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[GodWood]

Playing renegade does not mean you have to be a jerk to everyone.

By that logic playing paragon requires you to try and get in everyones pants.

[Count Viceroy]

No, I have problems playing paragon, funnily enough. I take pride in my cynicism, and the ridiculous naive idealism of paragon shepard reaches facepalm worthy levels on multiple occasions.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 21 novembre 2010 - 09:40 .

[deleted]

Only Shepard can afford to be a sociopath. I can't. Hence the appeal of playing renegade.

[Encarmine]

seriously, renegade isnt as bad as you paragon lovers fear, its just Shep doesnt take **** from people, if you want to avoid being a total ****** somtimes, you can always go for the middle ground option in chats.



for EG, when Jacob says

'Do you trust me commander'

and i choose the middle option -

'Ive not made my mind up about you yet'

jacob says

'guess it was kinda silly to expect you to trust me just because i asked, ill have to earn your trust instead'



So its not so evil as you think, the worst time for me playing renegade, is leaving the worker from Illium tower mission to just die, infront of mordin, who did have a little go at me for not helping.



You also find, as a full renegade, while doing the loyalty missions, that your crew themselves become way more renegade also, normally involving them killing somone also. Grunts loyalty mission is awesom as renegade.



here is a vid of renegade sherperd for those who will never play it.



Dialog Spoiler Warning!





it was this vid that made me go renegade, its so funny

[Gibb_Shepard]

I can never go full renegade, being a jerk to my squad isn't joyful to me. I also can't kill certain characters as a renegade. I prefer to be a badass, slightly ruthless renegade; not an ****, emotionally impaired renegade.

[yykaakoo]

Gotta say Encarmine: "Numa numa jei. Numanumanuma jei..." : D



Also: play ME2 as a renegade adept => feel like a sith.



But to get serious, I haven't yet properly played a renegade character but I think I'll do it after I get my current playthrough done. But gotta say that I have enjoyed playing paragon. Is there something wrong with me?

[catabuca]

I have zero problems with being full renegade in ME (1&2). However, I just can't be horrible in Dragon Age, and in Fable III I'm finding it really difficult (I'm dragging people to their deaths in my evil temple, rather than actually making the 'bad' decisions). I think I've never really seen the ME renegade decisions as truly bad, but more harshly pragmatic. That being said, I've never once chosen one of the Terra Firma, racist/xenophobic options, but have chosen just about every other renegade option in both games.

Most of the time my Sheps are paragades, which I think actually reflects my own stance, as a socialist who easily gets pissed off with people. That being said, some of the most fun I've had is when playing a complete renegade.

[catabuca]

Count Viceroy wrote...

No, I have problems playing paragon, funnily enough. I take pride in my cynicism, and the ridiculous naive idealism of paragon shepard reaches facepalm worthy levels on multiple occasions.

This is true. Some of the paragon choices just don't seem realistic at all in light of the decisions you're making and the forces you're battling against.

I actually really like the way ME's morality system works. Even though I primarily play paragade, and occasionally renagon, I've never once had a problem where I can't use a paragon/renegade option when it's been needed. I've never lost anyone's loyalty because of it. I've occasionally not been able to access some of those options on missions (like the one where you interrogate that guy in c-sec - I think), but none of them have been game breakers. I always do Zaeed's loyalty mission as soon as I pick him up at the very start of the game, and I've always been able to get his loyalty.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

As much as I say I'm a renegade.... I never play a "full" renegade. While I do have the renegade bar full by the end of both games (or pretty damn close) I always have a couple paragon bars as well. B/c imo, playing completely once-sided is pretty damn stupid. One extreme or the other isn't realistic or logical at all.



My renegade Shepard's are about getting the job done, no matter the cost. Like he/she did at Torfan. So when I'm trying to get information or need something, yeah my Shepard will be a hardened badass who shoves his/her boot up someone's ass. However, when it makes more sense to be nicer to someone to get what you want, that's what my Shepard will do.... it's all about getting the job done.



It's all in how you RP your character.



If you wanna be a kiss-ass character who bows down to everyone just b/c you don't want to ruffle a few feathers now and again. It's all your choice. lol

[Reikilea]

I do have problems. And I always wondered why, because I value cynism, sarcasm and absurdism above all.

For example in Dragon age morality choices were different and I cant understand why they are considered bad at all (Like not destrying the anvil, not killing Loghain, Isolde and her son and what wrong with Bhelen as king?!) because what is behind them is just logical for me. So I played good characters who made ,,bad" decisions (well mostly).

Mass effect is too straightforward. Totally starwars like. When you are renegade you are real jerk. Some decisions are just beyond bad. Why would your squadmates follow you if you are totaly jerk to them, you dont care about them, dont mind if the die. And why would renegade romance alien when in reality he is supposed to be rasictic human individual (with all that humans above all talk).



But since I used nearly every renegade interrupt with my paragon Shepard.

Being neutral is best, shame you cant benefit from that in ME universe. Paragon/renegade points never enough.

[Ulathar]

What Reed said - except the Torfan part for my Shep

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Systemlord Baal wrote...

What Reed said - except the Torfan part for my Shep

I actually changed that part on my latest Shepard, but hey... they don't need to know that!

aw crap. lmao

[SPARTANMST]

belwin wrote...

i was going to play a renegade playthrough but i just couldn't be mean to Tali, or most of the other squadmates.

much like those above me.

The best thing to do is, do a Taligade run xD be nice to Tali and no-one else

[Encarmine]

well if this game ever goes online, looks like im gonna be one of the most evil players out there.



coooool

[Vena_86]

Wrexdot wrote...

I really love playing as renegade Shepard. 80% of my playthroughs are renegade (i had only one paragon shepard, damn boring). "Good" Shepard looks like 12-years old girl unable to make hard decisions.

Save Feros colonists? Why would i save few stupid people? Kill'em all is easier.

Kill damn batarian terrorist or save few meaningless people? Of course i prefer to kill terrorist, this way i can save more people. Sacrifice the few for the good of many.

Easiest decision was on Zaeed mission. We came to kill Vido, not save few workers. Why care?

But i just love loyalty mission on a Migrant Fleet. So epic. I always give evidence, it's the only right decision to make. Who cares about Tali? She should be grateful, she avoided exile.

If you are too weak, why even start playing as Renegade?

wow...

[Ahglock]

JRCHOharry wrote...

I have trouble making renegade choices but not conversation options. Usually just the sarcastic options though. T'is just how my Shepard rolls.

For me it is more the oppsite.  I have no problem making many renegade choices, but renegade dialoguedoesn't come across as sarcastic to me, just roid-ragey. 

But some of the renegade choices are just dumb.  I have this way to safely diffuse the situation and save the innocent people with gas, or you can take more time and be in more danger and kill all the innocent people you are supposed to protect.  Uh...

[Tonymac]

Esmerella wrote...

Some of the choices are just bad. Also I can never say bad things to Tali it is just impossible for me.  I have probably played through 6 times and 5 of them are paragon.  Probably just me though.

  I truly wish that there were a more simple way of knowing if my choices were paragon or renegade.  I prefer the foot to ass mode, where you get in line with my program, or you get put into line.  But Shepard needs to be decent to the crew, from a 'humanitarian' standpoint.  How can they trust him if his attitude is always so hardcore?  He needs to be good to the crew, and harsh with the dirtbags......   but thats not how the game works out.  Perhaps they will fix it in ME3.

  When I was first learning the game, I was about 50% or each.  Sadly, this does not open up a lot of negotiation options later on.  I feel you  Esmerella.  Its easier to be paragon than it is to be a renegade 'terdburgler' meany to everyone.

[deleted]

I see renegade choices in the general storyline as completely different from the casual banter with squadmates. I don't particularly feel like a renegade during those moments, but more like an ass.

[Tonymac]

deleted wrote...

I see renegade choices in the general storyline as completely different from the casual banter with squadmates. I don't particularly feel like a renegade during those moments, but more like an ass.

I fee the same way.  I want to be decent to the crew - after all, we live and die for eachother; but I want to treat people not in my clique like the scum that they are.  Volus with an attitude?  Say hello to my little friend....

We have loyalty missions as pargon or renegade......  Well, I'm there to help them - which is pretty paragon-like if you ask me.  A true renegade seems to me to be the **** that is not so worried about helping Tali, but about getting the job done. 

I hope I make sense that there should be some refinement here.

[Cloaking_Thane]

In general yes, but there are moments in the game where you have to set someone straight because they "dont know who they are talking to"

[Tonymac]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

In general yes, but there are moments in the game where you have to set someone straight because they "dont know who they are talking to"

Does Thane need ot cloak?  ZOMG, if he could.......

[Dave of Canada]

I'm unable to actually grasp the logic of most Paragon decisions, so... yeah, I'd consider myself Renegade. I don't have trouble playing Paragon (I actually play it most of the time for more story potential) but I can play Renegade and feel better about myself. I enjoy more Renegade.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Tonymac wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

In general yes, but there are moments in the game where you have to set someone straight because they "dont know who they are talking to"

Does Thane need ot cloak?  ZOMG, if he could.......

Yea if he switched shredder ammo for Kasumi's ability....

I made this handle before the game came out tho lol!

[DragonRageGT]

I didn't know that there were words to describe what I tried to say in my previous post but those are exacly it: Paragade / Renegon



I'd consider a 100% Paragon Shepard as a total loser with no self respect and serious self esteem issues. Really, bow to "Lord" Darius? On the other hand, a 100% Renegade Shepard is a total psychopath! Please note that when I say say 100% it really means 100%. No room for a mix, not even once.



But that's not human nature. How many of us would help a person in need, like a blind man crossing a high traffic road (could think of a thousand more elaborate examples but this is so basic!) and then give the finger to some driver that cut us off in the same road? And then perhaps even stop to help that same driver if he had a small accident further ahead, or perhaps passing by him laughing our asses off! *eg*

[Commissar Gash]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

As much as I say I'm a renegade.... I never play a "full" renegade. While I do have the renegade bar full by the end of both games (or pretty damn close) I always have a couple paragon bars as well. B/c imo, playing completely once-sided is pretty damn stupid. One extreme or the other isn't realistic or logical at all.

My renegade Shepard's are about getting the job done, no matter the cost. Like he/she did at Torfan. So when I'm trying to get information or need something, yeah my Shepard will be a hardened badass who shoves his/her boot up someone's ass. However, when it makes more sense to be nicer to someone to get what you want, that's what my Shepard will do.... it's all about getting the job done.

It's all in how you RP your character.

If you wanna be a kiss-ass character who bows down to everyone just b/c you don't want to ruffle a few feathers now and again. It's all your choice. lol

^This

I never played a Paragon playthrough since I can't stand some choices since they look like some Starfleet fantasy for me, not even one "good" choice in Mass Effect bites you in the ass, no matter how stupid it is. Of course since Bioware favors Paragons over Renegades its not suprising. <_<