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[Ziggeh]

This is absurd. You don't get to decide what the term "sequel" means, language is cultural and has clearly applied it in a large number of similar cases.

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 22 novembre 2010 - 01:32 .

[Leonia]

To be fair, they did called it Dragon Age 2 as opposed to Dragon Age: Origins 2. The story still happens during the Dragon Age so I have no qualms with the chosen name.

[Nerivant]

Shallina wrote...

It's not a sequel, it's just an unrelated story in the same setting. They shouldn't have called it DA2, to much different thing and key feature that were scrapped for others.

Well I suppose it will still be a cool game, but it's not a sequel.

Connotation does not equal denotation! Aaaaaargh!

[Wotannanow]

Darkhour wrote...
Is the game going to be called "Dragon Age: Rise to power" or "Dragon Age 2".
.

Logic says it should be Dragon Age 2: Rise to Power

[ErichHartmann]

Logic was never a part of this thread. I'm amazed it's reached 103 replies.

[Riffykins]

Nerivant wrote...

Shallina wrote...

It's not a sequel, it's just an unrelated story in the same setting. They shouldn't have called it DA2, to much different thing and key feature that were scrapped for others.

Well I suppose it will still be a cool game, but it's not a sequel.

Connotation does not equal denotation! Aaaaaargh!

I smell irony.

See, when you play with fire you get burned... and well...

Lets put this to rest, you wanted to play semantics and this is how it turns out.

"
SidequelMain articles: Spin-off (media) and Side story A story/plot that allows substantial creative freedom is one that is set in the same fictional universe as the original work, but with unrelated plots, and sometimes unrelated characters. One example of this is the Grand Theft Auto series, which contains a multitude of games, each of which follows a different character and storyline, but are set in the same fictional universe. Many of Kevin Smith's films take place in the same continuity, commonly referred to as the View Askewniverse, after his production company, although most feature characters only loosely connected to each other, like most characters common association with characters Jay and Silent Bob and having grown up in the same town, characters also frequently reference prominent events from other movies in passing. Screenwriter David Peoples described his film Soldier as a "sidequel" to Blade Runner (which he co-wrote). When done with the intention of launching a new series of stories, these are often called "spin-offs." See also: gaiden."

As you can now appropriately see, you have been incorrectly calling this game a "Sequel" when it is, in fact a "Sidequel."


Now this discussion can end.

(Game, Set, Match Riffykins... betcha didn't see this coming )

Modifié par Riffykins, 23 novembre 2010 - 05:51 .

[Nerivant]

Riffykins wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

Shallina wrote...

It's not a sequel, it's just an unrelated story in the same setting. They shouldn't have called it DA2, to much different thing and key feature that were scrapped for others.

Well I suppose it will still be a cool game, but it's not a sequel.

Connotation does not equal denotation! Aaaaaargh!

I smell irony.

See, when you play with fire you get burned... and well...

Lets put this to rest, you wanted to play semantics and this is how it turns out.

"
SidequelMain articles: Spin-off (media) and Side story A story/plot that allows substantial creative freedom is one that is set in the same fictional universe as the original work, but with unrelated plots, and sometimes unrelated characters. One example of this is the Grand Theft Auto series, which contains a multitude of games, each of which follows a different character and storyline, but are set in the same fictional universe. Many of Kevin Smith's films take place in the same continuity, commonly referred to as the View Askewniverse, after his production company, although most feature characters only loosely connected to each other, like most characters common association with characters Jay and Silent Bob and having grown up in the same town, characters also frequently reference prominent events from other movies in passing. Screenwriter David Peoples described his film Soldier as a "sidequel" to Blade Runner (which he co-wrote). When done with the intention of launching a new series of stories, these are often called "spin-offs." See also: gaiden."

As you can now appropriately see, you have been incorrectly calling this game a "Sequel" when it is, in fact a "Sidequel."


Now this discussion can end.

(Game, Set, Match Riffykins... betcha didn't see this coming )

Ho hum. A bold move, but you've over-exposed yourself. Sidequels, spin-offs, etc. are just specific types of sequels.

A spin-off is a sequel, but a sequel isn't always a spin-off.

Sequel is way more vague than people think.

Modifié par Nerivant, 23 novembre 2010 - 05:58 .

[Riffykins]

That's how logic works.



But I'm still right, and you should consider calling it a Sidequel in the case of such confusion in the future.

[Nerivant]

Riffykins wrote...

That's how logic works.

But I'm still right, and you should consider calling it a Sidequel in the case of such confusion in the future.

I'm right too, though. And judging by this thread, letting ignorance reign is the safest thing to do.

[Riffykins]

What's worse ignorance or apathy?



...

Don't know, don't care.

[Nerivant]

Riffykins wrote...

What's worse ignorance or apathy?

...
Don't know, don't care.

At this point, I'm full of the latter, and wishing I was the former. Ugh.

[outlaw1109]

Darkhour wrote...

Sir JK wrote...

Neverwinter Nights is a game about a character graduating from a adventuring academy (*cringes*) and then proceeding to adventure primarily northeast of Neverwinter.
-It's expansions uses a different character in the Icewind Dales, Aunaroch desert, waterdeep, the Underdark, Baator (Cania specifically), and then waterdeep again.
Neverwinter Nights 2 takes uses a third character several years later, takes place primarily southeast and east of Neverwinter and only features two other characters that were in the first game.

Icewind Dale and Icewind Dale 2 takes place in the same area, but features completely different protagonists and even uses different mechanics for combat. Only a handful of npc are shared between the games.

KotOR 2 does little more than mention KotOR and throws in the odd cameo.

Sounds like that as far as RPG sequels go, DA2 is in no way standing out.

I have no problem with it not being a sequel to Origins.  With the Blight quelled there really is no room for a full sequel. I think Awakening takes care of that. 

A sequel denotes a continuity of story.  In your examples I'd say the expansions and the second game are not sequels unless they continue the same overarching plot.  Phantasy Star series is a good example. Different characters over different time periods, but the overall plot, threat, goal, whatever is the same. That's makes them sequels.  The Blight story is over - No sequel. Hawke's story is a different issue all together that is not about stopping the Blight or darkspawn (as far as I know).  Wht you propose would be like saying the colonization of North America is the sequel to the Persian invasion of Greece simply because it takes place on the same planet.

Let's take Star Wars: A New Hope. If the next Star Wars was about the Hutt Cartel, slavery and a coalition of smugglers fighting to remove the hutt stranglehold and had nothing to do with the Force or Rebellion vs the Empire I would not consider it a sequel.  Doesn't mean I wouldn't go see it or that it is a bad thing. It simply wouldn't be a sequel to A New Hope. It would be its own standalone story.  By your logic anything with Star Wars in the title is a sequel to whatever came before.   

And my main point is that calling it Dragon Age 2 is lame.  It doesn't fit the naming convention. 

Star Wars: A New Hope, Star Wars 2 and Star Wars 3.  Is it just me or do the sequel titles sound lame with just a 2 and 3 tacked on the end. It's just my opinion anyway.

Since you used Star Wars as an example...they switched protagonists...antagonists...and had cameos of previous characters while creating new characters to watch...


Just thought I'd throw that out there...

[Darkhour]

Nerivant wrote...

Darkhour wrote...
So you think Ironman is a sequel to Spiderman?

http://en.wikipedia....Marvel_Universe

If Ironman's and Spiderman's stories take place in Earth-616, then technically, yes.

 at you!!! You get a gold star, Timmy!!!

[Darkhour]

Wotannanow wrote...

Darkhour wrote...
Is the game going to be called "Dragon Age: Rise to power" or "Dragon Age 2".
.

Logic says it should be Dragon Age 2: Rise to Power

That was brought up and somewhat agreed upon.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Actually the 2 represents a streamlining of the version. Instead of Dragon Age 2.0 or 2.4 whatever it is when released on gold they just called it Dragon Age 2.



Numerical indications are often used for software and Dragon Age 2 is software first.

[AlanC9]

Riffykins wrote...

That's how logic works.

But I'm still right, and you should consider calling it a Sidequel in the case of such confusion in the future.

Is there actual confusion? Are there people who really think that DA2 means that it's about the Warden again?

[Nerivant]

Darkhour wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

Darkhour wrote...
So you think Ironman is a sequel to Spiderman?

http://en.wikipedia....Marvel_Universe

If Ironman's and Spiderman's stories take place in Earth-616, then technically, yes.

 at you!!! You get a gold star, Timmy!!!

Wait, you spend just about the entire thread trying to prove me wrong, then congratulate me when I prove you wrong? 

What.

[Saibh]

Riffykins wrote...

What's worse ignorance or apathy?

...
Don't know, don't care.

Apathy is death.

Modifié par Saibh, 24 novembre 2010 - 12:57 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

But apathy feels so good

[Saibh]

On-topic, I'm beginning to hate the sequel argument as much as I hate the RPG argument. And The Witcher 2 argument.



Actually, I might hate this one more than the RPG argument, because at least that one is very vague and undefinable and I'll agree to disagree. In this case, you're not of bounds to think that a sequel to DAO should concern the Warden, but you are deluded if you think DA2 isn't a sequel.

[Mallissin]

I'm liking ignorance but I don't know what it means and I'm too apathetic to look it up in a dictionary.

[chunkyman]

I think it's okay to define things (like what constitutes a sequel) by connotations, because getting nit-picky and saying things like "well the Oxford-English Dictionary supports my claim that DA2 is, in fact, a sequel." doesn't advance the argument. I hate it when people try being overly-technical in arguments. I'm don't know if it qualifies as a sequel or not, mainly because I suck at english, but I think connotations are fine when it comes to definitions.



I would name it "Dragon Age 2: Rise to Power", because it follows the pattern.

[Leonia]

Saibh wrote...

On-topic, I'm beginning to hate the sequel argument as much as I hate the RPG argument. And The Witcher 2 argument.

Actually, I might hate this one more than the RPG argument, because at least that one is very vague and undefinable and I'll agree to disagree. In this case, you're not of bounds to think that a sequel to DAO should concern the Warden, but you are deluded if you think DA2 isn't a sequel.

Yep, if I could squeeze it into my profile as a new pet-peeve, I would (already at the character limit though).

I think this topic's prevalence is just another indicator of how slow things have gotten on the forums in the last week or so. We're dieing for something new to talk about around here.  If we can spend 10 or so pages nit-picking the definition of a sequel (of which Bioware has already said the game is so whether we agree with that or not, it's always going to be a sequel in their minds and they are the folks making the darn thing) then we really have lost sight of more interesting things to discuss.

[Stanley Woo]

Take the bickering to private, please. Thank you. Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether you call DA2 a sequel to DAO or not. Our game is not dependent on your believing or not believing the game meets your personal interpretation of the term "sequel."



End of line.