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[Gilsa]

Aleque wrote...

As for me, playing a female char. It is still something I have to consider. I find it a bit hard, putting myself into a role of a woman. No offence.

If playing as a female is still tough to pull off, but you still want a different approach to the game, I recommend playing with zero points in persuade since you get different dialogues. I played a Brosca that had no social skills and got a few surprises I wasn't expecting like for example, I was trying to persuade the elf in the dalish camp to tell me about his troubles (the one that lost his wife) and he wouldn't talk to me. However since I had Zevran in my party, he spoke up on my behalf and changed the elf's mind for me. (I found out that Leliana will also do the same thing if she's in the party.) Most of it is comical because you can't always get your way. The only downside was that I was not able to convince Ruck to let me look at his inventory so no Legion of the Dead shield. That's it.

[Giggles_Manically]

Its so funny to get told off when you have no persuade points.



I did it once and got a kick out of people telling off my little angsty Dalish girl all over the place.

[Gilsa]

Oh, I was so excited when I approached Cammen because I thought he'd decline to tell me what was bothering him, but noooooooooooooooo. He still had to tell me all about his girl troubles, but at least he declined to sleep with my character. (Attaboy.)

[Aleque]

It's a good thing you mentioned; having no skill in persuasion. I experienced once, that Leliana took over the conversation to help me persuade someone, which was really cool. I will do as you recommend.



I am still unsure though, which background to pick with my female char. I know I want her to be a Rogue, but unsure if I should make her Human Noble or one of the Elven backgrounds. I am really not sure what the outcome will be, and which impact it will have on the game. But I think I read somewhere that you can only marry Alistair as Human Noble female.



Any suggestions?

[ejoslin]

Dwarf female. And, well, yeh, I actually recommend not doing a human female your first time around to fully experience the beauty of Alistair's romance. It is beautiful, heartbreaking, potentially bittersweet and wonderful. Human noble gives a very pat ending if you go that way, but i think the other origins actually give it more oomph!

[Giggles_Manically]

Well Human nobles are the only ones who can marry the Monarch at the end:



DC: Rica protects you from being turned into a noble hunter

Dalish: Some nice subplot with Tamlen

DN: Pretty much the same but with some added Gorimness, and lines here and there.

City Elf: THE most dark moment in the origins as a female, but with some interesting changes.



While its weird playing a female PC its well worth it to experience a different view of the story.



Or as Wrex puts it:

I could get use to fighting around females... it gives the fight a different flavor.

[Zjarcal]

That's right, you can only marry Alistair as a HNF. You can stay as his mistress with any other warden if you "harden" him first.



Personally, I recommend the City Elf origin for your female run. The origin story is at its best when viewed from the female perspective and the return to the Alienage is a nice moment. Plus, a female elven rogue is pure win.

[Aleque]

Dwarf Female? Hmm, any particular reason?



I think I will stick to the elf.

[Giggles_Manically]

I liked playing as a female City Elf (first Female Warden I did).



Its strange as a guy to get males complimenting you but its fun to hear some lines you dont as a male.

A female mage gets some awesome lines with Murdock.

[Aleque]

Now I have heard the term "hardening" so many times, and someone was kind to explain it to me. I assume it's the term for strengthening a character by answering stuff like "life goes on", rather than "ooh, that is sooo horrible", right?



If I am correct, which impact will it have on the story and the romance, if I harden or not harden Alistair? Any particular (dis)advantages of (un)hardening anyone in particular?

[Zjarcal]

The hardening applies to Alistair and Leliana, who during certain conversations can change their outlook on life depending on how you handle the dialogue. With Alistair this happens after his personal quest with Goldanna. With Leliana it's after the Marjolaine confrontation.



The consequences of it? Many, especially with Alistair. A hardened Alistair can be convinced to accept any warden who isn't HNF to stay as his mistress if he becomes king. Hardened Alistair can also be convinced to marry Anora if you spare Loghain.



Hardened Leliana will also be willing to stay as mistress if you become queen or king. And her epilogue slide is different if you do the Ultimate Sacrifice.



There are some situations in the game where if Alistair or Leliana have been hardened, they'll react differently (like with Isabela at the Pearl). Technically speaking, there's no better option between hardening or not, it all depends on what you want for your playthrough.

[Aleque]

Ok so I understand that it's better to harden characters, than not to.



What I am looking for are the unique (for a female) romance dialogue options, corny moments, and generally how the world reacts to me as a female char.



I will most likely play it on easy, skipping though many cinematics, and dialogues, which I already heard before.



This will be my third playthrough. I feel a bit fed up with the game, after having finished it the second time. But I look forward to see Alistair "blush".



Perhaps it would be better if I put the game on the shelf a bit, and begin anew after having a little break from it, but on the other hand, I might lose my interrest in it, if I will not play it for some time, and as they say in some countries "forge the iron while it's hot"

[Ryzaki]

Alistair still breaks up with you if you're human though. And frankly I love the human breakup to be honest.

That said I could never really force myself to place an unhardened Alistair on the throne. Even before I knew you could harden him in the first place.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 novembre 2010 - 12:46 .

[mellifera]

Ryzaki wrote...

Alistair still breaks up with you if you're human though. And frankly I love the human breakup to be honest.

That said I could never really force myself to place an unhardened Alistair on the throne. Even before I knew you could harden him in the first place.

What's the difference?

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Alistair still breaks up with you if you're human though. And frankly I love the human breakup to be honest.

That said I could never really force myself to place an unhardened Alistair on the throne. Even before I knew you could harden him in the first place.

What's the difference?

Just my interpretation really. Noble girl Cousland used to getting what she wants and wham. All of a sudden her title can't help her with this.

That's just me though. Alot of my nobles are spoiled brats or evil bastards.

[mousestalker]

The combat will pretty much play the same, male or female.

*Spoilers*

Bits that change are flavour and impact. The dwarf noble male can progenate. The female dwarf noble can flirt with Gorim. Either way nothing is shown. The dwarf commoner male and female have very slight changes to dialogue. The human noble can have hanky panky with either sex. Howe has a comment if you are female that I didn't care much for. The female Dalish can get a heart breaking comment from Tamlin. Female mages can flirt with Cullen and provoke a great reaction. You hear about it later though. I think human noble women can flirt with Duncan, but am vague on that.

Later on in the story, Murdock shows his hindquarters to women. Female dwarves can mildly flirt with Dwynn. All women can flirt with Bann Teagan (who is awesome, btw). All men can get kisses from Bella and Kaitlyn. Women can bed Cammen (but why?). Men can sleep with Gheyna. Anyone can sleep with Isabela or use the services at the Pearl. Male nobles can marry Anora. Female nobles can marry Alistair.

Dwarves have a few moments in Orzammar, go figure, but generally people react neutrally to them. Elves get sneered at everywhere when they get noticed, which isn't that often. However, Shianni is potentially awesome to a city origin elf. Elves from the tower and from the Dalish get mildly positive reactions in the Alienage. The Dalish react very positively to another Dalish. They welcome elves. They react neutrally to dwarves and are suspicious towards humans.

I've probably left something out, but those are the major reaction points.

I like the rags to riches stories so my favourites are city elf (female) and dwarf commoner. Most people play the city elf as an unwilling bride and a bit of a brat. My canonical city elf warden was a good girl, eager to be married and become an adult. The origin has a great deal of impact if you enjoy roleplaying.

The Dwarf Commoner origin has an ascendant moment of awesome. You figuratively spit in the faces of all the castes. The City Elf origin has a crowning moment of revenge and the single best comment any origin can make to King Cailan. The human noble origin can sort of put Wynne in her place. The Dalish origin is rather short, but there is a heart breaker late in the game. Also Witch Hunt has some nice tidbits for you if you have the DLC.

Modifié par mousestalker, 23 novembre 2010 - 02:24 .

[Zjarcal]

mousestalker wrote...
The Dalish react very positively to another Dalish. They welcome elves. They react neutrally to dwarves and are suspicious towards humans.

They reacted just as suspicious and hostile to my city elf, or "flat ear".

[mousestalker]

Really? I need to replay that part again then. What may be different is that the last time I played a city elf I think I saved the halla before actually chatting to anyone else.

[Gilsa]

People love the elf + Alistair combo because it's speculated that Alistair's mother is actually an elf, too, so the idea of history repeating itself (royalty and elf falling for each other) adds to the RP value. Normally I wouldn't say that being able to marry Alistair is a big deal because he doesn't actually propose to anyone -- the human female is propositioning the Landsmeet and Alistair goes along with it, BUT Dahlia has made a terrific Cousland/Alistair wedding mod that happens at the end of the game and it's totally worth seeing. I don't know if a guy would squee over watching his female getting married, but hey, it's there. =p



If there is a dwarf romance in DA2, my human is TOTALLY down with that. Pun intended! =D

[Aleque]

I have started my female city elf char. I am impressed over the uniqueness of the storytelling from that particular branch of origin. Very nicely done. I look forward playing her. Took me around 1 hour (with breaks) to design her appearance

[Zjarcal]

mousestalker wrote...

Really? I need to replay that part again then. What may be different is that the last time I played a city elf I think I saved the halla before actually chatting to anyone else.

Well, right from the start Mithra gave me the same "welcome" she gives to non-Dalish wardens. She mentioned that even if I was an elf, I was an outsider and a flat-ear who are "no different than humans". Zathrian was also rather hostile (at least at first) and Sarel was his usual jackass self. Lanaya wasn't rude, but when my warden complained about how everyone was being rude to her despite being a fellow elf, she defended them (which pissed of my CE).

The only one who was nice was Athras. I was glad he wasn't in camp when the werewolves came in... 

[Reika]

Zjarcal - If you didn't kill Danyla, you can find her standing over Athras in the forest as he goes through the transformation.



And I have to say Sarel was an even bigger ass to my Dalish, which is saying something considering how he treated my CEF and HNF.

[Zjarcal]

Woah, you mean we get to see Athras turn into a werewolf (or at least beginning the process)? 

Ayyyyyyyyyyyy...... I can only hope he flees elsewhere if you do kill Danyla because he's the only guy who I really didn't want to kill when I attacked the Dalish (which is why I was glad he wasn't in the camp).

And yes, Sarel is such an ass it's not even funny. I thought that a Dalish would be immune to his sarcastic comments but nooooooooooo.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 23 novembre 2010 - 04:11 .

[mousestalker]

Yeah, Sarel is always a jerk. Someone mentions that his wife was killed, but he's a complete contrast to Athras, who also has problems.



Y'know, does Bioware have it in for elven marriage?



Athras- wife is a werewolf

Sarel- wife is killed by werewolves

Panowen- husband killed by werewolves

Cammen- can't get married (nor should)

Cyrion- widower

Zathrian- widower

Soris- Valora gets sold

City elf- groom gets killed/ bride jilts him

[Zjarcal]

Huh, that's an interesting observation. Although, are there any happy marriages without any tragedy attached to them in all of DA?



Oh, there's Gorim. That might be a tragedy for some though.