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[Davasar]

So: No related story, characters or plot.



So no matter how unrelated and divergent, it is still a sequel?





Make a story and characters that are beloved by the public, and then try to sell them a "sequel" that has nothing to do with the characters and story they like.



Try selling that to the public as a sequel, it will fly about as good as a bag of crap.

[Nerivant]

Davasar wrote...

So: No related story, characters or plot.

So no matter how unrelated and divergent, it is still a sequel?


Make a story and characters that are beloved by the public, and then try to sell them a "sequel" that has nothing to do with the characters and story they like.

Try selling that to the public as a sequel, it will fly about as good as a bag of crap.

But still a sequel. DA2 is a sequel of DAO. That's all there is to it.

[Atakuma]

Davasar wrote...

So: No related story, characters or plot.

So no matter how unrelated and divergent, it is still a sequel?


Make a story and characters that are beloved by the public, and then try to sell them a "sequel" that has nothing to do with the characters and story they like.

Try selling that to the public as a sequel, it will fly about as good as a bag of crap.

same fictional universe= sequel. That's all there is to it.
Edit: ninja'd:ph34r:

Modifié par Atakuma, 22 novembre 2010 - 05:56 .

[SirOccam]

Davasar wrote...

So: No related story, characters or plot.

So no matter how unrelated and divergent, it is still a sequel?


Make a story and characters that are beloved by the public, and then try to sell them a "sequel" that has nothing to do with the characters and story they like.

Try selling that to the public as a sequel, it will fly about as good as a bag of crap.

Uh, but it does have a related story, characters and plot. At the bare minimum we can at least say we don't know that the story, characters, and plot are definitely not related.

It's easy to see the seeds of the unrest in the Chantry being planted in Origins, for example. And the tension between mages and templars. And Flemeth's master plan being unfurled, whether in part or in full.

And we still know very little about DA2. As we learn more, I'm sure more will appear. I'd be willing to bet the ruler of Ferelden, be it Alistair, Anora, both, or maybe even the Warden, will have some role, even if not on-screen or direct. The point is that it's the same world, the same events that have shaped it, and the same political and social tides.

[Morroian]

Davasar wrote...

So: No related story, characters or plot.

Hmm Flemeth and her plots.....

Davasar wrote...
Try selling that to the public as a sequel, it will fly about as good as a bag of crap.

Yeah I mean its not like there aren't any sequels to games that have just as much to do with the original game as DA2 does or even less.....oh wait!

[KhorinShizucor]

Davasar wrote...

So: No related story, characters or plot.

So no matter how unrelated and divergent, it is still a sequel?


Make a story and characters that are beloved by the public, and then try to sell them a "sequel" that has nothing to do with the characters and story they like.

Try selling that to the public as a sequel, it will fly about as good as a bag of crap.

This doesn't completely apply to DAII, however. Flemeth is returning, the Blight is actually still occurring as Hawke is fleeing - yeah isn't it cool to know your Warden is off somewhere else collecting an army to fight the Blight? Well, I think it's cool.

Other characters are returning, Isabela being one of them. Heck, even Alistair may make an appearance. There may be others still!

Oh I've been ninja'd.

Modifié par KhorinShizucor, 22 novembre 2010 - 06:04 .

[Apollo Starflare]

What an amusing thread. It's like watching one of those films where a new teacher takes on a class of unruly students who just don't want to listen.



It is a sequel.

[Nerivant]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

What an amusing thread. It's like watching one of those films where a new teacher takes on a class of unruly students who just don't want to listen.

It is a sequel.

At least it's one where the teacher didn't throw their hands up and walk out.

They're like puppies. Sure, they **** on the rug, and it makes a big mess, but you can still train them.

[Leonia]

It's a sequel because Bioware says it is, quite frankly. Nevermind all the other logical arguments for it, at the end of the day it's their game and they can decide what it is and isn't.

[AlexXIV]

DA2 is the shortcut of Dragon Age, Too. The point is that it is Dragon Age too.

[Bryy_Miller]

Darkhour wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

Darkhour wrote...
No it isn't. The first game is about the Blight.  Sorry, but taking place on the same planet or continent does not a sequel make.

In a game where the planet or continent is made up, it does.

You lose.

Press F1 to start a new game.

I see you're out of arguments.  Thanks for playing.

You still haven't provided proof that DA2 is not a sequel to DAO. And since it follows the definition of a sequel to the letter, there isn't proof. Your argument is invalid. Good day.

That's like saying I haven't provided proof that water is wet.  It is not a sequel to Dragon Age: Origins.  It is the next installment in the Dragon Age saga, but not a sequel to Origins. How hard is that you wrap your head around?

How many ways can I say this?

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron is NOT a sequel to Star Wars: A New Hope.  They ARE both part of the Star Wars saga.

You are really, really stretching concepts here. Either that or you actually believe everyone here is that stupid.

Of course people are not saying Rogue Squadron is a sequel to A New Hope. Stop trying to demonize/victimize the conversation. 

[Nerivant]

Bryy_Miller wrote...
Of course people are not saying Rogue Squadron is a sequel to A New Hope.

Uh, it is.

[shnizzler93]

Darkhour wrote...

It is the next installment in the Dragon Age saga, but not a sequel to Origins.

[Chuvvy]

I think it should be called Dragon Age: The Human Commoner Origin.

[Leonia]

Technically Rogue Squadron could count as a sequel.. though I am unsure if it was marketted as such.

Modifié par leonia42, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[Aldandil]

The thread is a bit pointless, and it's fair to say that we're only arguing semantics here (because it's exactly what we're doing), but those arethe most interesting discussions, aren't they?



I wounder if it wouldn't be enough that the creator of the sequel calls it a sequel?

I would have a hard time calling the Bond movies sequels to each other. They're completely unrelated, yet they have the same character. They kind of ignore everything that has happened before.

The books in LotR aren't exactly sequels either, they are too closely related and initially intended to be one volume. You would hardly call an episode of a mini series the sequel of the previous one, and that's kind of the case with LotR.

Sequels don't have to have the same main character either, there must be tons of books out there where the story is told through different perspectives in each book, with main characters in one book being merely mentioned in the next. Still, the full story is being told throughout the series.

What is a prequel by the way? Does that have to involve the same characters? Would a game about Captain Anderson as a Spectre candidate be considered a prequel to Mass Effect? It would be unrelated to the plot, and have different main characters.



Here's for keeping pointless semantics debates going!

[A.N.A.N]

A game about Captain Anderson would absolutely qualify as a prequel.



As in a story that takes place in the same universe which events precede the previous work.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Davasar wrote...

Right....because Friends is the sequel to Sienfeld because they both occur in New York.

Technically, yes. They bpoth take place in the same universe and share characters. So yes, Friends could be considered a sequel to Sienfeld.

Just my 2cents in the best thread evah. (What would I ever do without internet people to lighten my day?)

[Shallina]

It's not a sequel, it's just an unrelated story in the same setting. They shouldn't have called it DA2, to much different thing and key feature that were scrapped for others.



Well I suppose it will still be a cool game, but it's not a sequel.

[Aldandil]

You would disagree with the naming of Fallout 3 tio, then?

[EmperorSahlertz]

But it IS related. It shares setting, continuity AND characters. It is everything it requires to be, to be qualified as a sequel. For it to be classified as a spin-off, i wouldn't include one (or all) of those things. For instance: Playing as a Nevarran Dragonhunter with no relations to Ferelden and no connections to the first game is ever made (ie. you only hunt dragons), it could be qualified as a spin-off. Darkspawn Chronicles is also a good example of a spin-off. Any "What if" scenario would generally categorize as a spin-off.

[AlexXIV]

Ofc it is the sequel to DA:O.

[Da_Lion_Man]

It's Dragon Age 2: Modern Warfare

[miltos33]

Dragon Age II: Medieval Warfare would be more appropriate.