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The use of three exclamation points within the title surely got your blood pumping.

In the Mass Effect series we have Reapers! for the Commander to defeat. These dastardly creatures would destroy all advanced organic races to turn us into a gooey paste if not for our valiant SPECTRE.

In Dragon Age: Origins, we had the Blight! for the Warden to face off against. These dastardly creatures would destroy all non-darkspawn people and turn Thedas into a wasteland if nor for our brave Grey Warden.

In Dragon Age 2 we have... a mystery! We know that Hawke will become the Champion of Kirkwall, but what is the central conflict for the story? Who is our main antagonist that Hawke must go against?

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I'm not going to tell you.

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I don't know but the suspense is killing me!

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The Qunari, the Chantry, Templars, Flemeth and her mage army, darkspawn, random bandits and random woodland critters.

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Brockololly wrote...

The Qunari, the Chantry, Templars, Flemeth and her mage army, darkspawn, random bandits and random woodland critters.


That's not a central conflict.

leonia42 wrote...

I don't know but the suspense is killing me!


After you die, can I have your stuff?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 20 novembre 2010 - 04:05 .


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The Nug King

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Maria Caliban wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I don't know but the suspense is killing me!


After you die, can I have your stuff?


Only if you can figure out where I hid it.

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leonia42 wrote...
Only if you can figure out where I hid it.


First guess:  The same place Minsc hid Boo.

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leonia42 wrote...

Only if you can figure out where I hid it.


One only hopes this turns out better than my usual search for booty.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Only if you can figure out where I hid it.


One only hopes this turns out better than my usual search for booty.


I could stand to hear more about your stories of booty searching.. perhaps one such tale involves the Champion of Kirkwall and his/her rise to power?

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leonia42 wrote...

Only if you can figure out where I hid it.


Will we need a rogue?

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The entire series is a mystery. One meant to be solved piece by piece, per installment. Origins was just in introduction to it all.

From what we know, we'll be seeing the Qunari, more of Flemeth and her witch cult/army, and most likely more about the Elves and their gods. I doubt we'll know what the true central conflict is until release or right before it.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 20 novembre 2010 - 04:45 .


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Maria Caliban wrote...

In Dragon Age 2 we have... a mystery! We know that Hawke will become the Champion of Kirkwall, but what is the central conflict for the story? Who is our main antagonist that Hawke must go against?


I have no idea, especially with all the contradictory information, legends and lore about Flemeth. The more I learn, the less I know: the Flemeth/Morrigan dialogues in DA:O; Flemeth protecting the treaties; then aiding the warden and sending Morrigan along; then Morrigan's warning about Flemeth in WH: DA 2's renewed/rejuvenated Flemeth again aiding/guiding the main character somehow. (Flemeth may well be the alter-ego of one of the designers. "You are in maze of twisty, turny passages all alike".)

The biggest clue (to me) so far, seems to be that we know he will be the Champion of Kirkwall. Why does Kirkwall need a champion? Is he freeing Kirkwall, uniting factions within Kirkwall or the Free Marches? The other clue (to me) stems from the majority of the story playing out from Kirkwall–a departure from all previous BW games I've played before.

Given the Signature Edition deadline in early January, plus Christmas, guessing we'll see some additional clues or videos soon.

Edit: Given that one underground art scene, I wonder if this will mean a dungeon crawl underneath Kirkwall?

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leonia42 wrote...

Only if you can figure out where I hid it.


Will we need a rogue?


I don't even want to hear it, rogues are required to open up booty! Why can't my mage open up booty with magic?

it isn't fair!!!

Now seriously, I have no idea where this game is going. Sort of why I am interested in how they pull it off.  The dev's say there is no secret organization our character joins, and there is no big bad evil we must defeat to save the world. Yet, at the same time they say Hawke is the most important man in the world...........I don't have a clue.

Only thing I can guess is some super powerful alien in a big spaceship picked him at random to judge the fate of this planet upon his actions. If we steal that elf root in the peasants pantry at level 1 the world dies, if we ignore the temptation the world lives. Everything else is just fluff and monster killing.

Anyways, you don't need another elf root that bad.

Modifié par Kileyan, 20 novembre 2010 - 04:46 .


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Well... I like that it isn't a clear cut story template (or doesn't seem to be) and could veer the most from the Bioware norm than any of their other recent games. Still, I would guess given their openness revealing the Qunari in marketing material so far that they will be sold as the games primary antagonist, presumably with a leader to focus on.



The only snag with that theory is that usually the games antagonist is made clear early (Saren/Geth/Sorta-Reapers, Darkspawn/Blight) But with DA2 it seems like it could take a while before the Qunari show up and the first thing the player see's is in fact the Darkspawn.



With that in mind perhaps the real focus of the game will ultimately be this: In Dragon Age II we have the Mage revolt! (for want of a better name) With the Chantry split asunder and chaos sweeping across Thedas all will be lost, withouteven the need for a Blight, if not for the power wielded by our Champion of Kirkwall!



Yeah that sucked but considering how the Qunari won't be mentioned at all until later in the game (from what we know) and how certain elements that inform (potentially) about the Chantry crisis are seeded through the beginning of the game (the Varric/Cass stuff, Bethany the apostate, Flemeth) it's what I would speculate will be the primary conflict sold alongside Hawke's rise to Championship.

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I'm assuming Hawke "does something" to end the qunari war. Something which goes a bit agley. Maybe he physically enters the fade of something (taste that fade level!).

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The primary antagonist, you ask?

The dual-wileding Qunari from the CGI trailer, of course!

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Even though this game focuses on Hawke, I can't help but wonder how the Wardens will factor into the Chantry-Mage conflict. They're an army without much to do since the ending of the Fifth Blight and they, like the Chantry, aren't restricted to any one nation.

But I guess we won't see the full on war (or whatever it will be called) until after DA 2, it really feels like we're being set up for something bigger to come later on. Unless the framed narrative ends in time for us to jump in on the major global conflict action.

The qunari have me a bit stumped, they've been at war with Tevinter for ages now so why are they suddenly able to make a big push down into Kirkwall? Especially when they have a tentative "peace" with all nations but Tevinter?

Or maybe there will me a multitude of conflicts going on in an attempt to distract us from the real threat, which probably involves Flemeth and/or Morrigan. You know Flemeth would find a way to use the chaos of war to her advantage somehow, but to what end?

Modifié par leonia42, 20 novembre 2010 - 05:07 .


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leonia42 wrote...

Even though this game focuses on Hawke, I can't help but wonder how the Wardens will factor into the Chantry-Mage conflict. They're an army without much to do since the ending of the Fifth Blight and they, like the Chantry, aren't restricted to any one nation.

But I guess we won't see the full on war (or whatever it will be called) until after DA 2, it really feels like we're being set up for something bigger to come later on. Unless the framed narrative ends in time for us to jump in on the major global conflict action.

The qunari have me a bit stumped, they've been at war with Tevinter for ages now so why are they suddenly able to make a big push down into Kirkwall? Especially when they have a tentative "peace" with all nations but Tevinter?

Or maybe there will me a multitude of conflicts going on in an attempt to distract us from the real threat, which probably involves Flemeth and/or Morrigan. You know Flemeth would find a way to use the chaos of war to her advantage somehow, but to what end?






I'd imagine it'll be like being in high school all over again where some idiot would say "So-and-so wants to beat your A**." even though they dont and it starts a huge thing just because the idiot was bored and a idiot.



Flemeth: The idiot


Qunari: person/people who want to do said a** beating


Us (Kirkwall or whatever): The person being told such.

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Kirkwall is infested with giant rats getting into all the larders. After clearing out most of the cities rat infestation, you realize that the sewer sytem hides the true foe. A huge super rat queen named mother Ratzinski. Only after she is defeated will Hawke be called the champion of Kirkwall. Cassandra needs help findiing the champion because the remaining retreating rats have holed up in the chantry and have taken hostages. They make their last desperate stand there.

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Tiax Rules All wrote...

Kirkwall is infested with giant rats getting into all the larders. After clearing out most of the cities rat infestation, you realize that the sewer sytem hides the true foe. A huge super rat queen named <other Ratzinski. Only after she is defeated will Hawke be called the champion of Kirkwall. Cassandra needs help findiing the champion because the remaining retreating rats have holed up in the chantry and have taken hostages. They make their last desperate stand there.

As bonus content the rats carry AIDS and practice ballerina.

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Jarek_Cousland wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Even though this game focuses on Hawke, I can't help but wonder how the Wardens will factor into the Chantry-Mage conflict. They're an army without much to do since the ending of the Fifth Blight and they, like the Chantry, aren't restricted to any one nation.

But I guess we won't see the full on war (or whatever it will be called) until after DA 2, it really feels like we're being set up for something bigger to come later on. Unless the framed narrative ends in time for us to jump in on the major global conflict action.

The qunari have me a bit stumped, they've been at war with Tevinter for ages now so why are they suddenly able to make a big push down into Kirkwall? Especially when they have a tentative "peace" with all nations but Tevinter?

Or maybe there will me a multitude of conflicts going on in an attempt to distract us from the real threat, which probably involves Flemeth and/or Morrigan. You know Flemeth would find a way to use the chaos of war to her advantage somehow, but to what end?






I'd imagine it'll be like being in high school all over again where some idiot would say "So-and-so wants to beat your A**." even though they dont and it starts a huge thing just because the idiot was bored and a idiot.



Flemeth: The idiot


Qunari: person/people who want to do said a** beating


Us (Kirkwall or whatever): The person being told such.


LOL thats pretty good and a good analogy. Hawke is important because he learns at the end, that the chick whispering in his ear is a troublemaking witch, and he refuses to fight, He doesn't start a war that would have decimated all he knows, and doesn't have to fight a big bad to save the world. Flemeth goes on for Biowares next expansions.

Of course, then it will get really old, when you know what the big bad guy is, but each game, you are never allowed to finish it, just keep playing the same old sucker over and over.

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Maybe it's the former champion of Kirkwall, fallen from grace, spiteful.

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leonia42 wrote...

The qunari have me a bit stumped, they've been at war with Tevinter for ages now so why are they suddenly able to make a big push down into Kirkwall? Especially when they have a tentative "peace" with all nations but Tevinter?

I think that the Qunari are stuck with thier invasion plans cause those powerful mages they hate are in their way. And I am pretty sure since Kirkwall is smaller than the Imperium and readily accessable by sea, they may try to conqur the lands to the south as well and force the Imperium into a two-front war. This is a tactically sound invasion plan if history shows us anything

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The big bad is Change... Its the Hawke Files: Fight The Future!