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[ok go]

BW can always pull she has sex with both but only dates the opposite, that would suck, though i dont want everyone to be bisexual.

[Ziggeh]

Out of interest, if a female character were to tell a male PC she was straight and allow a relation, yet tell a female PC she was lesbian and allow a relationship, would you assume she was lying in both cases or that her sexuality is based upon your gender selection?

edit: not so much @ok go, open question

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 20 novembre 2010 - 11:46 .

[Eveangaline]

Considering the kind of game DA was, I'd assume she was lying.



But then, my first playthrough was dwarf noble, who's origin made me paranoid EVERYONE was lying to me.

[Ortaya Alevli]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Out of interest, if a female character were to tell a male PC she was straight and allow a relation, yet tell a female PC she was lesbian and allow a relationship, would you assume she was lying in both cases or that her sexuality is based upon your gender selection?

edit: not so much @ok go, open question

I would assume she is repurposed due to resources diverted.

Meaning, in a way, that I wouldn't even see her as a "character".

[Ziggeh]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...
I would assume she is repurposed due to resources diverted.

Meaning, in a way, that I wouldn't even see her as a "character".

Even though the distinction would only exist externally?

[Ortaya Alevli]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...
I would assume she is repurposed due to resources diverted.

Meaning, in a way, that I wouldn't even see her as a "character".

Even though the distinction would only exist externally?

Yes.

Would take me two playthroughs to go WTF, perhaps, but WTF would be there nonetheless.

[Maugrim]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Out of interest, if a female character were to tell a male PC she was straight and allow a relation, yet tell a female PC she was lesbian and allow a relationship, would you assume she was lying in both cases or that her sexuality is based upon your gender selection?

edit: not so much @ok go, open question

I would assume that this was just pure lazy writing that makes no sense whatsoever.   Sexuality doesn't soley define who you are but it does play a part and to the extent that there would be differences between characters who are exactly the same except for their sexuality.  The "two" characters would have fallen into love/lust with different people, been more or less open with their sexuality, modified by which country they came from etc. Small differences would lead to largely divergent histories.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 21 novembre 2010 - 12:07 .

[M-Taylor]

Romances that I hope to see:

A 'fallen from grace' sort of romance, like someone said before. Someone who's done a horrible thing (not too horrible, so you don't abserloutly hate the guy/girl), but you find yourself oddly forgiving of the person. That redemption lets them feel remorse, possibly unsettled and eventually completely changes the person, with your guidance.

A sort of broken person, but not in a horrible 'your so emo, getting near you would result with needles in my eyes'. So someone who's experienced, seen the world, had their heart broken either by a lover or family and generally just doesn't want to get close. Since this game will span over 10 years, props for making the development slooooow. Like, seriously, a good few years before they even CONSIDER you.

I can't really think of any more... but there is one feature I really WANT to see. (not sure if anyone has suggested this, since I've replied from like, reply 8.. so yeah).

I really wish, and hope and pray, that one day, a developer will implant a system were your companions matter too. Matter as in, a real life sense. They don't revolve around your every wim and develope relationships that have no impact on you.

For example, friendship. In Origins, we get the hint that companions do infact develope friendship, but it doesn't go into huge amount of details. I wish you could obviously see and distinguish what companions like/dislike each other, and that could have a very large impact and consequence on your game play. I want this to apply to all companions, and not just some. (Ergo, Morrigan and everyone hating her >.>).

And secondly, I wish they would implant a system were companions develope romances on their own with no help from you, and you might even need to rival them. For example, from the Darkspawn Chronicles, we can infer that Lelianne and Alistair infact end up as a couple if you died in your Origins. Why can't something like this have been implanted in the original campaign.. .

And if you wanted to romance, say, Alistair, then Lelianne would've been a 'rival' (obviously, if you persisted long enough, you would win Alistair. There's no use having an NPC be the prefered romance choice over your player character, and could potentially ruin peoples story and role playing immersions).

So yeah.. a system were everybody loves, hates and likes on their own! :v

[Maria Caliban]

I would find it odd to come across the word 'lesbian' and 'straight' in a fantasy game. That someone would identify themselves as such would strike me as out of place. Leliana agreeing that she enjoyed the company of women or simply talking about her sexual history seems much more in character.



But, yes, like the others, if a woman told me she was straight in one playthrough and a lesbian in another, I'd assume BioWare's writers lost it for a bit.

[Xewaka]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I would find it odd to come across the word 'lesbian' and 'straight' in a fantasy game.

Yet using "deviant", while probably more fitting to the setting, would case a huge uproar. Sometimes there has to be compromise.

[Eveangaline]

M-Taylor wrote...
And secondly, I wish they would implant a system were companions develope romances on their own with no help from you, and you might even need to rival them. For example, from the Darkspawn Chronicles, we can infer that Lelianne and Alistair infact end up as a couple if you died in your Origins. Why can't something like this have been implanted in the original campaign.. .

And if you wanted to romance, say, Alistair, then Lelianne would've been a 'rival' (obviously, if you persisted long enough, you would win Alistair. There's no use having an NPC be the prefered romance choice over your player character, and could potentially ruin peoples story and role playing immersions).

So yeah.. a system were everybody loves, hates and likes on their own! :v

So you want...Harvest moon style romance?

I could get behind that.

[Ziggeh]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I would find it odd to come across the word 'lesbian' and 'straight' in a fantasy game. That someone would identify themselves as such would strike me as out of place. Leliana agreeing that she enjoyed the company of women or simply talking about her sexual history seems much more in character.

True, the phrasing would likely need to be a touch more subtle, I was just interested to see the extent to which people bring external knowledge to the internal story.

[Ryzaki]

Xewaka wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I would find it odd to come across the word 'lesbian' and 'straight' in a fantasy game.

Yet using "deviant", while probably more fitting to the setting, would case a huge uproar. Sometimes there has to be compromise.

Though being called a deviant would be a bit interesting. I don't know I just feel like...for all the supposed racism in DAO...there really wasnt anything to it except the origin. And that could be taken as Vaughn being a douche. I guess the Loghain with the slaves in the alienage would be racist but...I don't know. I wanted a protagonist to be a bit racist.

[crimzontearz]

Eveangaline wrote...

M-Taylor wrote...
And secondly, I wish they would implant a system were companions develope romances on their own with no help from you, and you might even need to rival them. For example, from the Darkspawn Chronicles, we can infer that Lelianne and Alistair infact end up as a couple if you died in your Origins. Why can't something like this have been implanted in the original campaign.. .

And if you wanted to romance, say, Alistair, then Lelianne would've been a 'rival' (obviously, if you persisted long enough, you would win Alistair. There's no use having an NPC be the prefered romance choice over your player character, and could potentially ruin peoples story and role playing immersions).

So yeah.. a system were everybody loves, hates and likes on their own! :v

So you want...Harvest moon style romance?

I could get behind that.

I agree.......I'd have loved to compete for Velanna's affection in Awakening......

[Ryzaki]

Eh...competing for someone's affection doesn't interest me. If the person's interested in me they are and we're fine, if they're not they're not and I'm not going to squabble over someone's affection.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 novembre 2010 - 12:33 .

[Maria Caliban]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Even though the distinction would only exist externally?

It doesn't exist only externally. A character is defined by the totality of their expression though a reader/player may experience that differently.

"Morrigan is a b*tch" is an external distinction while "Morrigan is a swamp-witch" is an internal one.

A character that identifies as straight around the opposite sex and gay around the same-sex has conflicting internal definitions unless we have reason to believe the character would lie or otherwise say these things.

Conflict in internal definition is not a horrible thing or unique to games. I can show you comics where Superman can't fly and Batman kills criminals without remorse. I once recall an Australian author talk about how she forgot that a character had lost his arm in book 2 and so in book 3 he returned with two arms (which he then lost in book 4 when she realized the problem.)

Heck, James Bond has been played by 8 different actors now and no one complains about the hero constantly changing his physical form.

What you're talking about is a very blatant type of contradiction that exists within the same work, couldn't be the result of authorial mistake, and doesn't seem to have much purpose.

In fact, it does nothing but undermine the illusion of character.

Xewaka wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I would find it odd to come across the word 'lesbian' and 'straight' in a fantasy game.

Yet using "deviant", while probably more fitting to the setting, would case a huge uproar. Sometimes there has to be compromise.

'Huge uproar' meaning five people on the forums would create a 30 page thread while no one else cared.

Zevran himself admits that people often look down on him because of his relations with men but no one complained. Sten made a boldfaced sexist comment, but the vast majority of female players seemed to not resent him or BioWare for it.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 novembre 2010 - 12:37 .

[Dave of Canada]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Heck, James Bond has been played by 8 different actors now and no one complains about the hero constantly changing his physical form.

I thought James Bond was more of a codename / undercover name. It's different agents that just all love women. A lot.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 novembre 2010 - 12:35 .

[Ortaya Alevli]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Heck, James Bond has been played by 8 different actors now and no one complains about the hero constantly changing his physical form.

I thought James Bond was more of a codename / undercover name. It's different agents that just all love women. A lot.

May as well be. I mean, Daniel Craig.

Daniel Craig.

Gimme a break.

[KJandrew]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Heck, James Bond has been played by 8 different actors now and no one complains about the hero constantly changing his physical form.

I thought James Bond was more of a codename / undercover name. It's different agents that just all love women. A lot.

Nah Sean Connery has mearly been moving through various hosts on his quest to sleep with anything that has ever batted its eyelashes at him

[crimzontearz]

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh...competing for someone's affection doesn't interest me. If the person's interested in me they are and we're fine, if they're not they're not and I'm not going to squabble over someone's affection.

eh....I'm a (sometimes violently) possessive and territorial  guy....hence why I wanted to smack Zevran each time she made a pass at Lelliana

[Xewaka]

Ryzaki wrote...

Though being called a deviant would be a bit interesting. I don't know I just feel like...for all the supposed racism in DAO...there really wasnt anything to it except the origin. And that could be taken as Vaughn being a douche. I guess the Loghain with the slaves in the alienage would be racist but...I don't know. I wanted a protagonist to be a bit racist.

[Maria Caliban]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

True, the phrasing would likely need to be a touch more subtle, I was just interested to see the extent to which people bring external knowledge to the internal story.

You mean how would my PC react? She's probably assume it was the truth and it would never bother her.

That said 'subtle' phrasing gets around the problem in its own way. If a woman subtly tells me she likes women, I don't assume she identifies as gay or that she's only interested in women.

I think (again) Leliana is a good example here. A male PC never needs to learn to her attraction to other women. When the game first came out, I recall people coming to the forums and being surprised that she was bisexual. All they knew is that she supported their relationship with Zevran/Alistiar/Morrigan or that she was interested in them.

[Ryzaki]

crimzontearz wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh...competing for someone's affection doesn't interest me. If the person's interested in me they are and we're fine, if they're not they're not and I'm not going to squabble over someone's affection.

eh....I'm a (sometimes violently) possessive and territorial  guy....hence why I wanted to smack Zevran each time she made a pass at Lelliana

Eh. As long as Leliana doesn't reciprocate while I'm standing right there. (While my Warden says nothing *grumbes*) I could care less.

[Ryzaki]

Xewaka wrote...


*You humans are all racist pic snipped* 

Actually I think ME did racism pretty decently. Granted it was alien species but still. If I wanted the DA teamto take anything from the ME squad it would've been that. Not what they did end up taking.

[ok go]

i want to have sex buddies, just like irl.