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[Loerwyn]

gneebore wrote...
Nope The op asked for an opinion of the game.  I gave an honest opinion.  It was also given right after about the thirtieth time I tried fighting the ogre.  And gave the game up as a lost cause because the controls are just not up to par with the difficulty of the combat.  Even using a toolbox editor to cheat the game.  Never had to do that with any other game before.  Even the less than stellar Fallout 3 had easy to learn and use combat controls compared to this game.

You're on the PC. The controls are no different to many other cRPGs out there, or if they are then they're not wildly different. If you're struggling then it's because you're slamming your face on the keyboard.

You registered today about an hour ago, you have no games on your account (And you need one to download the toolset) and you've only posted in this topic. You mention an exaggerated situation, and if you were so keen on hacking the game you'd have used console commands rather than the toolset (Muuuuch easier) - Not to mention that on Easy, the Ogre would have been worn down by attacks long before you'd depleted the 800 hit points you gave yourself. You are clearly trolling with the intent of either smearing BioWare's name (Which they're doing well enough by themselves, thank you) or simply just to confuse the OP.

If you don't like the game, fine, none of us will judge you for that. But you've come into a topic where the OP has an honest question and query, and you've spewed out some exaggerated BS in order to make the game look bad.

[Daewan]

gneebore wrote...
Rendering an honest opinion is not trolling.  This games combat system is not intuitive nor is the AI tactics setup worth a flip.  The mage was set to standoff and use magic.  Not to engage in melee.  Yet repeatedly the mage was running in and fighting hand to hand with his fists!  My character was set to use a bow and fire arrows.  Good idea since I had the elven long bow with 80  +2fire arrows in inventory.  Yet repeatedly the computer tactics had my bowman running in and standing toe-to-toe and firing arrows!  And did that while I was in control of any other character.

Was there a reason you took the staff away from your mage?  They need those to cast spells, you know.

[termokanden]

I don't believe they do, actually.

Still silly not to use one though.

Modifié par termokanden, 22 novembre 2010 - 07:33 .

[errant_knight]

Daewan wrote...

gneebore wrote...
Rendering an honest opinion is not trolling.  This games combat system is not intuitive nor is the AI tactics setup worth a flip.  The mage was set to standoff and use magic.  Not to engage in melee.  Yet repeatedly the mage was running in and fighting hand to hand with his fists!  My character was set to use a bow and fire arrows.  Good idea since I had the elven long bow with 80  +2fire arrows in inventory.  Yet repeatedly the computer tactics had my bowman running in and standing toe-to-toe and firing arrows!  And did that while I was in control of any other character.

Was there a reason you took the staff away from your mage?  They need those to cast spells, you know.

Heh, I totally missed that bit. Also, the archer won't do that if you change the tactics from default.

[Arthur Cousland]

If ranged characters end up fighting in close, it's usually because the party tends to be grouped together right after cut scenes and the like. If it's that big of an issue, switch to them and have them move away. It seems that you may need to change their behavior in the tactics menu. If you have someone equipped with a great axe, but their behavior is set to ranged, then they will end up fighting with arrows if they have a bow equipped as a secondary weapon.



If you want them to fight from range, try ranged or passive. For my melee fighters, I prefer defensive, except for the tank, who I have on aggressive. I'll then have the tank attack the nearest enemy while everyone else attacks whoever the tank is fighting. If I want the party to attack a specific enemy, then I'll pull up the radial menu and point the tank towards the desired target and the rest of the party follows.

[gneebore]

Daewan wrote...

I had no problem fighting the ogre, I play DA:O on the Xbox. My first playthrough was with a Human Noble warrior, I had no idea what I was doing but I have plenty of RPG experience and the Ogre in the tower was a good challenge but manageable. By the time I had mastered that game and was going through with my mage, that ogre was a piece of cake. Frozen, burning cake.
If you like RPG games, you'll like DA:O. If you like BioWare games, you'll love DA:O. Despite the complaints and the whiners, the game is perfectly playable on the Xbox if you want to sit on your couch and play. If you want to tweak everything to death and have complete control over every little aspect of the game, then you'll need the PC version. Either way, you will have fun.

Actually I would agree with you in a way.  The console game would be much easier because you don't have to makes so many tweaks and adjustments constantly.  I just don't have a console and am not willing to pay for one to play a thirty dollar game.  If it were possible to leave the camera view on overhead it may have been less distracting when trying to figure out combat moves.  Especially since the camera view would shift with just a touch of the mouse.  Yes the mouse driver sensitivity is set to low out of game.  But the game over rides that sensitivity and supplies it's own settings.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Jonny110 wrote...

Im hearing alot about mods what does that include because i would most like be buying the ultimate edition would it muck up the DLC ?

Dragon Age  "mods" are community-developed (NOT  BioWare) "modifications" to the game.  Many (most!) enhance some particular aspect (apperance, item or character capabilities, etc.)  Some others add functionality, and even whole new characters or mini-adventures.

A few, very, very good ones, fix problems (of which DA  has it's share.)  Into this latter category I put: "Qwinn's Unoffical Fixpack", "Morrigan Restoration Pack", and "DA Rules Fixpack".  I actually never noticed the things they fix during my first playthrough, (which I HIGHLY recommend doing completely UNmodded!) but really like some of the changes as I explore some of the more hidden corners of the game.

While some mods don't play well with some of the DLC, (Leliana's Song  and Witch Hunt  being the two with the most reported issues) mods are easily removed if a conflict is discovered.

So get the Ultimate Edition, and Enjoy!

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:03 .

[gneebore]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

You're on the PC. The controls are no different to many other cRPGs out there, or if they are then they're not wildly different. If you're struggling then it's because you're slamming your face on the keyboard.

You registered today about an hour ago, you have no games on your account (And you need one to download the toolset) and you've only posted in this topic. You mention an exaggerated situation, and if you were so keen on hacking the game you'd have used console commands rather than the toolset (Muuuuch easier) - Not to mention that on Easy, the Ogre would have been worn down by attacks long before you'd depleted the 800 hit points you gave yourself. You are clearly trolling with the intent of either smearing BioWare's name (Which they're doing well enough by themselves, thank you) or simply just to confuse the OP.

If you don't like the game, fine, none of us will judge you for that. But you've come into a topic where the OP has an honest question and query, and you've spewed out some exaggerated BS in order to make the game look bad.

Sorry the toolset is available on quite a few different websites, not just Bioware.  I registered because I fully intended to let Bioware know my opinion of their game.  This is a Bioware website.  If I hadn't joined this thread I would have started a completely different one with the exact same compliants about the game. 

Secondly the controls are similar to FPS'ers not rpg's.  The situation is not an exaggeration.  I reported what I tried.  In two days of playing off and on this one blasted combat there was just too much frustration built up.  Sorry you seem to think   you are the princess of cRPG's that no one else has the right to disagree with.  Tthe ones who knows all like you think  yourself up to be.   What a crock. 

I had no intention of hacking the game.  Using the console commands would have made a extremely frustrating game situation even worse.  Simply because it would have added even more and different keystrokes to the game.  I downloaded the toolset because I had become so frustrated with the difficulty of fighting the ogre.  Opps sorry that may not have been stated simply enough for you to understand.  Getting to that one combat was relatively simple and easy enough to managed once the tutorials showed me how in the game.

[gneebore]

Daewan wrote...

gneebore wrote...
Rendering an honest opinion is not trolling.  This games combat system is not intuitive nor is the AI tactics setup worth a flip.  The mage was set to standoff and use magic.  Not to engage in melee.  Yet repeatedly the mage was running in and fighting hand to hand with his fists!  My character was set to use a bow and fire arrows.  Good idea since I had the elven long bow with 80  +2fire arrows in inventory.  Yet repeatedly the computer tactics had my bowman running in and standing toe-to-toe and firing arrows!  And did that while I was in control of any other character.

Was there a reason you took the staff away from your mage?  They need those to cast spells, you know.

I have no idea why the mage was not using the staff.  I certainly did not take it away from him.  In other parts of the game ( in the arls mansion for instance) Solaris continually put away the sword or knife he was equipped with to fight with his fists also.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

I would like to point out that NO ONE is saying, "Yeah, I had that problem too. Boy those DA controls were really hard to figure out. That Ogre kicked my ass!" EVERYONE is saying, Gneebore has some problem understanding how the game works, and therefore has a very different persepctive on it than the rest of the several million people who have been able to figure it out and have enjoyed it immensely.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:07 .

[steven20011]

It is awsome.

I spend so mush hours on it, Totally word the money.

The story is very good and the replay value is great.

If you like KOTOR, and are a fan of bioware buy it, you know what you can expect but it will be mush better then you highest expectation.

If you still don't know. Buy the ultimate edition.

[errant_knight]

gneebore wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

You're on the PC. The controls are no different to many other cRPGs out there, or if they are then they're not wildly different. If you're struggling then it's because you're slamming your face on the keyboard.

You registered today about an hour ago, you have no games on your account (And you need one to download the toolset) and you've only posted in this topic. You mention an exaggerated situation, and if you were so keen on hacking the game you'd have used console commands rather than the toolset (Muuuuch easier) - Not to mention that on Easy, the Ogre would have been worn down by attacks long before you'd depleted the 800 hit points you gave yourself. You are clearly trolling with the intent of either smearing BioWare's name (Which they're doing well enough by themselves, thank you) or simply just to confuse the OP.

If you don't like the game, fine, none of us will judge you for that. But you've come into a topic where the OP has an honest question and query, and you've spewed out some exaggerated BS in order to make the game look bad.

Sorry the toolset is available on quite a few different websites, not just Bioware.  I registered because I fully intended to let Bioware know my opinion of their game.  This is a Bioware website.  If I hadn't joined this thread I would have started a completely different one with the exact same compliants about the game. 

Secondly the controls are similar to FPS'ers not rpg's.  The situation is not an exaggeration.  I reported what I tried.  In two days of playing off and on this one blasted combat there was just too much frustration built up.  Sorry you seem to think   you are the princess of cRPG's that no one else has the right to disagree with.  Tthe ones who knows all like you think  yourself up to be.   What a crock. 

I had no intention of hacking the game.  Using the console commands would have made a extremely frustrating game situation even worse.  Simply because it would have added even more and different keystrokes to the game.  I downloaded the toolset because I had become so frustrated with the difficulty of fighting the ogre.  Opps sorry that may not have been stated simply enough for you to understand.  Getting to that one combat was relatively simple and easy enough to managed once the tutorials showed me how in the game.

Why are you so resistant to believing that you're doing something wrong? If you're playing it like a FPS, then that's part of your problem right there, but the other things you describe like not setting the archer to ranged combat, or the mage not having his staff equipped, show that you aren't even trying when it comes to tactics. And you haven't PM'd me for help as I offered, nor have you registered your game to get additional help. It's true that if you made youself level 25, as you say, that ogre shouls have been a cake walk, especially given the plethora of additional spells and mana reserve that you would have gained, as well as what powerhouses your fighters would be. That just doesn't make sense.  I responded as though you were having genuine difficulities, because one never knows, but I'm finding that increasingly difficult to believe since you show no sign of appreciating help, or wanting to do anything about your problems, or even acknowledging that the problem may be yours. Re: the fists thing. I have to assume that you haven't filled the secondary equipment slot and are clicking on the interface icon to switch to an empty set without knowing what you're clicking on.

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:18 .

[gneebore]

errant_knight wrote...

Why are you so resistant to believing that you're doing something wrong? If you're playing it like a FPS, then that's part of your problem right there, but the other things you describe like not setting the archer to ranged combat, or the mage not having his staff equipped, show that you aren't even trying when it comes to tactics. And you haven't PM'd me for help as I offered, nor have you registered your game to get additional help. It's true that if you made youself level 25, as you say, that ogre shouls have been a cake walk, especially given the plethora of additional spells and mana reserve that you would have gained, as well as what powerhouses your fighters would be. That just doesn't make sense.  I responded as though you were having genuine difficulities, because one never knows, but I'm finding that increasingly difficult to believe since you show no sign of appreciating help, or wanting to do anything about your problems, or even acknowledging that the problem may be yours.

I was not playing like an FPS.  What I have done is uninstall the game. It is no longer on my system.  Getting rid of the game took approximately ten minutes while I was posting in the forums here.   This is the first Bioware game purchased by me.  It is the last if all of their other games are similar to this one.  And I do not have pm messaging set up.  Never used them.  Never needed them.  As for making the character 25th level.  Nope didn't do that completely.  Just bumped the hitpoints to that level posted while everythig else was left alone.  My character was a level four fighter in the combat.  That's how easy the game was for me to begin with before I  got to the ogre combat.  I downloaded the toolset because I was having so much trouble with the ogre.  So while I appreciate the offered assistance I've gone past asking for help in a game I do not like.

As for the archer not being set to ranged.  That is one of the tactics options, archer is it not?.  Another is defender and then there are the custom options too.

[gneebore]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

I would like to point out that NO ONE is saying, "Yeah, I had that problem too. Boy those DA controls were really hard to figure out. That Ogre kicked my ass!" EVERYONE is saying, Gneebore has some problem understanding how the game works, and therefore has a very different persepctive on it than the rest of the several million people who have been able to figure it out and have enjoyed it immensely.

And you have  missed the point too.  The ogre combat was the problem.   I had some difficulty intially and used the tutorials to learn the systems. It does take several hours to get to the ogre combat encounter.   The game was fairly easy until that combat.  I managed to get to that encounter with a fourth level elven fighter.  I did not like the sensitivity of the mouse to switch over the shoulder views to overhead view easily.  But that was easier to compensate for by using the key board W.A.S keybuttons.  In fact I believe this game would have been easier to play in that respect on a console than a pc.

[Loerwyn]

You know what's even funnier? The toolset is poorly supported and a pain in the backside to even begin to use, and yet you found that "easier" than one of the easier boss fights in the game.

Choo really be trollin' bro.

[errant_knight]

And if is telling the truth, just isn't getting the, 'Dude, you screwed up to a degree that is impossible to comprehend.'

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:59 .

[gneebore]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

You know what's even funnier? The toolset is poorly supported and a pain in the backside to even begin to use, and yet you found that "easier" than one of the easier boss fights in the game.
Choo really be trollin' bro.

I used the toolset maybe three times.  The directions on how to change stats were included in a forum post on another gamer/forum website  Took all of five minutes to follow those directions to change the hitpoints.  I did not need to use the entire toolset just that portion that edits the character saved game.  Sorry you have such a problem with an easy to use tool. 

[gneebore]

errant_knight wrote...

And if is telling the truth, just isn't getting the, 'Dude, you screwed up to a degree that is impossible to comprehend.'

Impossible for you to comprehend.  The only thing I screwed up was buying a game that is such a terrible game.  The first  several tries in the ogre conflict the ogre killed with one blow.  All 186 hit points of the guard with one hit.   All 185 points of my characters gone with one blow.  Yes for that attempt I was using the two handed sword instead of the bow.  Another attempt it pulled the ground smash to knock over a mage that was on the other side of the room away from the action.  Archers that run into combat an fire at point blank range when set to do the opposite.  Mages that fight with fists instead of magic.  Yeap a completely coherent set of game actions.

[errant_knight]

gneebore wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

And if is telling the truth, just isn't getting the, 'Dude, you screwed up to a degree that is impossible to comprehend.'

Impossible for you to comprehend.  The only thing I screwed up was buying a game that is such a terrible game.  The first  several tries in the ogre conflict the ogre killed with one blow.  All 186 hit points of the guard with one hit.   All 185 points of my characters gone with one blow.  Yes for that attempt I was using the two handed sword instead of the bow.  Another attempt it pulled the ground smash to knock over a mage that was on the other side of the room away from the action.  Archers that run into combat an fire at point blank range when set to do the opposite.  Mages that fight with fists instead of magic.  Yeap a completely coherent set of game actions.

Look, what we're saying is its you. It's not the game. I was trying to be nice about it and offer to help, but....it's you.

[Loerwyn]

Maybe if you played the game properly, you wouldn't have those issues. You made them for yourself, either by sheer incompetence or honest mistakes (I highly doubt the latter). If the staff hasn't been unequipped, check the other weapon set. If your characters are moving when you don't want them to, "lock" them into position.

The control scheme is not hard. You can use the mouse to do everything, and the keyboard is not needed. But, at the same time, the game can be made much more "responsive" by using the keyboard at the same time. I found it perfectly fine with WASD controls and my attacks (Not my sustainables) bound to the 1-10 numbers (As I'd use them in an MMO). That, to me, is the most natural control method for this game. If that doesn't suit you, you can use the mouse to activate attacks.

If you're not trolling, then you have fundamental issues with gaming, and not with Dragon Age: Origins. Can the game be hard, even on easy? Yes, it can. But if you're falling so quickly on these fights then there's something wrong on your end, and it is not the fault of the game. You say you've edited X, Y and Z in the toolset yet still fallen in that fight - Again, further reinforcing that the game is not at fault - It's you. Thousands, perhaps millions, of characters have gotten past that fight with no real issue, ranging from experienced players to novices, and from first timers to RPG veterans. They've all done it without cheating and without being a big cry baby about it.

If you don't like the game, that is fine, but do not come into a topic where someone is asking about the game and decry it as terrible because your own incompetence has stopped you progressing past a certain fight.

And, truth be told, I don't think you've struggled with the game. I honestly think you're exaggerating the situation to garner responses and to fuel your own ego. So stop derailing this thread and making it about your issues, because it's not about you. The OP wants honest advice about the game, and you're being dishonest about it.

[Maria Caliban]

Jonny110 wrote...

Hello everyone

I am a huge bioware and mass effect fan ive played KOTOR 1 and 2 mass effect 1 and 2 and have already preorderd my copy of TOR but for some reason i have never got round to playing dragon age so my question today is. Is it worth buying dragon age any comments on its positives and negatives would be great

Thank you  

Greetings and salutations. I think it's an excellent game and would encourage you to pick up the ultimate edition, which has Origins + Awakenings + 9 DLC.

Positives:
Lots of content - about x2 as long as ME 2.
Great companions - If you liked the companions in ME 2, you'll like those in DA:O
Tactical Gameplay - You get to control your character + 3 companions and there are a ton of skills and talents.

Negatives:
Not as good looking
Silent PC
Steeper learning curve
Some parts can 'drag.'

[gneebore]

errant_knight wrote...

Look, what we're saying is its you. It's not the game. I was trying to be nice about it and offer to help, but....it's you.

I offered an opinion about a game I found less than stellar. The game sucks to be blunt.  Frankly I was not asking for help.  I did not want it.  My mind had been made up about a game I did not enjoy any longer.  I had already started uninstalling the game as I was posting.


The ogre combat made the game in my mind one of the worst games I have ever had the experience of playing.  Fable was not this difficult. Fallout 3 was difficult but did not change tactics in mid stream like this one did.  If I set an npc in either of those games to a set tactic they stuck to it.  Both of those games had extensive simultaneous use of the keyboard and mouse for control in combat and movement.  In fact Fable was real time combat.  Not turn based.

This game is also completely linear.  Do a then b then c an on and on.  No chance for extra exploration.  Just boom here you are stuck in this progression and tough do it like we want you too.  There is no way any fourth level character should have been in that sort of combat to begin with.  Especially when the opponent can do that much damaged in one blow.

[Daewan]

gneebore wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Look, what we're saying is its you. It's not the game. I was trying to be nice about it and offer to help, but....it's you.

I offered an opinion about a game I found less than stellar. The game sucks to be blunt.  Frankly I was not asking for help.  I did not want it.  My mind had been made up about a game I did not enjoy any longer.  I had already started uninstalling the game as I was posting.


The ogre combat made the game in my mind one of the worst games I have ever had the experience of playing.  Fable was not this difficult. Fallout 3 was difficult but did not change tactics in mid stream like this one did.  If I set an npc in either of those games to a set tactic they stuck to it.  Both of those games had extensive simultaneous use of the keyboard and mouse for control in combat and movement.  In fact Fable was real time combat.  Not turn based.

This game is also completely linear.  Do a then b then c an on and on.  No chance for extra exploration.  Just boom here you are stuck in this progression and tough do it like we want you too.  There is no way any fourth level character should have been in that sort of combat to begin with.  Especially when the opponent can do that much damaged in one blow.

I'm sorry, what?  Are we talking about the same game?
How did you get to the Tower at 4th level?  Did you just skip every single combat and sidequest in the Kocari Wilds and the Origin story?

[Catspaw]

gneebore wrote...

If it weren't so confounded difficult to play. The idiotic controls and the nearly impossible to master combat. Even using the Toolbox and boosting hit points to over 800 the blasted Ogre in the tower is impossible to defeat at the easist setting. I gave up on this piece of garbage and am going to delete the game and throw away the dvd. I have never been so disappointed in any game as much as I have been with the P.O.S

My friend had the same problem. She gave up and went on to play some other online games. She's now about to start again after seeing how much I've enjoyed it. I found the forum to be very helpful along with some YouTube playthroughs posted by more experienced players. It gave me additional information on what to do to get past the first ogre. It has gotten easier as I've gotten farther along the left side of the learning curve. I'm almost finished with my first playthrough on easy and will probably move up to Normal on my next character.

[Loerwyn]

Daewan wrote...
I'm sorry, what?  Are we talking about the same game?
How did you get to the Tower at 4th level?  Did you just skip every single combat and sidequest in the Kocari Wilds and the Origin story?

I was trying to work out if you were 4th or not there. Isn't it much closer to 7th?