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[Darkhour]

Is the game going to be called "Dragon Age: Rise to power" or "Dragon Age 2".

If the later, why?  It's not really a sequel per say and Rise to Power fits into the same theme based naming convention as Origins.

[Ryngard]

Dragon Age 2.

[KJandrew]

Snaps is the name of the game

[GodWood]

Why is it not a sequel?

[Shepard Lives]

GodWood wrote...

Why is it not a sequel?

This right here.
Let me guess: it does not feature your beloved Warden, who is the center of the Dragon Age universe. Bioware promised all Dragon Age games would focus on the Warden and now they are letting us down. Damn them.

Disclaimer: I'm quite certain that the OP has a reason different than the one I illustrated above and that I am going to get totally burned as a result.

Modifié par shepard_lives, 21 novembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[ErichHartmann]

So a game without a subtitle is not a sequel PER SE?  And it's Dragon Age II not 2.

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 21 novembre 2010 - 03:02 .

[Ziggeh]

shepard_lives wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Why is it not a sequel?

This right here.
Let me guess: it does not feature your beloved Warden, who is the center of the Dragon Age universe. Bioware promised all Dragon Age games would focus on the Warden and now they are letting us down. Damn them.

Disclaimer: I'm quite certain that the OP has a reason different than the one I illustrated above and that I am going to get totally burned as a result.

SLAP IN THE FACE

[Sir JK]

Neverwinter Nights is a game about a character graduating from a adventuring academy (*cringes*) and then proceeding to adventure primarily northeast of Neverwinter.

-It's expansions uses a different character in the Icewind Dales, Aunaroch desert, waterdeep, the Underdark, Baator (Cania specifically), and then waterdeep again.

Neverwinter Nights 2 takes uses a third character several years later, takes place primarily southeast and east of Neverwinter and only features two other characters that were in the first game.



Icewind Dale and Icewind Dale 2 takes place in the same area, but features completely different protagonists and even uses different mechanics for combat. Only a handful of npc are shared between the games.



KotOR 2 does little more than mention KotOR and throws in the odd cameo.



Sounds like that as far as RPG sequels go, DA2 is in no way standing out.

[Saibh]

I wouldn't use NWN2 or KotOR2 as an example, really, because they weren't done by the same company. You could argue it was more necessity to change people and settings.



In any case, Thedas is the main character of Dragon Age, not the Warden.

[DarthCaine]

2 is the number that comes after 1

[Fiery Phoenix]

DarthCaine wrote...

2 is the number that comes after 1

:lol:

[Helena Tylena]

Saibh wrote...

I wouldn't use NWN2 or KotOR2 as an example, really, because they weren't done by the same company. You could argue it was more necessity to change people and settings.

In any case, Thedas is the main character of Dragon Age, not the Warden.

My money's still on Flemeth being the main character of Dragon Age.

[Darkhour]

Sir JK wrote...

Neverwinter Nights is a game about a character graduating from a adventuring academy (*cringes*) and then proceeding to adventure primarily northeast of Neverwinter.
-It's expansions uses a different character in the Icewind Dales, Aunaroch desert, waterdeep, the Underdark, Baator (Cania specifically), and then waterdeep again.
Neverwinter Nights 2 takes uses a third character several years later, takes place primarily southeast and east of Neverwinter and only features two other characters that were in the first game.

Icewind Dale and Icewind Dale 2 takes place in the same area, but features completely different protagonists and even uses different mechanics for combat. Only a handful of npc are shared between the games.

KotOR 2 does little more than mention KotOR and throws in the odd cameo.

Sounds like that as far as RPG sequels go, DA2 is in no way standing out.

I have no problem with it not being a sequel to Origins.  With the Blight quelled there really is no room for a full sequel. I think Awakening takes care of that. 

A sequel denotes a continuity of story.  In your examples I'd say the expansions and the second game are not sequels unless they continue the same overarching plot.  Phantasy Star series is a good example. Different characters over different time periods, but the overall plot, threat, goal, whatever is the same. That's makes them sequels.  The Blight story is over - No sequel. Hawke's story is a different issue all together that is not about stopping the Blight or darkspawn (as far as I know).  Wht you propose would be like saying the colonization of North America is the sequel to the Persian invasion of Greece simply because it takes place on the same planet.

Let's take Star Wars: A New Hope. If the next Star Wars was about the Hutt Cartel, slavery and a coalition of smugglers fighting to remove the hutt stranglehold and had nothing to do with the Force or Rebellion vs the Empire I would not consider it a sequel.  Doesn't mean I wouldn't go see it or that it is a bad thing. It simply wouldn't be a sequel to A New Hope. It would be its own standalone story.  By your logic anything with Star Wars in the title is a sequel to whatever came before.   

And my main point is that calling it Dragon Age 2 is lame.  It doesn't fit the naming convention. 

Star Wars: A New Hope, Star Wars 2 and Star Wars 3.  Is it just me or do the sequel titles sound lame with just a 2 and 3 tacked on the end. It's just my opinion anyway.

[Darkhour]

DarthCaine wrote...

2 is the number that comes after 1

There is no Dragon Age 1.

There is, however, a "Dragon Age: Origins" and a "Dragon Age: Awakening"

[DarthCaine]

Darkhour wrote...

There is no Dragon Age 1.

Maybe because it'd be pretty stupid to put a 1 in the title ? (probably the reason NOBODY does it, there's no GTA 1 or CoD 1 or MGS1 etc)

There is, however, a "Dragon Age: Origins" and a "Dragon Age: Awakening"

Wrong, it's Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening.

The fact that the first part has a subtitle means nothing. KOTOR didn't have one, but KOTOR 2: TSL did, same goes with The Witcher and TW2: Assassins of Kings, and many others.

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DA2 IS a contiunation of the story. You fail to realize that 80% of sequels have a different protagonist:
SW: KOTOR2, NwN2, The Elder Scroll series, Fable series, Vampire: The Masquerade series, Final Fantasy series, Fallout series, Metal Gear Solid series, Devil May Cry 4, Manhunt 2, GTA series, Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy,  True Crime series, Call of Duty series, Resident Evil series, Mafia 2, Godfather 2, BioShock 2, Medal of Honor series, Brothers in Arms series, Soul Reaver etc etc...

A sequel denotes a continuity of story.  In your examples I'd say the expansions and the second game are not sequels unless they continue the same overarching plot.  Phantasy Star series is a good example. Different characters over different time periods, but the overall plot, threat, goal, whatever is the same. That's makes them sequels. 

What? That's exactly what DA is doing. The game isn't called "The Blight" or "The Darkspawn" or "Mute Gay Warden's Story". BioWare said they'll continue Flemeth's and Morrigan's story. This is a story about Thedas, much like the Discworld series are about a world.

And I'm pretty sure we'll see old characters returning, for example Alistair has been promised a cameo (and there's Flemeth too). The fact that the protagonist is different changes nothing.

The Dragon Age books had NOTHING to do with The Blight or the mute Gay Warden. Are you saying they're not part of the DA series?

Modifié par DarthCaine, 21 novembre 2010 - 04:00 .

[Grand_Commander13]

Let's add in a few more examples, shall we? Fallout, Fallout 2; Deus Ex, Invisible War; Dungeon Siege, Dungeon Siege 2; Diablo, Diablo 2; the entire Elder Scrolls series.

[Sir JK]

Darkhour: Short of the Baldur's Gate series, I cannot think of a single rpg sequel that actually fit that defintion.

[Ziggeh]

Darkhour wrote...
The Blight story is over - No sequel. Hawke's story is a different issue all together that is not about stopping the Blight or darkspawn (as far as I know).

Yeeaaah, see, we don't know what the event is, why Flemeth sends Hawke to kirkwall, in much the same way she sends the Warden after the Blight. You're making assumptions about the plot.

You're also picking a narrow definition of "sequel" that only really exists within films.

[Nerivant]

Darkhour wrote...

Sir JK wrote...

Neverwinter Nights is a game about a character graduating from a adventuring academy (*cringes*) and then proceeding to adventure primarily northeast of Neverwinter.
-It's expansions uses a different character in the Icewind Dales, Aunaroch desert, waterdeep, the Underdark, Baator (Cania specifically), and then waterdeep again.
Neverwinter Nights 2 takes uses a third character several years later, takes place primarily southeast and east of Neverwinter and only features two other characters that were in the first game.

Icewind Dale and Icewind Dale 2 takes place in the same area, but features completely different protagonists and even uses different mechanics for combat. Only a handful of npc are shared between the games.

KotOR 2 does little more than mention KotOR and throws in the odd cameo.

Sounds like that as far as RPG sequels go, DA2 is in no way standing out.

I have no problem with it not being a sequel to Origins.  With the Blight quelled there really is no room for a full sequel. I think Awakening takes care of that. 

A sequel denotes a continuity of story.  In your examples I'd say the expansions and the second game are not sequels unless they continue the same overarching plot.  Phantasy Star series is a good example. Different characters over different time periods, but the overall plot, threat, goal, whatever is the same. That's makes them sequels.  The Blight story is over - No sequel. Hawke's story is a different issue all together that is not about stopping the Blight or darkspawn (as far as I know).  Wht you propose would be like saying the colonization of North America is the sequel to the Persian invasion of Greece simply because it takes place on the same planet.

Let's take Star Wars: A New Hope. If the next Star Wars was about the Hutt Cartel, slavery and a coalition of smugglers fighting to remove the hutt stranglehold and had nothing to do with the Force or Rebellion vs the Empire I would not consider it a sequel.  Doesn't mean I wouldn't go see it or that it is a bad thing. It simply wouldn't be a sequel to A New Hope. It would be its own standalone story.  By your logic anything with Star Wars in the title is a sequel to whatever came before.   

And my main point is that calling it Dragon Age 2 is lame.  It doesn't fit the naming convention. 

Star Wars: A New Hope, Star Wars 2 and Star Wars 3.  Is it just me or do the sequel titles sound lame with just a 2 and 3 tacked on the end. It's just my opinion anyway.

Ugh. Dragon Age 2 is a sequel to DAO. You have no idea what you're talking about.

It continues the story started by DAO; the story of Thedas.

[Khayness]

Sir JK wrote...

Darkhour: Short of the Baldur's Gate series, I cannot think of a single rpg sequel that actually fit that defintion.

Baldur's Gate 2:SoA Doesn't have anything to do with Baldur's Gate, therefore it's not a true sequel.

Modifié par Khayness, 21 novembre 2010 - 03:54 .

[Darkhour]

Khayness wrote...

Sir JK wrote...

Darkhour: Short of the Baldur's Gate series, I cannot think of a single rpg sequel that actually fit that defintion.

Baldur's Gate 2:SoA Doesn't have anything to do with Baldur's Gate, therefore it's not a true sequel.

Yup.

[Darkhour]

Nerivant wrote...

Ugh. Dragon Age 2 is a sequel to DAO. You have no idea what you're talking about.

It continues the story started by DAO; the story of Thedas.

Yeah, and Prince of Persia is a sequel to the movie 300 because it is the story of Earth.

[Nerivant]

Darkhour wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

Ugh. Dragon Age 2 is a sequel to DAO. You have no idea what you're talking about.

It continues the story started by DAO; the story of Thedas.

Yeah, and Prince of Persia is a sequel to the movie 300 because it is the story of Earth.

Look up the defintion of sequel, please.

I'll wait while you run out and buy a dictionary.

[DarthCaine]

Darkhour wrote...

Yeah, and Prince of Persia is a sequel to the movie 300 because it is the story of Earth.

You keep ignoring my post where I pointed out  all the faults in your theories.

Are saying Fallout 2, Fable 2, Elder Scrolls 2, MGS2, Brothers in Arms 2, NwN 2, KOTOR 2, DMC4, Soul Reaver, VTMB, Resident Evil 2, SW: JK 3: Jedi Academy, BioShock 2 etc. aren't sequels to their originals?

Modifié par DarthCaine, 21 novembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[Nerivant]

DarthCaine wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Yeah, and Prince of Persia is a sequel to the movie 300 because it is the story of Earth.

You keep ignoring my post where I pointed out  all the faults in your theories.

Are saying Fallout 2, Fable 2, Elder Scrolls 2, MGS2, Brothers in Arms 2, NwN 2, KOTOR 2, DMC4, Soul Reaver, VTMB, Resident Evil 2, SW: JK 3: Jedi Academy, BioShock 2 etc. aren't sequels to their originals?

He hasn't responded in a while.

I think he ran out to get that dictionary.