writing and story, please share it!

[InvaderErl]

Ah, I see.



Well that was short-lived, just barely made it off the first page.



Carry on then.

[Nicodemus]

General User wrote...

Nicodemus wrote...

General User wrote...

How about when you're fleeing the Lazarus Station and Miranda says "this is the only shuttle leaving" yet there are clearly several shuttles in the background, that bugged me.

That one is easy, Miri says that if there were any other survivors that they would already be there awaiting the shuttle. The implcation is that there is no one else left alive and if they are they won't be for long on the station. Even though theer are other shuttles available it seems that Miri, Shep and Jacob are jumping into the only one which has a pilot, thus it;s the only shuttle leaving.

I'm not talking about the other people on the station, I mean a shuttle just for Shepard.  What's stopping him from flying one of the shuttles himself, to go see Councilor Anderson, or Adm. Hackett, or wherever?  Why does Shep. HAVE to go with Miranda and Jacob when there are clearly other options "hanging on the wall?" 

Because Shep is after answers and those 2 people have promised answers. Also, that may have been the only shuttle that was capable of ftl, or fueled for it or had a working nav computer etc etc etc. It's a bit of a plot hole but not an unused gun.

[Googlesaurus]

Nicodemus wrote...

The trouble with cloning is that each clone has a weaker DNA string than the original and over time that DNA string starts to break, so if you are using a lot of cloned DNA you start to get defective DNA strings. We don't know why they need all the human specimens but my guess would be that the pure DNA is important in the Reaper maturation process.

Cloning concerns mostly deal with telomere shortening, and the fact that the Reapers have already performed cloning with success suggests that they have transcended that limitation. Artificial parthenogenesis would also be a perfectly valid form of reproduction for the Collectors, a race that has no obvious sexual features or reproduction methods. 

Nicodemus wrote...

Now the Protheans seem to have been classed as a "failed" Reaping, therefore it seems there is no Prothean reaper, so the Reapers repurposed the Protheans by cutting out chunks of thier DNA and reforging the remainder of the race into a subservient vassal race. There is nothing to say that the collectors of ME2 are only a small fraction of the overall collector race as there could be a lot more onboard the incomming Reaper fleet.

How do the Collectors survive when the Reapers are dormant in dark space? Why would they even need them in dark space?

Nicodemus wrote...

As for the plan, Harbringer has control of the collectors. The Reapers are already on the move. It is easier to start a process quietly on the fringes and have something "cooking" as it were for when they finally get to the Milky Way. Yes they were building a Reaper but it was in no way ready, for it to be fully functinal would have required a proper reaping of the human race and since the original plan had been scuppered Harbringer went to plan B to start something that they didn't think the Humans would be able to stop.

Problems with that theory:

- It wasn't quiet. Colonies were literally disappearing without an explanation and with no evidence to single out a party. Everyone knew it was happening.
- The Reapers only woke up and started moving after the Collector threat was wiped out.  
- To collect enough humans it would eventually have to move out of the Terminus Systems and into Alliance space. Considering that the Normandy alone completely destroyed it with two hits (and it only rivals a cruiser's firepower), it would have been suicide to strongarm its way to a more habitable planet. 
- How would making one human Reaper make any difference when 300+ Reapers arrive in the galaxy?

Modifié par Googlesaurus, 19 novembre 2010 - 11:10 .

[Nightwriter]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

This seems like a great thread, and I love discussing the writing, but I feel like many of my points of interest are not really "unfired guns" per se.

Well, the unfired guns were just an illustration.  If you have something you feel is related to the writing and story, please share it!

Okay.

Something I would like to know is why BioWare chose to put Shepard with Cerberus in ME2. It's something I've never quite understood, and really, most of my thoughts about the story are a result of that decision.

Acknowledging the fact that a BioWare dev is probably not going to just pop in and answer this question for me, can anyone provide any input or conjecture on why they chose to do this? I honestly would like to know.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 19 novembre 2010 - 11:35 .

[Nicodemus]

Googlesaurus wrote...

Nicodemus wrote...

The trouble with cloning is that each clone has a weaker DNA string than the original and over time that DNA string starts to break, so if you are using a lot of cloned DNA you start to get defective DNA strings. We don't know why they need all the human specimens but my guess would be that the pure DNA is important in the Reaper maturation process.

Cloning concerns mostly deal with telomere shortening, and the fact that the Reapers have already performed cloning with success suggests that they have transcended that limitation. Artificial parthenogenesis would also be a perfectly valid form of reproduction for the Collectors, a race that has no obvious sexual features or reproduction methods. 

Nicodemus wrote...

Now the Protheans seem to have been classed as a "failed" Reaping, therefore it seems there is no Prothean reaper, so the Reapers repurposed the Protheans by cutting out chunks of thier DNA and reforging the remainder of the race into a subservient vassal race. There is nothing to say that the collectors of ME2 are only a small fraction of the overall collector race as there could be a lot more onboard the incomming Reaper fleet.

How do the Collectors survive when the Reapers are dormant in dark space? Why would they even need them in dark space?

Nicodemus wrote...

As for the plan, Harbringer has control of the collectors. The Reapers are already on the move. It is easier to start a process quietly on the fringes and have something "cooking" as it were for when they finally get to the Milky Way. Yes they were building a Reaper but it was in no way ready, for it to be fully functinal would have required a proper reaping of the human race and since the original plan had been scuppered Harbringer went to plan B to start something that they didn't think the Humans would be able to stop.

Problems with that theory:

- It wasn't quiet. Colonies were literally disappearing without an explanation and with no evidence to single out a party. Everyone knew it was happening.
- The Reapers only woke up and started moving after the Collector threat was wiped out.  
- To collect enough humans it would eventually have to move out of the Terminus Systems and into Alliance space. Considering that the Normandy alone completely destroyed it with two hits (and it only rivals a cruiser's firepower), it would have been suicide to strongarm its way to a more habitable planet. 
- How would making one human Reaper make any difference when 300+ Reapers arrive in the galaxy?

Yes, the Collectors could be cloned (I suppose) because they have had thier dna totally rewritten over a long period of time, long long time. When you are on the Collector ship and find out that the collectors are Prothean EDi says something along the lines of the changes taking a very long time to achieve.

Well it seems the pods that they carried the humans off in are some sort of stasis pod. Nothing to say that the collectors couldn't be stored in those pods themselves, in fact you see one in a pod at one stage. As for needing them, well even out in the dark void the ships would need systems to be checked every now and then and small repairs made, you'd need some workforce that you trusted to do that while in a dormant phase.

The colonies were disappearing and everyone knew they were, but nobdy was doing anything about it and had any info. TIM sends Shep to possibly get the first bit of evidence of who and then sends Shep to stop them. This is the first time that anyone preempts a collector harvest or has any details on who was responsible. Therefore everyone was in the dark pointing fingers at suspects. Is it Batarians, Geth, Mercs, etc etc.. nothing better for a good invasion than people already being at war with someone else, divide and conquer.

No, the collectors were already on the move. It was the time of a harvesting, Harbringer was already awake and marshalling the other reapers, he was also in contact with sovereign. Once Sovereign had failed the Reapers began moving, they didn't just wake up because shep defeated the collectors, they were already on the move and bringing other plans to fruition while doing so.

The New Normandy is upgraded by you and your crew with new stuff that other ships don't have. You kill the collector ship because of those upgrades, if you don't have them your ship takes a lot of damage and you get squad members killed. Collector ship at the start pulverises the orignal Normady, rips through shields and detects the stealth system. The new Normady contains a lot of cutting edge tech that no other ship has.. and then you upgrade it more. Even so, why would they make a move out of terminus space? We don't know all the details of the plan, for all we know the collectors were making a start on a new Reaper that would be finished off when the rest got to the Milky Way and started the reaping. They we also not expecting anyone to get through the Omega relay as evidenced but millenias worth of debris and dead ships, so was there a set timescale in place for the collectors to actually finish it?

Thats the whole point, when the reapers turn up, they cull ALL space faring races. Those that are deemed useful got turned into a new reaper, those that aren't get destroyed or repurposed. It's how the Reapers seem to propogate thier own species. Humans have been deemed worthy of being made into a new reaper, the other species fall into other categories.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Googlesaurus wrote...

Unfired guns:

- The heretics' knowledge of the Reapers (if you rewrote them)
- The appearance and "disappearance" of the Leviathan of Dis on Jartar
- Dark energy affecting Haestrom's sun, Gianna's worries about dark energy interest
- Kasumi's greybox
- The mass accelerator weapon that destroyed the Derelict Reaper
- The genophage data (if recovered)
- Saren's research into indoctrination
- Cerberus' financial support within the Alliance military-industrial complex
- The rachni

I still believe that Klencory will have a far more effect on ME3 story than all the rest you lists for the simple reason that whatever lies on Klencory cant be killed or messed up in the two first episodes of Mass Effect.

[Googlesaurus]

Nicodemus wrote...

Yes, the Collectors could be cloned (I suppose) because they have had thier dna totally rewritten over a long period of time, long long time. When you are on the Collector ship and find out that the collectors are Prothean EDi says something along the lines of the changes taking a very long time to achieve.

If their DNA was completely rewritten how could EDI accurately identify them as Protheans, much less match thousands of genetic markers and trace the ancestral pedigree of a single individual? The change itself was gradual, not the cloning process. 

Nicodemus wrote...

Well it seems the pods that they carried the humans off in are some sort of stasis pod. Nothing to say that the collectors couldn't be stored in those pods themselves, in fact you see one in a pod at one stage. As for needing them, well even out in the dark void the ships would need systems to be checked every now and then and small repairs made, you'd need some workforce that you trusted to do that while in a dormant phase.

I doubt any stasis pods in the ME universe are designed to last 50,000 years. They would require power sources for one. The Reapers don't need the Collectors either, as they've been doing the same routine for millions of years. 

Nicodemus wrote...

The colonies were disappearing and everyone knew they were, but nobdy was doing anything about it and had any info. TIM sends Shep to possibly get the first bit of evidence of who and then sends Shep to stop them. This is the first time that anyone preempts a collector harvest or has any details on who was responsible. Therefore everyone was in the dark pointing fingers at suspects. Is it Batarians, Geth, Mercs, etc etc.. nothing better for a good invasion than people already being at war with someone else, divide and conquer.

That was terrible writing. The Council could have the brains of assigning a Spectre to investigate the problem rather than pointing the finger at nonsensical explanations and doing nothing about it. It's as if the writers ignored the fact that this entire situation already happened in ME. 

Nicodemus wrote...

No, the collectors were already on the move. It was the time of a harvesting, Harbringer was already awake and marshalling the other reapers, he was also in contact with sovereign. Once Sovereign had failed the Reapers began moving, they didn't just wake up because shep defeated the collectors, they were already on the move and bringing other plans to fruition while doing so.

Harvesting occurs after the invasion. 

No proof that Sovereign and Harbinger ever communicated. 

The last cutscene clearly shows the Reaper fleet powering up. 

Nicodemus wrote...

The New Normandy is upgraded by you and your crew with new stuff that other ships don't have. You kill the collector ship because of those upgrades, if you don't have them your ship takes a lot of damage and you get squad members killed. Collector ship at the start pulverises the orignal Normady, rips through shields and detects the stealth system. The new Normady contains a lot of cutting edge tech that no other ship has.. and then you upgrade it more. Even so, why would they make a move out of terminus space? We don't know all the details of the plan, for all we know the collectors were making a start on a new Reaper that would be finished off when the rest got to the Milky Way and started the reaping. They we also not expecting anyone to get through the Omega relay as evidenced but millenias worth of debris and dead ships, so was there a set timescale in place for the collectors to actually finish it?

The Thanix Cannon rivals a cruiser's firepower, that's it. By direct comparison the Collector ship would have been wrecked by anything resembling a fleet. You really believe it could stand up to a dreadnought?

The Normandy was never built to withstand straight-up punishment. Even then it took 3-5 shots to completely destroy it. The Normandy still has to dodge the Collector's main gun to pass that part of the game. 

They had to move out of the Terminus because there aren't enough humans to construct a Reaper. The Collectors would have to enter Alliance space and attack a planet, and then their one lone ship would have the tiny issue of actually fighting an advanced space fleet. 

Absolutely no point in building a new Reaper just to join the rest of them. It was a dumb plan from the start unless they wanted a new Reaper to open the Citadel relay. Even then there were better ways to replicate the same process without faking a whole invasion as a red herring. 

Nicodemus wrote...

Thats the whole point, when the reapers turn up, they cull ALL space faring races. Those that are deemed useful got turned into a new reaper, those that aren't get destroyed or repurposed. It's how the Reapers seem to propogate thier own species. Humans have been deemed worthy of being made into a new reaper, the other species fall into other categories.

We only know what they did with the Protheans. 

[Googlesaurus]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Googlesaurus wrote...

Unfired guns:

- The heretics' knowledge of the Reapers (if you rewrote them)
- The appearance and "disappearance" of the Leviathan of Dis on Jartar
- Dark energy affecting Haestrom's sun, Gianna's worries about dark energy interest
- Kasumi's greybox
- The mass accelerator weapon that destroyed the Derelict Reaper
- The genophage data (if recovered)
- Saren's research into indoctrination
- Cerberus' financial support within the Alliance military-industrial complex
- The rachni

I still believe that Klencory will have a far more effect on ME3 story than all the rest you lists for the simple reason that whatever lies on Klencory cant be killed or messed up in the two first episodes of Mass Effect.

Good eye there. 

[Sable Phoenix]

Googlesaurus wrote...

Nicodemus wrote...

Thats the whole point, when the reapers turn up, they cull ALL space faring races. Those that are deemed useful got turned into a new reaper, those that aren't get destroyed or repurposed. It's how the Reapers seem to propogate thier own species. Humans have been deemed worthy of being made into a new reaper, the other species fall into other categories.

We only know what they did with the Protheans. 

The Keepers as well.  Vigil hypothesizes that the Keepers were the very first race harvested.