The others mainly got the stiff end and were tired of the games the Alliance played, especially Joker. Also Jacob did work with the Corsairs, etc., but he faces a similar situation to that of Shepard's- his and Miranda's accomplishments in stopping a Batarian terrorist attack were put under the rug - so he isn't comparable to Ashley, who's clearly an Alliance fanatic or Kaidan, who's simply emo (or Carth Onasi reincarnated). [/quote]
Ashley/Kaiden helped save the frakking galaxy, and it got swept under the rug. Remember, the VS is one of the seven people (along with Anderson, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Joker, Chakwas, and Wrex, if alive) who seems to believe in the Reapers. Well, outside of Cerberus. They know what Shepard has done and gone through to save the galaxy.
Also, not to get into a character debate, but while Ashley is tempermental and opinionated, I never got the impression she was especially fanatical. And Kaiden struck me as the anti-Carth. Yeah they had the same voice, but Kaiden was always laid back and philosophical. He'd taken care of his baggage long ago and was content with his life (okay, maybe that makes him the anti-Jack)
Kind of odd how they had virtually identical dialogue on Horizon. It's like whoever wrote it neither knew nor cared about their seperate personalities.
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Yes, the VS knows just how bad Cerberus is, and knows that Shepard knows. He/she was there too for
Kahoku, Toombs, and so on as well. Yet the VS literally goes from "You're standing before a god/hero, Delan, back from the dead" to "You turned your back on everything we stood for!" You'd think an idealist would have found a reason why "Commander Shepard. Captain of the Normandy. First human Spectre. Savior of the Citadel", would have done this. As written, it's just a heavy-handed way to keep the VS from joining the team.[/quote]
You're oversimplifying a very complex situation. Regardless of how logical your reasoning sounds, people are
not always as rational as you'd like to think and are often unpredictable in such moments, which is what I like about this exchange they have. Remember that old saying "what works in theory doesn't always work in practice"? Adding the "why" to that time, which is unexpected and spontaneous runs the risk of making the emotions and the entire conversation seem forced in addition to compromising the raw verisimilitude in favor of a formulaic by the numbers approach. The "why" is not on the VS anyway, it's on Shepard, the hero they idolized, to defend himself and explain his actions, which he does, in a rather lackadaisical manner. This exchange between the two is a gun that simply fired a blank. The real emotional payoff should come in their probable reunion in the next game.
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I contend questions like "Why" and How" are very appropriate for the situation. Shepard! You're alive! How is this possible?" "Shepard! You're working with Cerberus? Why? You know what they've done!" Big hero, savior, mentor, love interest(possibly), friend, and most recently, savior of Horizon and the VS (again). Barring a full-on renegade playthrough where you treated your swuaddies like dirt, that should buy ten minutes of goodwill, minimum.
No arguements that Shepard's response was jsut as idiotic. I wanted to smack both of them in that scene.
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They're not encouraging them to cheat. Tali's been around forever - and already was interested in Shepard, as we learn if you're in a relationship with her when you speak to Liara in LOTSB. Miranda's not the one throwing herself at Shepard- she plays the ice queen throughout the game. Again, the blame is on Shepard for not keeping himself in check.
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That was a joke.
Though Miranda sitting on my screen got awfully distracting...
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