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[DarkWarSoldier]

Just finished playing Dragon Age for the second time to get my character that im planning to import into Dragon Age II ready and for the fun of it. I like all the outcomes that I made except for Orzammar. I picked Harrowmont as king and saved the Anvil. So I was wondering what is the outcome for siding with Bhelen with and without the Anvil?

Modifié par DarkWarSoldier, 22 novembre 2010 - 01:08 .

[Zjarcal]

You can read it here. Go to the Orzammar section.

[mousestalker]

The wiki knows all and reveals all.

Edit: Ninja'ed! 

Modifié par mousestalker, 22 novembre 2010 - 01:23 .

[ejoslin]

Ahashahaha, the only way you can get a worse ending for Orzammar than that is if you make those decisions AND have a dwarf and request the dwarf boon.



Bhelen is a terrible person, but a much better king.

[Sarah1281]

I picked Harrowmont as king and saved the Anvil.

That is, without a doubt, the worst possible outcome.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah, we need the Dwarven messiah pic. I see potential converts

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah, we need the Dwarven messiah pic. I see potential converts

This one?

Or this one? 

[Zjarcal]

I just placed Bhelen on the throne not five minutes ago.



I may hate his guts, but he's indeed what's best for Orzammar.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 22 novembre 2010 - 01:35 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Sarah
Yes, those are the ones! Actually, we should totally have something drawn with Bhelen looking like a Messiah.

@ Zjarcal
Awesome pic!
Sigh. I really like Bhelen.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 novembre 2010 - 01:35 .

[Zjarcal]

Is there a Harrowmont version of the Diamond Quarterly?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

Is there a Harrowmont version of the Diamond Quarterly?

It's Aeducan approved news.
Harrowmont's name is erased from memory and he is a non-person.

Actually that's partially true, Bhelen says  "His name need not pass your lips again".
I think he wants to erase him from existence completely.

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Is there a Harrowmont version of the Diamond Quarterly?

No, just

and

Reporting about Harrowmont taking the throne would hardly be Aeducan-approved news, now would it? He'll have to start his own paper.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Is there a Harrowmont version of the Diamond Quarterly?

It's Aeducan approved news.
Harrowmont's name is erased from memory and he is a non-person.

Actually that's partially true, Bhelen says  "His name need not pass your lips again".
I think he wants to erase him from existence completely.

Bhelen's not happy if you use the name 'Harrowmont' at all which is a House name. Is he planning on renaming House Harrowmong? Liquidating them? Ignoring them entirely? 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
Bhelen's not happy if you use the name 'Harrowmont' at all which is a House name. Is he planning on renaming House Harrowmong? Liquidating them? Ignoring them entirely? 

Doesn't he send Harrowmont's kids to the surface to fight?

I don't think he would liquidate the entire house. But they'll probably be ignored and forgotten.
House Harrowmont didn't really amount to anything in their history anyways, except with Harrowmont as Endrin's advisor.

[Quill74Pen]

My fourth playthrough on DAO is my first as a dwarf. I sure as heck hope Bhelen makes a helluva case to be king when she returns to Orzammar as a Grey Warden because, without metagaming, Terra's inclined to kill her younger brother. The freak framed her, after all! Terra once was a trustful person, but Bhelen changed all of that. Now, you lie to her and she'll go postal on you.

Quill74Pen

[Zjarcal]

I had missed that it was "Aeudcan approved news"... 

And do you have to be a dwarf to get that dialog about Bhelen not wanting to mention Harrowmont's name?

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
Bhelen's not happy if you use the name 'Harrowmont' at all which is a House name. Is he planning on renaming House Harrowmong? Liquidating them? Ignoring them entirely? 

Doesn't he send Harrowmont's kids to the surface to fight?

I don't think he would liquidate the entire house. But they'll probably be ignored and forgotten.
House Harrowmont didn't really amount to anything in their history anyways, except with Harrowmont as Endrin's advisor.

I'm not sure they ever mention if he has kids. Since Bhelen sends the sons of all Harrowmont supporters to the surface to fight if Harrowmont has any I'm sure he'd do no less.

@Quill74Pen: Let's just say that Bhelen trusts his sister about as much as she trusts him.

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

I had missed that it was "Aeudcan approved news"... 

And do you have to be a dwarf to get that dialog about Bhelen not wanting to mention Harrowmont's name?

It's just so long-established that all of the news is Aeducan-approved that people take it for granted.

And you have to tell Bhelen that he will make a better king than Harrowmont once you're transported back to the palace post-crowning. Any Warden can do it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I'm not sure they ever mention if he has kids. Since Bhelen sends the sons of all Harrowmont supporters to the surface to fight if Harrowmont has any I'm sure he'd do no less.
 

Oh, the sons of all Harrowmont supporters too?
Ha, no wonder why no civil war breaks out like with Harrowmont. Genius. (Maybe the survivors get pardonned)

We should have had much more dwarves in the battle if we picked Bhelen as king. Harrowmont supporters and casteless.

[bleetman]

Zjarcal wrote...

I just placed Bhelen on the throne not five minutes ago.

Dare I ask how he came about that spiffy armour? I want one

[Giggles_Manically]

Bhelen keeping the anvil is actually very good:



The ending slide says that he keeps making more golems so that he can CONTINUE to take ground. That means the dwarves are going on the offensive, and reclaiming territory which is a good thing.



Also in the run I did that my DN sent military aid, and helped Dagna so Orzamar now has:

Golems

Apostates

Fereldan Soldiers

Casteless Warriors



All going against the darkspawn, plus Orzamar has Bhelen leading so yeah thats pretty much the dwarven golden age right there.

That was also my DN who left for Orlais with Leliana, Zevran and Dog.

[Zjarcal]

bleetman wrote...
Dare I ask how he came about that spiffy armour? I want one

Improved Atmosphere mod

The armor set is called "Paragon Armor" (Branka also has it). You get a set for yourself once you finish the Paragon of her Kind quest.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 22 novembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[errant_knight]

Hanz54321 wrote...

DarkWarSoldier wrote...

I picked Harrowmont as king and saved the Anvil.

I literally burst into laughter.  Boy did you screw up Orzammar.

Bhelen with no Anvil = A saavy King who opens up trade with the surface, loosens up the caste system so people who are of a lower caste actually have a shot at a real life, and the Assembly is dissolved because they're all selfish and uncaring for anyone not related to them.

Even though I personally know that Bhelen works out better, my PCs never pick him. There are hints that he would be more progressive, but his supporter's thuggish behavior that's the first thing we witness on entering Orzammar, his underhanded tactics, and the widespread rumors about him being a murderer rule him out entirely for them. I never save the anvil, though. Branka killed her house, trapped us with darkspawn and is completely nuts. We also know exactly how golems are made by that point.