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[ejoslin]

Marjolaine and Rinna really cannot be compared at ALL. Marjolaine used and manipulated Leliana. Zevran was terrified of having feelings for Rinna and allowed her to be killed.
Their upbringing really cannot be compared at ALL. Leliana was raised by a noble woman, Zevran was raised first in a ****house then by an assassin guild.
Zevran does not have a leather boot fetish nor a particular love of shoes. The smell of leather reminded him of his first apartment outside of the ****house (females don't get the tight leather clothing comment fwiw).
Zevran never refuses to talk about his background. He tells you it from the start. he just doesn't talk about his last mission until he either adores the warden or considers them a friend.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 novembre 2010 - 07:47 .

[Ryzaki]

The only thing that annoys me about DA is and always will be that those two are the only rogues.



Seriously? Why couldn't we get another rogue PC?

[Zjarcal]

Ryzaki wrote...

The only thing that annoys me about DA is and always will be that those two are the only rogues.

Seriously? Why couldn't we get another rogue PC?

You can be the third! 

I would've also loved to have another rogue in the party, but that's mostly because I wanted to have a full party of rogues. Having Nate in Origins would've been awesome.

[Moondoggie]

I dunno if they are THAT similar. I think when you are writing deep backgrounds for characters theres only so many ways you can go especially with a Rogue type character who are typically thieves and assasin types. I guess some tragic events to make them question the right and wrong of their lifestyle is about the best that could be done so they have some similarities in background but they are unique enough to make the characters feel seperate.

[Ryzaki]

The Water God wrote...
Well its not just that but its that the only two bisexuals in DA are rouges? Why couldn't we have a big strong warrior dude who's bi.

I was trying to forget about that.

Zjarcal wrote...
You can be the third! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I
would've also loved to have another rogue in the party, but that's
mostly because I wanted to have a full party of rogues. Having Nate in
Origins would've been awesome.

I don't like playing rogues.

DWW is where it's at! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

[Corker]

No, no, it's Zevran and Alistair who are too much alike.

Both are men.
Both have blond hair.
Both lost their mothers young.
Both like swords.
Both like women.
Both have experience with the Chantry but aren't really active in worship
Both spent time training with a strict martial order

...um, yeah... no.  You can find similarities between all the LIs, I think.  (Morrigan and Alistair, both raised without affection!  Leliana and Morrigan, both use men for their own ends!) but the relationships aren't really all that similar, no.

[Corker]

The Water God wrote...

Yeah I know. But when I see them together I usually feel that the chemistry between them somewhat fits together. Or in other words they could easily relate to one another.

Oh, this on the other hand, I'd agree with. I think Zevran and hardened!Leliana would make a terrifying couple. Nothing enduring, but they'd raise six kinds of hell all through Ferelden and run Anora's knickers up a flagpole in Denerim before they were done.

[Raelis25]

I didn't think they had 'the exact same background', but I thought there were some similarities that explained why Zev and Leli 'clicked' so easily. I always got the impression those two genuinely liked each other, even if it took Leliana some time to get used to Zev's outrageous manner of flirting. I can easily see them as close friends and I actually thought they were quite friendly with each other by the end of both my play-throughs.



Now, Zevran and Morrigan also have quite a few things in common (they both fear falling in love, for example), but I certainly didn't feel they were particularly friendly with each other, whereas Zev and Leli got along very well.

[Zjarcal]

Corker wrote...

No, no, it's Zevran and Alistair who are too much alike.

Both are men.
Both have blond hair.
Both lost their mothers young.
Both like swords.
Both like women.
Both have experience with the Chantry but aren't really active in worship
Both spent time training with a strict martial order

...um, yeah... no.  You can find similarities between all the LIs, I think.  (Morrigan and Alistair, both raised without affection!  Leliana and Morrigan, both use men for their own ends!) but the relationships aren't really all that similar, no.

This post is full of win.

[ejoslin]

Morrigan also says Zevran is attractive. And no one seems to be judging anyone's sexuality anyway... And, hmmm, Zevran only tells Leliana that he and the warden had sex if the warden is also romancing Leliana. i'm not so sure that would be categorized as boasting as it is, well, smacking your competition.

Edit; if you want to find similarities, you will.  I find there are far more differences.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 novembre 2010 - 09:55 .

[Addai]

I did appreciate that they branched out a bit more with rogues in Awakening, both character and gameplay-wise.  Edit:  But with Isabela it looks a bit like reverting to form...

Modifié par Addai67, 20 novembre 2010 - 10:12 .

[ok go]

Leliana just likes making conversation

[ejoslin]

There was nothing hostile in what I sad at all. Just because some disagrees with you doesn't mean they're hostile towards you.

I know the banter which you speak of, where she thinks their backgrounds are similar in that she was a bard and he was an assassin. He agreed after she told him she at least tried to make clean kills. So assassins and bards are similar -- of course they are.

so, to quote myself from above:

I wrote...
Marjolaine and Rinna really cannot be compared at ALL. Marjolaine used and manipulated Leliana. Zevran was terrified of having feelings for Rinna and allowed her to be killed.
Their upbringing really cannot be compared at ALL. Leliana was raised by a noble woman, Zevran was raised first in a ****house then by an assassin guild.
Zevran does not have a leather boot fetish nor a particular love of shoes. The smell of leather reminded him of his first apartment outside of the ****house (females don't get the tight leather clothing comment fwiw).
Zevran never refuses to talk about his background. He tells you it from the start. he just doesn't talk about his last mission until he either adores the warden or considers them a friend.

So a lot of the things you think are similar are really just generalities, and they're not really similarities at all once you look at them.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 novembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[ok go]

isabela cheated on her husband with zevran, that should explain her and Zev's personality. I really can't see many similarities between Lel and Zev.

Modifié par ok go, 20 novembre 2010 - 10:42 .

[ejoslin]

The Water God wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

There was nothing hostile in what I sad at all. Just because some disagrees with you doesn't mean they're hostile towards you.

I know the banter which you speak of, where she thinks their backgrounds are similar in that she was a bard and he was an assassin. He agreed after she told him she at least tried to make clean kills. So assassins and bards are similar -- of course they are.

so, to quote myself from above:

I wrote...
Marjolaine and Rinna really cannot be compared at ALL. Marjolaine used and manipulated Leliana. Zevran was terrified of having feelings for Rinna and allowed her to be killed.
Their upbringing really cannot be compared at ALL. Leliana was raised by a noble woman, Zevran was raised first in a ****house then by an assassin guild.
Zevran does not have a leather boot fetish nor a particular love of shoes. The smell of leather reminded him of his first apartment outside of the ****house (females don't get the tight leather clothing comment fwiw).
Zevran never refuses to talk about his background. He tells you it from the start. he just doesn't talk about his last mission until he either adores the warden or considers them a friend.

okay...... good to know. Btw you don't have to make the exact same post twice....... 

Anyways I  forgot to mention that when I talked about their bisexuality I met more in terms that Leliana would be able to understand that better than someone like Alistair, or Oghren, Or Morrigan. (And Oghren does a few comments on Zevs homosexuality. So I guess thats technically judgemental.)

And I hardly see Morrigan and Zevran as friends.

well, I just quoted a post which illustrated many of the 'similarities" you are insisting on actually are not.

Well, to pick a nit, zevran is not homosexual, he's bisexual, and while Oghren calls him a pipe cleaner and such, when it comes to Zevran and a male warden together, Oghren just asks them to keep it down and is not disparging of the relationship.  And he calls Zevran a pipe cleaner and a swish even if Zevran is involved with a female warden, so it more likely is a elf/dwarf thing.

And I never said Morrigan and Zevran were friends, though I don't get the impression that they dislike each other.  She's suspicious of him, of course, as all the companions are, but she's never outright hostile towards him.  she also has said he's attractive.  Zevran certainly is the only LI (aside herself of course) that Morrigan approves of the warden being with.

but the point is, Zevran and Leliana are not that similar.  while they were both assassins and bisexual, it really is a stretch to say their backgrounds are similar.

[ok go]

both being assassins, i can't think of any other reason. they handle their sexuality alot differently too.