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[Teknor]

Archereon wrote...
Flemeth is just made to be the "Big Bad" of a Dragon Age game.

You don't know that.

[Ziggeh]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Perhaps Hawke is actually the bad guy, you just play from their perspective.

I'd love that, I really would.

[Captain Noodle]

Who's to say that we will have a Big Bad-type character? Honestly, what intrigues me about Dragon Age 2 is that it deviates from the standard "evil force threatening all existence" seen in so many games I can't list them.



I personally hope that DA2 focuses on Hawke's struggles as he fights to secure his place in the world, and not his efforts to defeat some implacable evil force.

[Legbiter]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The use of three exclamation points within the title surely got your blood pumping.

In the Mass Effect series we have Reapers! for the Commander to defeat. These dastardly creatures would destroy all advanced organic races to turn us into a gooey paste if not for our valiant SPECTRE.

In Dragon Age: Origins, we had the Blight! for the Warden to face off against. These dastardly creatures would destroy all non-darkspawn people and turn Thedas into a wasteland if nor for our brave Grey Warden.

In Dragon Age 2 we have... a mystery! We know that Hawke will become the Champion of Kirkwall, but what is the central conflict for the story? Who is our main antagonist that Hawke must go against?

Our egos. DA 2 will play like a low-key Swedish film from the 70's in which we confront our own personal demons and pathetically fail to master them.

[Maria Caliban]

shepard_lives wrote...

We've got plenty of asses to kick. Templars-Chantry, Qunari, Flemeth, maybe the Dalish?
But, I will once again remind the forums that one of the first things we were told about the game was "No secret organization. No ancient evil. No saving the world."
The focus is instead the question, "Who was the Champion of Kirkwall?" which, is you ask me, is totally awesome.

"Hawke fights a wide range of people simply because she can" is not the most compelling of stories.

Legbiter wrote...

Our egos. DA 2 will play like a low-key Swedish film from the 70's in which we confront our own personal demons and pathetically fail to master them.

That would be nice, but it's a touch too avant-garde for BioWare. For one thing, it would mean has personal demons, which people would cry bloody murder over as it hampers their role-playing.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Perhaps Hawke is actually the bad guy, you just play from their perspective.

That still doesn't tell me what the central conflict is.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 20 novembre 2010 - 09:59 .

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Perhaps Hawke is actually the bad guy, you just play from their perspective.

That still doesn't tell me what the central conflict is.

Too many people to kill, not enough time? 

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Too many people to kill, not enough time? 

Amusing. Does Hawke manage to schedule in all the bloodbaths or does he learn to relax and that he can be happy while not killing everyone?

[HighMoon]

Imagine if Hawke's mom ended up being the final boss.



Her attacks would include smothering you with kisses, her super deadly love-hug, and her "lecture" spell which drains all your magic. She also throws dirty laundry at you.

[AtreiyaN7]

leonia42 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

A conflict between the Imperial Chantry and the Chantry of Andraste (Black Divine vs. White Divine) perhaps? Maybe war will break out between them for some reason.

The only difficulty with that is it will force the Tevinter to fight on two fronts: against the qunari and the rest of Thedas. Not that I don't think it's an interesting idea, a lot of information implies that the two chantries will go to war with one another eventually. But maybe while the qunari are busy harassing people in the Free Marches, it will give the Imperium time to rebuild and regain momentum. 'Tis hard to say really, but I imagine there's more than one major conflict going on.

Since the game takes place over the span of ten years, I think it's conceivable that this could be the crisis in the "present" that Cassandra wants Hawke's help with. Maybe she's trying to suss out whether Hawke (given Hawke's bloodline - mages in the family & all) would be more supportive of the Black Chantrty or would assist the Chantry of Andraste in open warfare. Within the span of years preceding Hawke's "present," perhaps the Tevinter will have dealt with the qunari problem.

Yep, sometimes I get all serious and do not refer to delicious foodstuffs at all! BTW, if I've somehow been extraordinarily prescient and predicted either a current or a future storyline, you BioWare guys can just PM me. I vow to keep anything you spill toooootally confidental.*

*Totally confidential if you bribe me with cookies that is.

[Xewaka]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Perhaps Hawke is actually the bad guy, you just play from their perspective.

I'd love that, I really would.

Ah, Dungeon Keeper memories...

[Derengard]

They copy some bossfight from an old PS1-title and call it a new direction, better graphics and all. And there'll be a dialog-option where you can apply your relativism skills to convince the enemy that he's nonexistent but that there actually stands a more original character in place of him.

[Ziggeh]

Xewaka wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Perhaps Hawke is actually the bad guy, you just play from their perspective.

I'd love that, I really would.

Ah, Dungeon Keeper memories...

Oh no, I'd like to play a good character only to find out later that he's only good from your position. That would be spectacular.

[hexaligned]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Perhaps Hawke is actually the bad guy, you just play from their perspective.

I'd love that, I really would.

Ah, Dungeon Keeper memories...

Oh no, I'd like to play a good character only to find out later that he's only good from your position. That would be spectacular.

If I'm understanding you right, you'd need a third person limited (POV) to pull it off well, much of which would be Ego dellusion, a bit ambitious for a video game, but sure why not, the attempt would be commendable at least.

Modifié par relhart, 21 novembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[Ziggeh]

relhart wrote...

If I'm understanding you right, you'd need a third person limited (POV) to pull it off well, much of which would be Ego dellusion, a bit ambitious for a video game, but sure why not, the attempt would be comendable at least.

This is a clumsy example, but hopefully it will illustrate:

Say as Hawke you're such a successful champion, you not only stop the Qunari invasion, you push them back, freeing the people they've previously subjugated. Freeing slaves, saving mages etc

Then in DA3, or the epilogue, you see if from the Qunari perspective. Some crazy assed guy with nutella on his face killed half your neighbours, invaded your land and detached you from the society you rely upon.

I'm obsessed with the idea that what we see as "evil" is more often than not well meaning in the eyes of those perpetrating it.

[Fishy]

A Clone Army Of Gaider.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Bioware is our main antagonist in DA 2, until the modding community can give us back dwarven and elven PCs, dual wielding and archery for warriors, a mute button for the protagonist, more PC and NPC customization and a bunch of other things.

[Atakuma]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Bioware is our main antagonist in DA 2, until the modding community can give us back dwarven and elven PCs, dual wielding and archery for warriors, a mute button for the protagonist, more PC and NPC customization and a bunch of other things.

I sense much entitlement in you.

Modifié par Atakuma, 21 novembre 2010 - 03:52 .

[Ziggeh]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Bioware is our main antagonist in DA 2, until the modding community can give us back dwarven and elven PCs, dual wielding and archery for warriors, a mute button for the protagonist, more PC and NPC customization and a bunch of other things.

At the end of the game you get to play Origins through again.

[Atakuma]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Bioware is our main antagonist in DA 2, until the modding community can give us back dwarven and elven PCs, dual wielding and archery for warriors, a mute button for the protagonist, more PC and NPC customization and a bunch of other things.

At the end of the game you get to play Origins through again.

No, after you play the game all traces of origins will be wiped of the face of the earth.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Atakuma wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Bioware is our main antagonist in DA 2, until the modding community can give us back dwarven and elven PCs, dual wielding and archery for warriors, a mute button for the protagonist, more PC and NPC customization and a bunch of other things.

I sence much entitlement in you.

Not entitlement, just a sensation that DA 2 is moving backwards in regards to game design on many levels. I would like to see Bioware do well, but I would rather it not conform to the generic whims of the gaming industry. I have no power over any of this but I would like to voice my opinion. There are too many fanboys and yes-men on the forums, there should be more constructive criticism!  Regardless, I hope they do well even if I don't buy DA 2. Bioware is better than most companies out there still.

P.S, I think you meant "sense" not "sence."

[2papercuts]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Perhaps Hawke is actually the bad guy, you just play from their perspective.

I'd love that, I really would.

no that would suck ive had to many stories end that way recently

[Ziggeh]

2papercuts wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Perhaps Hawke is actually the bad guy, you just play from their perspective.

I'd love that, I really would.

no that would suck ive had to many stories end that way recently

Really? Which ones? Seriously, I'd love to check them out.

[2papercuts]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Perhaps Hawke is actually the bad guy, you just play from their perspective.

I'd love that, I really would.

no that would suck ive had to many stories end that way recently

Really? Which ones? Seriously, I'd love to check them out.

unless i didn't understand Onyx Jaguar thats a fairly common ending

for example Braid

[Ziggeh]

2papercuts wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Really? Which ones? Seriously, I'd love to check them out.

unless i didn't understand Onyx Jaguar thats a fairly common ending

for example Braid

That sounds right, but obviously in a fairly simplistic manner. Any others you know of?