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[nightcobra]

David Gaider wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...
I'd rather not have that if the character is dead in my save file to be honest. It would frustrate me and ruin the credibility of my story.

If we were to bring back a character that might be dead, chances are we'd provide an explanation. It'd be a hand-wave, sure, but I doubt we'd ignore the possibility outright. I think there's a limit to how much we'd want to do that, of course-- dead should mean dead, whenever possible.

something like:

i'm pretty sure you were thrown off a cliff...

party member in question: i landed on a soft bed of leaves/ i fell on water/ i got better.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 22 novembre 2010 - 04:21 .

[ejoslin]

You know, I have a save where Oghren is dead in Origins. He came back quite alive in Awakening. And made a mockery of the joining as well *grin* Wynne came back from the dead too. My character wasn't very nice, for sure.



But now I have a teeny tiny hope that Zevran may come back. but hope is a bad BAD thing to have! Epilogues were already disregarded to some extent in Awakening, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd be disregarded in DA2.

[Maria Caliban]

I would be quite happy if no DA:O or Awakening characters appeared in DA 2. Or really, if after Hawke enters Kirkwall, the game ignores DA:O altogether.

[nightcobra]

ejoslin wrote...

You know, I have a save where Oghren is dead in Origins. He came back quite alive in Awakening. And made a mockery of the joining as well *grin* Wynne came back from the dead too. My character wasn't very nice, for sure.

But now I have a teeny tiny hope that Zevran may come back. but hope is a bad BAD thing to have! Epilogues were already disregarded to some extent in Awakening, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd be disregarded in DA2.

explanations:P:

oghren didn't die, he passed out of blood/alcohol loss

wynne is an undead controlled by the spirit who has taken the "mantle" of wynne for itself               

[ejoslin]

My preference, really, would to hear some gossip based on the choices I had made in Origins/Awakening. Something like this:

Gossip 1: did you hear about the queen of Ferelden?
Gossip 2: what about her?
Gossip 1: I heard she ran off to be with the leader of the crows!
Gossip 2: And you believed that? How stupid are you?

Edit; i know that won't happen.  But this would be preferable to cameos that didn't take the actual relationship into consideration.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 novembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[David Gaider]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
something like:

i'm pretty sure you were thrown off a cliff...

party member in question: i landed on a soft bed of leaves/ i fell on water/ i got better.

Possibly, though I imagine we'd do better if we could.

I think our willingness to bring a possibly-dead character back relates to how often they ended up dead in peoples' games. If they're dead in only a small minority of games, there's a better chance than if it was a very common thing... or if we couldn't come up with a non-lame explanation. Hand-waves only go so far, and like I said it's not something we'd want to over-indulge in, anyhow, considering this isn't a setting where death is trivial.

[ErichHartmann]

I definitely want to know if Shale successfully "transformed" back to a dwarf.

[upsettingshorts]

But the internet hates all plot devices, except for the ones they don't notice! It will be an outrage!

[Addai]

Let's have Wynne coming back from the dead so we can her into the templars as an abomination.  Pretty please? 

[TurboTwistedFire]

I'd actually like to see that little boy Beven from Redcliffe all grown up. Obviously he wouldn't show up during the first year or so of the game but later on? *Shrugs* He sounded like he could have been 12 or 13, five years would put him at 18. He could even bring up the Warden if, in Origins, you chose to return the sword.



Just a musing is all.

[Apollo Starflare]

I think we had it confirmed that Nathaniel Howe will pop up at some point ages ago, which makes sense seeing as he was in Kirkwall before he went to Vigil's Keep. I find most of the companions that I want to return, and that seem have the most reason to in some respects, are the Awakening team (with the exception of Oghren). I thought they were brilliant yet because of the nature of that game they still have room for more development.

[Dasher1010]

I think that the only handwaves are Morrigan (since Witch Hunt implied that she'll be a major player in the sequel) and Sigrun (DG specifically mentioned epilogues).



I also have a feeling that Velanna (due to her not being able to die) will reappear and Sten (assuming he breaks out of the cage if you leave him) will be part of an expansion.

[Chokladglass]

Russalka wrote...

In before "Why would he be in the Free Marches?".
Oops.

Stranger things have happened. In BG2, all BG characters had a sudden urge to go to Amn.

[ejoslin]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

You know, I have a save where Oghren is dead in Origins. He came back quite alive in Awakening. And made a mockery of the joining as well *grin* Wynne came back from the dead too. My character wasn't very nice, for sure.

But now I have a teeny tiny hope that Zevran may come back. but hope is a bad BAD thing to have! Epilogues were already disregarded to some extent in Awakening, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd be disregarded in DA2.

explanations:P:

oghren didn't die, he passed out of blood/alcohol loss

wynne is an undead controlled by the spirit who has taken the "mantle" of wynne for itself               

Neither was addressed at all to even HAVE a handwave.  Oghren didn't seem to mind much, but Wynne certainly was annoyed with my warden.

I didn't worry too much about it, however.  I played the game as was intended, realized it was a fictional world, and was far more bothered by the epilogue slide I got, honestly.

[bsbcaer]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Alistair is confirmed to have a cameo, depending on your choices.

Flemeth will have a cameo.

In one of the PAX chats, David Gaider said Sten won't be back, at all

As for previous party members being party members again, I doubt it since all of them can die in DAO. If there are, they'll probably just be temporary. (I think David Gaider said, some will be cameos, some will be more)

Maybe I'm the only one thinking this but I think that's a bit cheap... you spent all of your time with the characters in DA:O and they will only return as a cameo in the sequel, if you're lucky.

I do understand it is a very hard thing to do though and you can't please everyone.
Guess Mass Effect 3 will do the same thing... bye bye Garrus for Mass Effect 3 *sigh*.

Different story, different part of the world and both games overlap part of the same timeline.  Besides, don't you want to meet different characters and different people in the world?  Would get kind of boring to be around the same characters all the time when you're telling a completely different story...would also become increasingly harder to explain why Wynne for eg would travel with different VIPs (ie. your PC in diferent games) and then not see Wynne as the most important character in the world rather than your character

[ok go]

what about that epilogue slide where Anders joined Isabela's crew? that could play in.

Also, Zevran prolly has the chance of a cameo, more likely being mentioned by Isabela given their past.

Modifié par ok go, 22 novembre 2010 - 06:07 .

[Utoryo]

Made the list below for fun, took a bit more time than I expected heh. If anyone at Bioware feels like using it, I wouldn't complain

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As far as I can tell, the only characters who could make a comeback but definitively couldn't be there in absolutely all cases for any game chronologically after Origins/Awakenings are: Alistair, Loghain, Zevran, Avernus, Irving, Genitivi, Marjolaine, Connor/Isolde, Nathaniel, The Grand Oak, Ignacio, Leske, Valendrian.

Characters that would require a lot of handwaving but not impossible: Sigrun (yay), Wynne (*cough* DA:A *sigh*), Oghren (*cough cough* DA:A - must be an insanely rare choice though so I really can't blame them), any elf from the Brecilian Dalish Camp (if committed genocide), Bhelen (if Harrowmont is made King), most residents of Amaranthine (if left to burn), Jowan (only one way to kill him in the base game, and you don't even open the cell to check, just leave him for dead)

Characters that could easily come back unconditionally despite the odds: Sten, Leliana, Velanna/Seranni, Justice (in another form), Anders (only way for him to die is if left in an unupgraded keep as he survives even if left to the Templars), Dagna (could get to the tower slightly later without you)

Modifié par Utoryo, 22 novembre 2010 - 06:32 .

[Blastback]

Did it actaully say that Alistair was executed, or just taken to be executed. Escapes and the like are always possible. Loghain, on the other hand...

[ejoslin]

Blastback wrote...

Did it actaully say that Alistair was executed, or just taken to be executed. Escapes and the like are always possible. Loghain, on the other hand...

The games I play in which Alistair dies, he most definitely is dead.  As in, the dark ritual isn't done, and either he refuses to let my character die, or my character feeds him to the arch demon.

[crimzontearz]

David Gaider wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
something like:

i'm pretty sure you were thrown off a cliff...

party member in question: i landed on a soft bed of leaves/ i fell on water/ i got better.

Possibly, though I imagine we'd do better if we could.

I think our willingness to bring a possibly-dead character back relates to how often they ended up dead in peoples' games. If they're dead in only a small minority of games, there's a better chance than if it was a very common thing... or if we couldn't come up with a non-lame explanation. Hand-waves only go so far, and like I said it's not something we'd want to over-indulge in, anyhow, considering this isn't a setting where death is trivial.

Oh...you mean like Velanna? LOL

[ErichHartmann]

BioWare should bring back Velanna for a 30 second cameo that kills her just to spite you.

[RareFreak]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
something like:

i'm pretty sure you were thrown off a cliff...

party member in question: i landed on a soft bed of leaves/ i fell on water/ i got better.

Lol, good one.

Modifié par RareFreak, 22 novembre 2010 - 06:35 .

[gethslayer7]

bear in mind you could meet any origins charecter at the begging of your story because it starts when lothering gets attacked

E.G-you could see wyne before your warden does

[Blastback]

[quote]RareFreak wrote...

[quote]nightcobra8928 wrote...

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something like:

i'm pretty sure you were thrown off a cliff...

party member in question: i landed on a soft bed of leaves/ i fell on water/ i got better.

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Lol, good one.

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Or in Baldur's Gate 2, asking charaters from the first game "Aren't you dead" and them just waving it away.