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[Face of Evil]

I think it would just be easier to eliminate cameos by Origins characters, with the exception of those characters who can't possibly be dead, like Bann Teagan. (Or those who can return from the dead, like Flemeth.)

I'd rather imagine Leliana snuggling up to the Warden forever in Denerim than see her shoehorned into DA2.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 22 novembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[errant_knight]

ejoslin wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Did it actaully say that Alistair was executed, or just taken to be executed. Escapes and the like are always possible. Loghain, on the other hand...

The games I play in which Alistair dies, he most definitely is dead.  As in, the dark ritual isn't done, and either he refuses to let my character die, or my character feeds him to the arch demon.

Even then, there are ways. Wynne dies, but survives because of a fade spirit. Justice was never 'alive', but becomes a resident of the world. Anything can happen as long a a writer can conceive of the possibility, and death never has to be permanent in fantasy or scifi. Ie. Daniel Jackson.

[Maria Caliban]

errant_knight wrote...

Even then, there are ways. Wynne dies, but survives because of a fade spirit. Justice was never 'alive', but becomes a resident of the world. Anything can happen as long a a writer can conceive of the possibility, and death never has to be permanent in fantasy or scifi. Ie. Daniel Jackson.

Which is unfortunate. One of the things I looked forward to before DA:O released was a fantasy world where there were no magic Get Out of the Grave cards.

[Addai]

The devs have been so adamant against the idea of magical resurrection that I suspect we won't be seeing much of that. I prefer it that way, myself. Such things get cheap in a hurry. Better to make more NPCs "essential" than to the change the lore so that someone gets a magical second lease on life.

[ejoslin]

Doesn't the slaying of the archdemon also destroy the soul of the gray warden? So there is no soul to come back from the fade.

Making Alistair alive for everyone would be a major handwave. I guess it would be, "The gray wardens were wrong."  But why do it?

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 novembre 2010 - 07:10 .

[outlaw1109]

gethslayer7 wrote...

bear in mind you could meet any origins charecter at the begging of your story because it starts when lothering gets attacked
E.G-you could see wyne before your warden does

It seems more likely that you'd see Sten or Lelianna, seeings how that's where The Warden recruited them. 

Sorry, but the prospect of seeing Wyne in future games is not all that appealing to me.  I killed her.

Repeatedly....

[gethslayer7]

outlaw1109 wrote...

gethslayer7 wrote...

bear in mind you could meet any origins charecter at the begging of your story because it starts when lothering gets attacked
E.G-you could see wyne before your warden does

It seems more likely that you'd see Sten or Lelianna, seeings how that's where The Warden recruited them. 

Sorry, but the prospect of seeing Wyne in future games is not all that appealing to me.  I killed her.

Repeatedly....

i dont litarally mean her it was just the 1 person that came into my mind

[outlaw1109]

I realized that, but the idea of her return just...well, I suppose it could give me the enjoyment of killing her for old time's sake...

[Dave of Canada]

I hope to god if Leliana shows up it'll make sure to reference she's in a romance with my Warden, I'm entirely confused at the moment how it'll work out. Could anybody with super toolset knowledge or something tell me that if I made Leliana my mistress by marrying Anora that Leliana is still "romanced"?



I don't want to go through an entire game to find out my romance with her is pointless.

[Maria Caliban]

outlaw1109 wrote...


It seems more likely that you'd see Sten or Lelianna, seeings how that's where The Warden recruited them. 

You know -- that hadn't occurred to me. Leliana could legitimately be in Lothering and my Hawke could interact with her.

[ejoslin]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I hope to god if Leliana shows up it'll make sure to reference she's in a romance with my Warden, I'm entirely confused at the moment how it'll work out. Could anybody with super toolset knowledge or something tell me that if I made Leliana my mistress by marrying Anora that Leliana is still "romanced"?

I don't want to go through an entire game to find out my romance with her is pointless.

In a modded game where a particular bug is fixed, she can still be romanced in this case if she is hardened.  In the vanilla game (or console) no, unless you avoided talking to Leliana from after you and Anora agreed to the marriage.  A quick way to tell is to start awakening and see if you have the love note from Leliana in your codex under 'notes." 

Edit; or of course, if you get an epilogue card that tells you that leliana stays with you, maybe 'for a time,' depending on what you choose to do in the post coronation ceremony.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 novembre 2010 - 07:55 .

[Lolomlas]

Maria Caliban wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...


It seems more likely that you'd see Sten or Lelianna, seeings how that's where The Warden recruited them. 

You know -- that hadn't occurred to me. Leliana could legitimately be in Lothering and my Hawke could interact with her.

The game starts when the Darkspawn invade Lothering isn't it? In that case we can not meet with Sten or Leliana or the Warden because they have already gone.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Maria Caliban wrote...


Which is unfortunate. One of the things I looked forward to before DA:O released was a fantasy world where there were no magic Get Out of the Grave cards.

This. And the fact that magic is pretty limited in scope and scale, compared to other fantasy settings. I like death actually meaning something.

Though Loghain showing up in DA2, even after he's been executed in a most thorough way, would be something. You know, because chopping off one's head is usually pretty definitive of death.

But I suppose that gnomish ressurection men in the employ of Elminster could pop up, sew his head back on, and ressurect him for the sole purpose of being a completely pointless, and random boss battle.

[crimzontearz]

Not necessarily as you can leave both Lelliana and Sten in Lothering if you want

[Dave of Canada]

ejoslin wrote...

In a modded game where a particular bug is fixed, she can still be romanced in this case if she is hardened.  In the vanilla game (or console) no, unless you avoided talking to Leliana from after you and Anora agreed to the marriage.  A quick way to tell is to start awakening and see if you have the love note from Leliana in your codex under 'notes."

She breaks up with you if on the console / vanilla game?

*cries*

[ejoslin]

Dave of Canada wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

In a modded game where a particular bug is fixed, she can still be romanced in this case if she is hardened.  In the vanilla game (or console) no, unless you avoided talking to Leliana from after you and Anora agreed to the marriage.  A quick way to tell is to start awakening and see if you have the love note from Leliana in your codex under 'notes."

She breaks up with you if on the console / vanilla game?

*cries*

If you even discuss marriage with Anora, yes.  even in a fixed game, she'll dump you if she isn't hardened (as intended).  It's caused by two bugs -- a scripting error and a flag error.

[Itkovian]

My money is on Sten returning.

He dies in very few playthroughs, and even so his death is off-screen. He could easily be said to have been freed (or freed himself).

The interesting element is that Hawke might even had heard or seen Sten before. Should make for a fun companionship.

Itkovian

[ejoslin]

Sten is not coming back in DA2. Alistair is under certain circumstances. it wouldn't surprise me if Zevran did, but on his way to Ferelden to attempt to assassinate the warden (ok, ok, I would actually be surprised).



I would not be surprised if Anora/Loghain had cameos under certain circumstances.

[Itkovian]

ejoslin wrote...

Sten is not coming back in DA2.

How do you know this?

Unless there is a dev quote on it, I do not see why this could not happen, especially since the Qunari are a major threat this time around.

Itkovian

[ejoslin]

Itkovian wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sten is not coming back in DA2.

How do you know this?

Unless there is a dev quote on it, I do not see why this could not happen, especially since the Qunari are a major threat this time around.

Itkovian

David Gaider apparently said this in the PAX chats but i'm not going through all of them to get you the minute, so you can take that for what it's worth (which of course is nothing).

I think the only cameo that has actually been confirmed is Alistair's.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:40 .

[bsbcaer]

Itkovian wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sten is not coming back in DA2.

How do you know this?

Unless there is a dev quote on it, I do not see why this could not happen, especially since the Qunari are a major threat this time around.

Itkovian

There have been several dveloper quotes stating that Sten will not be back...don't have time to go traipsing around searching for them...

[Maria Caliban]

Lolomlas wrote...

The game starts when the Darkspawn invade Lothering isn't it?

We know it starts in Lothering but not when.

[Itkovian]

bsbcaer wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sten is not coming back in DA2.

How do you know this?

Unless there is a dev quote on it, I do not see why this could not happen, especially since the Qunari are a major threat this time around.

Itkovian

There have been several dveloper quotes stating that Sten will not be back...don't have time to go traipsing around searching for them...

Ah, very well then. I am sad. I hope you're happy.

Itkovian

[bsbcaer]

Itkovian wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sten is not coming back in DA2.

How do you know this?

Unless there is a dev quote on it, I do not see why this could not happen, especially since the Qunari are a major threat this time around.

Itkovian

There have been several dveloper quotes stating that Sten will not be back...don't have time to go traipsing around searching for them...

Ah, very well then. I am sad. I hope you're happy.

Itkovian

Sorry that you're sad...I am happy that there will be new and different characters written by the same writing crew as the first game; Im interested in seeing what they can come up with 

[errant_knight]

ejoslin wrote...

Doesn't the slaying of the archdemon also destroy the soul of the gray warden? So there is no soul to come back from the fade.

Making Alistair alive for everyone would be a major handwave. I guess it would be, "The gray wardens were wrong."  But why do it?

Well, we don't know how he's coming back, only that he is. There's no reason to assume that he comes back from the dead. He could just as easily only be back if you import a game where you didn't see him die. I'm just saying that if the writers want to bring a character back, there aren't options within the established lore, without pulling a card from their sleeve. If you asked me whether I thought it was likely that an Alistair who did the ultimate sacrifice would return, I'd say no. If you did that I expect you just won't get the cameo. That being said, seeing Alistair led away, or finding his stuff in a chest doesn't mean he's dead for sure, either. The ultimate sacrifice is the only ending where his death is incontrovertible.

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:49 .