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[The Good Shephard]

As a boss battle it was underwhelming. The whole encounter just screams for a Shadow of the Colossus or God of War-esque Man vs. Moving Mountain fight and ends up being "Attack the weakpoints for massive damage."

Looking back on it as a concept though... terrifying. Why? This:



Liquifying humans into Tang? Check. Attempt to "elevate" all humanity to a higher state through horrific amalgamation? Check. Said amalgamation becomes an apocalyptic harbinger of death in the twisted image of a human being? Check.

Hell, Cerberus and the Illusive Man could change their appearances it wouldn't be that far off.



    
Best intentions for humanity my ass!

[CaineMaster]

The battle with it could have been more complex then shooting him in the eye. I also hoped that you were going to talk to it, but nope.

[CroGamer002]

Metal Human Skeleton ≠ Terminator

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I always wondered why Bioware didn't use the derelict Reaper mission to foreshadow the whole "Reapers use organics" instead of just making a left 4 dead mission in space. That way, it wouldn't be such a huge LOLWUT moment for people.

[Zombie Chow]

This is a good question and I found others' answers interesting. It came down to 2 things for me:



1. Everything up to that point was so much better



Think back to the build up to the endboss. Joker/EDI saving the ship, the Omega 4 Relay jump with the music, seeing how your ship's upgrades paid off, the strategic decisions of which squad member for what role, then Shepard's final speech...it was the best endgame setup I've seen. By comparison, that was so much better than...



2. A really bad 1st impression



"Not just any Reaper! A Human Reaper!" It's like the RPG cliche of the Half Human Hybrid trope (http://tvtropes.org/...alfHumanHybrid.) This was why the Collectors harvested humans and turned them into a human juice? Like Lizardviking said, it was such a huge LOL WUT moment and I think that spoiled the mood for everything that came after.



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On the other hand, there were a number of things I didn't mind:



- the endboss fight itself was fun for me

- I didn't immediately think Giant Terminator or Contra

- I actually thought the design looked pretty decent



In conclusion, it was more disappointment than hate in my case. Maybe my expectations were too high.

[luakel]

I didn't mind fighting it at all (seriously, so what if it looks like a Terminator? I had the Cain there, that meant I got to nuke a Terminator), but it bugged me that EDI seemed to know so much about it. IIRC, she seems pretty sure of the idea that this is how Reapers reproduce. How does she know? Every other reaper we've seen looks like a big squid, who's to say the rationale for this one was reproducing? Maybe it's just a one-time thing, and they're building it just because humans were the first species in awhile to take a Reaper down (that, or maybe every species before looked like the Reapers did <_<). Not creating it to reproduce, but for some other reason unique to what the humans have done.

[macrocarl]

I immediately drew the connection between rebuilding Shep at the begining with the Frankensteined Reeper at the end. I mean, I thought this after I stopped laughing.

I thought it fit pretty well in the whole concept of being careful to not become the thing your fighting. But giant human Reaper space wang dangling in the cosmic wind while he surfs on a Collector Turd ship? Too much!

[Lord Nicholai]

wookieeassassin wrote...

Also, why don't the Reapers have ground forces (ones that we know about; no the Collectors aren't ground forces because they aren't machines)? Can they not put their intelligence in anything less than a dreadnought? It seems like it would be a good way to diversify. The Geth do it...

The reapers don't need to have ground forces other than indoctrinated slaves. All they have to do is land over an area, control everyones mind and they have an effective groundforce.

As for the human reaper, I don't mind it too much. OK, the design could have been a little better, but its not that bad.

[Zombie Chow]

macrocarl wrote...

I immediately drew the connection between rebuilding Shep at the begining with the Frankensteined Reeper at the end.

I felt the same way, like it was supposed to come full circle, with the Reaper's base under surprise attack (just like the Project Lazarus base was at the start), forcing it to fight even though it's not fully completed (just as Shepard did despite not being fully healed.)  Then it seems like the Illusive Man was confirming this notion when he suggested taking the base for Cerberus.

This dark reflection idea is cool, but that LOL WUT moment shattered it.  I think it was when I realised humans were being turned into baby food to feed the Reaper.

[dgcatanisiri]

CaineMaster wrote...

The battle with it could have been more complex then shooting him in the eye. I also hoped that you were going to talk to it, but nope.

What, exactly, are you supposed to say to a fetal Reaper running on liquified humans and unless it's stopped here, destined to wipe out humanity? 'Hi there'? 'Say hello to my little friend'? 'I'm Commander Shepard. You kidnapped my crew. Prepare to die'?

[Rekkampum]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

CaineMaster wrote...

The battle with it could have been more complex then shooting him in the eye. I also hoped that you were going to talk to it, but nope.

What, exactly, are you supposed to say to a fetal Reaper running on liquified humans and unless it's stopped here, destined to wipe out humanity? 'Hi there'? 'Say hello to my little friend'? 'I'm Commander Shepard. You kidnapped my crew. Prepare to die'?

Something along those lines lol.

To the OP, the vast amount of hatred is most likely centered on Bioware's design aesthetic. The first thing I thought when I saw the Human Reaper was "James Cameron must be unaccredited art consultant", because the particular style of the art in Mass Effect has always been unique. When you compare the original profile of the Protheans with their Collector counterparts, you see that they've obviously been twisted and changed in a way that's irreparable. When you compare basic human figures with the Human Reaper, all you see is a vaguely bestial metallic figure that seems closer to a hominid. It lacks the same degree of eccentricity and modification that marks Reaper technology, in my opinion.

I didn't "hate" it when I saw it. I did make a mental note of it though.

[Alienmorph]

I don't hate him, but indeed is just Galactus-sidez Terminator. I expected a more original design for him, also considering that having the Collector's Edition of ME2 I saw the eliminated designs for him, and liked them much more.

[Talogrungi]

Aeowyn wrote...

But then at the end scene when you see all the Reapers approaching the Milky Way galaxy they all look that same (Sovereign model).

Most people assume this from the quick glance we get of the Reaper fleet, but if you have a look at a static picture such as this one, there's actually a considerable difference between the Reapers, despite a certain uniformity such as spiny leg/feelers that presumably act as weaponry in the same way that we saw with Sovereign.

Though I disliked the human-Reaper and thought it was a bit of a cheesy super-villain, I could imagine it being the core around which a uniform-shaped Reaper ship was constructed. When you take into account the size of Sovereign (as seen on Eden Prime and atop the Citadel tower), the human-Reaper was tiny in comparison.

Modifié par Talogrungi, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:53 .

[Alienmorph]

It was still and embryon... most likely we fough his core, but in time he will had likey became bigger and had a shape more similar to the others of his species.

[StarcloudSWG]

EDI can explain about the embrionic Reaper when Shepard gets to the central chamber, because she's been hacking into the Collector Base's computer systems at the same time Shepard has been fighting his or her way into the base. That's the only explanation that makes sense to me; she comes across the project files right about the same time that Shepard finds the main chamber.

[shumworld]

Granted Terminator is the most recognized Robotic Skeleton design out there. But we've seen several robotic skeletons through Science Fiction; closer to reality to some extent. So to hate one Robotic Skeleton design because it looks like the most recognizable one is a pretty confusing reason to dislike it.



I won't deny the fact that it's not original, but then again nothing is original nowadays. But for what it's worth I think the Human Reaper cool.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I still think they should have used the other concept for the reaper larvae...well done is done.

[Mecha Tengu]

because the bossfight sucked.



cover, shoot eyes, cover, shoot eyes, duck behind unbreakable cover, shoot eyes



ME1 saren had me moving and shooting like resient evil and house of the dead

[Rekkampum]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

because the bossfight sucked.

cover, shoot eyes, cover, shoot eyes, duck behind unbreakable cover, shoot eyes

ME1 saren had me moving and shooting like resient evil and house of the dead

Yeah. Zombie Saren was way cooler looking, and more challenging.

[Deviija]

The other human reaper concept art would have been better, IMO. More biologic and less 21st century mechanics.

[-Skorpious-]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

CaineMaster wrote...

The battle with it could have been more complex then shooting him in the eye. I also hoped that you were going to talk to it, but nope.

What, exactly, are you supposed to say to a fetal Reaper running on liquified humans and unless it's stopped here, destined to wipe out humanity? 'Hi there'? 'Say hello to my little friend'? 'I'm Commander Shepard. You kidnapped my crew. Prepare to die'?

Shepard/EDI could have attempted to activate a console, thus prompting the Collector General (aka Harbinger) to confront Shepard. It's not the same, but close enough, right?

[MrFob]

I didn't actually have that much of a problem with the boss itself, rather with the dialogue brfore:

EDI: "It's a REAPER!!!"
Shep: "Not just any reaper, it's a HUMAN REAPER!!!!!!!!"

I mean come on. Most of the dialogue in both game is just brilliant and than this. I was waiting for the reaper to open its mouth and say: "All your base are belong to us! You are DOOMED! Muhahaha!!!"
I hope that in ME3, we'll get something like Sovereigns dialogue rather then this kind of lame adversary. Look at Overlord for example, that was oh so much better it's no comparison.

Modifié par MrFob, 23 novembre 2010 - 12:14 .

[skcih-deraj]

Because I'd play one of the many Xmen games if I wanted to fight a sentinal.... I joke the end boss was ok... I just couldn't stop calling it Nimrod or master mold the entire fight.

[MassEffect762]

They should have made it as small as an ordinary human, would've made more sense to me.(in the form of a female, ha)

I was expecting more creativity from both the Reapers and Bioware.(i.e. it talking to you in part as many human/reaper minds/ seduction/mind-games)

Modifié par MassEffect762, 23 novembre 2010 - 02:40 .