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[onelifecrisis]

I've seen a lot of hate for the human reaper on teh interweb and I don't see what the problem is. Yes, it's ridiculous, but so is everything else in ME. This is a space opera after all.

For me, the human reaper was a nice touch. When I first spoke to Sovereign in ME1 I thought "why does the perfect machine look like an animal?" ME2 answered that question, as well as answering the question of why the Reapers do this whole reaping cycle at all.

But for a lot of people the human reaper seems to have crossed some invisible line on their suspension of disbelief charts. Why is that? Did you hate the human reaper and, if so, why?

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 22 novembre 2010 - 12:09 .

[Babli]

Terminator. That´s why.



But I didn´t have problem with it. But plenty people mentioned Teminator as reason why it was lame.

[Xilizhra]

I did not. I was genuinely startled when the thing rose up to kill me the first time, and overall, I think it was quite impressive.



Also, the captured shot of my shooting it in the head with the Cain is unquestionably the coolest thing ever.

[onelifecrisis]

 So all the hate is just because of its esthetic design? That's it??

[wookieeassassin]

Yes, it was dumb as hell. It made no sense and will never truly make since. Why the hell would it be shaped like a human? Is it going to fly through space as a giant human and destroy its enemies? Its plain cheese and its now quite apparent plot for the entire trilogy was not thought out before they started making the games. The first game happened, and they decided to start working on the second part of the trilogy. The second game had a crappy main story that was thought up quickly.



Mass Effect 2 is fortunate that it is a game, because the gameplay and recruitment/loyalty missions were quite good. If this were a movie and had to depend on its main plot it would've been a piece of garbage.

[HopHazzard]

Pretty much all the hate comes from the fact that it looks ridiculous. The idea that the reapers use the people they reap as part of their construction process is actually a really cool one (IMO). The hate mostly comes from the execution, not the concept.

[Da_Lion_Man]

The design and his cries.

[onelifecrisis]

wookieeassassin wrote...

Yes, it was dumb as hell. It made no sense and will never truly make since. Why the hell would it be shaped like a human? Is it going to fly through space as a giant human and destroy its enemies?

Yes. Why is a giant human flying through space more ridiculous than a giant squid flying through space?

wookieeassassin wrote...

Its plain cheese and its now quite apparent plot for the entire trilogy was not thought out before they started making the games. The first game happened, and they decided to start working on the second part of the trilogy. The second game had a crappy main story that was thought up quickly.

Mass Effect 2 is fortunate that it is a game, because the gameplay and recruitment/loyalty missions were quite good. If this were a movie and had to depend on its main plot it would've been a piece of garbage.

I agree that ME was not planned as a trilogy, but not because of the human reaper. The human reaper actually advances the main plot. Everything else (the "good" stuff, like recruitment and loyalty missions) is just a reboot and only serves to get Shepard back in the same place as he was at the end of ME1 (on the Normandy with a team of badass heroes waiting for the reapers). The human reaper is one of the few things that can be used as evidence against the case you are making.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 22 novembre 2010 - 12:23 .

[massive_effect]

At first, the human reaper looked like an uninspired attempt at shock value. But, it fits with the plot. The original reaper in ME1 looked inspired and convincing.



There's no mystery behind a giant human skeleton.

[Captain Crash]

Well for most it is the obvious...Giant Terminator.



Im not lieing I felt betrayed. Mass Effect was a unique story and game. It was sci-fi and was new, which is very hard to do in todays era. Bioware created a great IP and built up a great universe out of nothing. Then all of a sudden the end bad guy is something ripped out of one of the most famous movies of all time! All of a sudden that uniqueness is almost destroyed as it seems they lost their creativity!



Yes perhaps it was in the plot all along that Reapers need other species to "reproduce". But this could have been displayed in a number of ways. Honestly a Giant Terminator!! Arghh! Whoever thought that was a good idea is a plank!

[AdmiralCheez]

I didn't like it because I didn't find the fight with it particularly innovative or challenging. The damn thing looked pretty scary, though, especially with its spine danging around and the way it swung from platform to platform. The fact that it looked like a Terminator? ... Meh.



I'd say it was about on par with Saren. Of course, when his robot skeleton suddenly burned right though his flesh, it scared the crap out of me. In hindsight, it was lame, and the fight was way too easy if you had a biotic with you, but the creep-out factor was high.



I hope ME3's "final boss," if it has one, is really, really unnerving. Like, it gives me nightmares. I love it when bosses scare my pants off.

[Iakus]

Reapers needing an organic component: I can get behind that



Reaper looking like the creature the smoothie is made from: WTF?



In addition it makes no sense why the Collectors would be building a new Reaper when there was no way they could possibly finish it on their own. It's just sort of there to show off how bad**** Shepard is by having him shoot it out with a Reaper. It's silly and contrived.

[Aurica]

No hate from me here.  But it is hard to take the reapers seriously after what you experienced in ME2.  Harbingers silly lines & Human Reaper....

Imagine a human reaper flying through space in one of the below postures...

Modifié par Aurica, 22 novembre 2010 - 01:14 .

[wookieeassassin]

Actually, the Collectors were building a giant version of Metallo because Superman already kicked the first Metallo's ass. That is really what the Reaper was.

[hooahguy]

It could have been because the original Reapers were based off the most powerful non-Reaper beings in the universe, which may have been a cuttlefish-shaped creature for all we know, and then now that they need to replace one of their own after Sovereign was destroyed, they decided to make it in the shape of the new most powerful non-Reaper beings in the universe: humans.



Just an idea.

[thegreateski]

Because I aborted a giant terminator fetus that's why.

[wookieeassassin]

The human reaper just doesn't make sense no matter how you explain it. It is always going to be a "video game moment"

[V-rex]

Like others have said, it looks like a Terminator and it just seems strange and out of place, plus I wasn't really sure what the point of it was... like, why were the Collectors making it?



Also I found it kind of de-fanged the threat of the Reapers considering that this giant monolith of death and destruction that could instantly destroy me with one flick of its fingers, decides instead to float above me and shoot lasers.

I mean in Mass Effect 1, me Ashley and Wrex were engaged in an epic scale final climactic battle with the Reaperized Saren and all he did was jump around like a frog.

But now in Mass Effect 2, Garrus and Tali and I are so bored that we can just shoot it down casually.



Frankly if I were Harbinger and I saw my great creation be destroyed by three tiny people firing lasers at it, I would go find a galactic bar somewhere and drink myself to death.





So yes, it was pretty epic the way it was revealed but I also think overall it was kind of silly. They could have found a better thing that the Collectors were trying to do.

[Dave of Canada]

I saw a picture of a Reaper in the concept art and was like "WOW COOL", I was then spoiled the entire plot by reading that line about the human Reaper. I was angry and frustrated and much preferred the concept art of the Reaper actually looking like a Reaper but with flesh instead.

Edit:

Here on the left.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 22 novembre 2010 - 01:45 .

[Chuvvy]

Babli wrote...

Terminator. That´s why.

But I didn´t have problem with it. But plenty people mentioned Teminator as reason why it was lame.

Not only that. It's an exact copy of a boss in contra. They look exactly the same. They even have the same red beam attack. It's just a contra boss on the unreal engine.

Modifié par Slidell505, 22 novembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[Ryzaki]

Terminator baby is retarded.



...I mean why the hell does the thing have three eyes anyways?

[Ragnarok521]

Ryzaki wrote...

Terminator baby is retarded.

...I mean why the hell does the thing have three eyes anyways?

Obligatory:

http://badspot.us/im...2-Boss-Rush.jpg

Modifié par Ragnarok521, 22 novembre 2010 - 03:44 .

[ADLegend21]

If you actually think about it, the Human reaper is a good thing. Remember the sovereign speech on Virmire how he kept saying the reapers were endless and the perfect machines while Humans and all other organic life were at their mercy and blah blah blah. Said human on he recieving end of the speech finds a way to kill said perfect machine and stops the invasion. Now the rest of the reapers are like "Holy crap sovereign got killed by an organic, that could happen to us. We've got to stay ahead. hmmm if an organic killed a perfect machine, what would happen if you add an organic component toa machine to give it emotions and stubbornness in the face of impossible odds? Hey Harbinger, get those converted protheans to kidnap some humans, we're replacing sovereign" or something along the lines. It's a sign of respect, and fear, from the reapers. They think they can't do it just on machines anymore so to add a reaper killing component shows that they're scared of at least shepard and decided to add the species of the (most recent?) reaper killer to their ranks. While yes it looked like some other villian or terminator, looks don't make bosses or else I'd have never taken sovereign seriously "ha you're a friggen squid why should I fear you?!" but hell a human reaper could just walk around a planet and burn everything to the ground. the human reaper gave us insight to the Reaper fleet creation and let us know that they're a little worried that their genocide was halted and that they can be stopped. I'd rather know how to kill a reaper before the last game then ahving to set out time in the third game to learn how to kill one and how they all got made because then half the game would need to be a flash back. (unrelated note, imagine a Yagh reaper...)

[Ryzaki]

Ragnarok521 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Terminator baby is retarded.

...I mean why the hell does the thing have three eyes anyways?

Obligatory:

http://badspot.us/im...2-Boss-Rush.jpg

The sad thing is that actually would make a lot of sense.

[onelifecrisis]

I get the feeling some of you don't realize that the shape of the reapers (the ones that look like Sovereign) are based on a now-extinct life form (or rather, a now-"ascended" life form) that the reapers gunkified out in a previous cycle.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 22 novembre 2010 - 04:00 .