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[Herr Uhl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Lolomlas wrote...

The game starts when the Darkspawn invade Lothering isn't it?

We know it starts in Lothering but not when.

The game "starts" in the exaggerated part of the Lothering tale, the thing that is being toured on demos. This after you choose your gender and class, the first bit will be default Hawke (for that gender and class). Then Cassandra will call BS and you get to start making your character beyond gender and class.

Well, at least that is what I assume from this.

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

I think the implication is that you can skip all the extra stuff and be playing a fight within 15 seconds. Not that you absolutely will be playing the game in 15 seconds. Still the implication that this removes all the stat micromanagement is a bad thing no matter how you try to spin it as streamlining. Micromanagement and character building is part of what made DA:O different and great. End of story.

As I've said before, the "15 second to action" is probably when Varric starts telling the story, choose your class and gender and get the default Hawke for that. For the exaggerated part there would be no assignment of skill-points. Cassandra proceeds to call BS (hopefully not a long way in) and he restarts with you going to CC-screen.

As long as that opening sequence isn't too long I'm fine with it.

That's pretty much it, yes. We're not removing stats, we're just moving them to after you get a chance to play the game.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[Itkovian]

But Sten... no one does the disapproving frown like Sten.

That said, I would be surprised if we didn't see Wynne, given the set up she was given in Awakenings.

But Sten would be much better.

Itkovian

[ejoslin]

errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Doesn't the slaying of the archdemon also destroy the soul of the gray warden? So there is no soul to come back from the fade.

Making Alistair alive for everyone would be a major handwave. I guess it would be, "The gray wardens were wrong."  But why do it?

Well, we don't know how he's coming back, only that he is. There's no reason to assume that he comes back from the dead. He could just as easily only be back if you import a game where you didn't see him die. I'm just saying that if the writers want to bring a character back, there aren't options within the established lore, without pulling a card from their sleeve. If you asked me whether I thought it was likely that an Alistair who did the ultimate sacrifice would return, I'd say no. If you did that I expect you just won't get the cameo. That being said, seeing Alistair led away, or finding his stuff in a chest doesn't mean he's dead for sure, either. The ultimate sacrifice is the only ending where his death is incontrovertible.

I thought that was confirmed, that Alistair was only coming back if he was alive.  Furthermore, it makes a difference whether he's king, gray warden, or a drunk.  i was responding to someone who was pointing out that Alistair may not have been executed.  A lot of people seem to forget about the warden commander ending.

Believe me, I'm not saying he should come back for no one because he's dead in a lot of my games (forgive the double negative there -- i'm sure you know what i mean).  Gah, i had this argument already about Zevran, with people saying no one should ever see him again because they killed him in their game.  I'm hoping we at least hear word of our old companions if they're still alive at the end of Origins.  It would be very nice to hear a rumor about the warden and their love interest.

[Talogrungi]

David Gaider wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
something like:

i'm pretty sure you were thrown off a cliff...

party member in question: i landed on a soft bed of leaves/ i fell on water/ i got better.

Possibly, though I imagine we'd do better if we could.

I think our willingness to bring a possibly-dead character back relates to how often they ended up dead in peoples' games. If they're dead in only a small minority of games, there's a better chance than if it was a very common thing... or if we couldn't come up with a non-lame explanation. Hand-waves only go so far, and like I said it's not something we'd want to over-indulge in, anyhow, considering this isn't a setting where death is trivial.

Cailan for companion is DA2! .. he was only ogre-squished and crucified a little bit.

[Schuback]

Isolde. Anyone misses her?

[marbatico]

Schuback wrote...

Isolde. Anyone misses her?

oh, i want her back.



so i can b!tchslap the hell out of her every time she opens her mouth!

[outlaw1109]

Companions are all that I really care about. Sure, it would be neat to see people like Isolde or Irving or Eamon come back for a brief cameo, but I don't really care about them: they're in Ferelden, leave 'em there for all I care. I care about the companions: Lelianna, Morrigan, Zevran, and even Oghren (sorry if I've misspelled any of their names, fans). It would be better to see - or hear - about them. The problem with that would be, of course, if they keep it canon with your playthrough. I really hope so...



In any case, what Gaider said before about reviving the fallen -even though we were warned in origins- they have already told us about. I fought Flemeth. I killed that massive dragon she became and now I'm quite irked that she lives. That battle was hard won for me because I undertook it early in the game, I guess I'll have to see the means with which she has come back. Hopefully, I get to kill her again.

[spell trigger]

Well, "Feign Death" talent can be used as an explanation for Zevran or Leliana's "death" in DAO.

[Dave of Canada]

Schuback wrote...

Isolde. Anyone misses her?

I do. I hope she comes back to life after giving birth to Rowan II so I can kill her daughter and have her die in childbirth again. *That's a little extreme and cruel but I hate Isolde*

[Russalka]

This has the makings of a hate-thread now.



I honestly wish for meaningful encounters or snippets in dialogues, ones which a simple waving and shallow humorous dialogue rarely happens to be.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Believe me, I'm not saying he should come back for no one because he's dead in a lot of my games (forgive the double negative there -- i'm sure you know what i mean).  Gah, i had this argument already about Zevran, with people saying no one should ever see him again because they killed him in their game.  I'm hoping we at least hear word of our old companions if they're still alive at the end of Origins.  It would be very nice to hear a rumor about the warden and their love interest.

Agreed.  Usually in these discussions people get their nozzles twisted at the idea that someone they killed might not stay dead, as though just because those percentage of players did that it means no one should ever see the NPC ever again.  I would rather have the odd case of Wynne or Oghren reviving than not see old companions again at all.

Modifié par Addai67, 22 novembre 2010 - 11:26 .

[Dave of Canada]

Russalka wrote...

I honestly wish for meaningful encounters or snippets in dialogues, ones which a simple waving and shallow humorous dialogue rarely happens to be.

Drunkistair would be pretty epic.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 22 novembre 2010 - 11:26 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

I think the only cameo that has actually been confirmed is Alistair's.

And Nathaniel Howe's. 

[Russalka]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Drunkistair would be pretty epic.

Only if that wuss mentions how he pushed away the only elf mage that would sleep with him.

Modifié par Russalka, 22 novembre 2010 - 11:30 .

[Qset]

ejoslin wrote...

Doesn't the slaying of the archdemon also destroy the soul of the gray warden? So there is no soul to come back from the fade.

Making Alistair alive for everyone would be a major handwave. I guess it would be, "The gray wardens were wrong."  But why do it?

well, one possible route, (not great mind you) could be the link between Flemeth and Maric that is hinted at that then leads to the possibility that Alistair in fact absorbed the old god spirit and went into a state of near death until a later date.....

Hence, with or without the DR you get a human with an old god soft centre

I know, pretty weak.

[Qset]

Maria Caliban wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Even then, there are ways. Wynne dies, but survives because of a fade spirit. Justice was never 'alive', but becomes a resident of the world. Anything can happen as long a a writer can conceive of the possibility, and death never has to be permanent in fantasy or scifi. Ie. Daniel Jackson.

Which is unfortunate. One of the things I looked forward to before DA:O released was a fantasy world where there were no magic Get Out of the Grave cards.

well its not so much magical methods they have used in those cases, rather they are spiritual ones. So I guess the precedent has been set that there could be a spiritual root for anyone they really want back in

[Da_Lion_Man]

bsbcaer wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Alistair is confirmed to have a cameo, depending on your choices.

Flemeth will have a cameo.

In one of the PAX chats, David Gaider said Sten won't be back, at all

As for previous party members being party members again, I doubt it since all of them can die in DAO. If there are, they'll probably just be temporary. (I think David Gaider said, some will be cameos, some will be more)

Maybe I'm the only one thinking this but I think that's a bit cheap... you spent all of your time with the characters in DA:O and they will only return as a cameo in the sequel, if you're lucky.

I do understand it is a very hard thing to do though and you can't please everyone.
Guess Mass Effect 3 will do the same thing... bye bye Garrus for Mass Effect 3 *sigh*.

Different story, different part of the world and both games overlap part of the same timeline.  Besides, don't you want to meet different characters and different people in the world?  Would get kind of boring to be around the same characters all the time when you're telling a completely different story...would also become increasingly harder to explain why Wynne for eg would travel with different VIPs (ie. your PC in diferent games) and then not see Wynne as the most important character in the world rather than your character

I don't need the whole crew to return. As you said, it would get boring. I just thought it would be cool to have a mix of new party members and party members you're familiar with.

[Ziggeh]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

I don't need the whole crew to return. As you said, it would get boring. I just thought it would be cool to have a mix of new party members and party members you're familiar with.

Yeah, it would quickly outstay it's welcome. "Suprise, suprise, look who it is." But the odd cameo would definitely be most welcome.

My money would be on Sten given the whole qunari thing, though the rejiggered appearance might cause that one to come a cropper. Myabe we should work up a table of odds based on the list someone posted a little earlier. I'd definitely take a flutter on Sigrun, even if that is possibly the lamest euphemism ever conceived.

[Bryy_Miller]

Talogrungi wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
something like:

i'm pretty sure you were thrown off a cliff...

party member in question: i landed on a soft bed of leaves/ i fell on water/ i got better.

Possibly, though I imagine we'd do better if we could.

I think our willingness to bring a possibly-dead character back relates to how often they ended up dead in peoples' games. If they're dead in only a small minority of games, there's a better chance than if it was a very common thing... or if we couldn't come up with a non-lame explanation. Hand-waves only go so far, and like I said it's not something we'd want to over-indulge in, anyhow, considering this isn't a setting where death is trivial.

Cailan for companion is DA2! .. he was only ogre-squished and crucified a little bit.

I understand where Gaider is coming from, but this concerns me a bit. There is not a lot of wiggle room with any of the deaths in Origins (except Witch Hunt and Flemeth).

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 23 novembre 2010 - 12:45 .

[Ymladdych]

spell trigger wrote...
Well, "Feign Death" talent can be used as an explanation for Zevran or Leliana's "death" in DAO.

Wow...that's good thinking.  Tricky without being too cheap.  (Of course, they'd have to introduce a "test for real death" dynamic after playing that card on the players.)

[Ortaya Alevli]

Ymladdych wrote...

spell trigger wrote...
Well, "Feign Death" talent can be used as an explanation for Zevran or Leliana's "death" in DAO.

Wow...that's good thinking.  Tricky without being too cheap.  (Of course, they'd have to introduce a "test for real death" dynamic after playing that card on the players.)

Well, they died, I looted their corpses, and they turned into a pool of blood and a handful of bones.

If they managed to survive that somehow, they sure have every right to pop up in DA2. More power to them.

[David Gaider]

outlaw1109 wrote...
The problem with that would be, of course, if they keep it canon with your playthrough. I really hope so...

We do have situations in DA2 where someone being dead in DAO means you simply won't see them again, period. We also have situations where a living character from DAO has a different appearance based on how they ended up.

All I'm saying is that someone who is dead might be alive, if we feel it's worthy and have an explanation-- even if that explanation is a hand-wave. That is not to be taken as "all dead characters will have their death ignored". It's to be taken as "we will exert our narrator perogative if we feel it's necessary."

[upsettingshorts]

Confirmed: Drunk Alistair has a messy, unkempt beard.

[tmp7704]

David Gaider wrote...

We also have situations where a living character from DAO has a different appearance based on how they ended up.

Ooh; cleanly shaven and freshly bathed King Alistair vs haggard and dirty drunk Alistair?

edit: meh, 'ed

Modifié par tmp7704, 23 novembre 2010 - 01:52 .

[Dave of Canada]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Confirmed: Drunk Alistair has a messy, unkempt beard.

He also smells of Montsimmard Red.