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[Selenora]

Mesina2 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?

4. Who was loyal in ME2?

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.

Have 4 canons so here it is:

Rian Shep: All, Ashley, all but Zaeed, all, Mordin, Morinth (chose Samara), Jack, Grunt
(My first ME2 playthrough)

Seline Shep: All, Ash, all, all but Jack, Jack

Beth Shep: all, Ash, all, all, none

Stella Shep: all, Ash and Wrex, all, all, none

How can you have 4 canons?

Coz i play A LOT? lol
in my 22 playthroughs only 4 made it to ME2 as lev 60 tho.the rest are there to just flirt with Kai

[Bourne Endeavor]

Although I have played one complete file in Mass Effect 2. Within the month or so I intend to add an additional two, if not three files. Thus, I shall offer those lists as well.

Dawson Shepard
1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?
Everyone

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)
Kaidan

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?
All characters recruited, including DLC

4. Who was loyal in ME2?
Everyone

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.
Morinth died during Samara's LM
*********

Selene Shepard
1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?
Everyone

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only
played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)
Ashley

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?
All characters recruited, including DLC

4. Who was loyal in ME2?
Everyone

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.
Morinth died during Samara's LM
*********

Marcus/Alexis Shepard
1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?
Everyone

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only
played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)
Wrex, Ashley

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?
All characters recruited, including DLC

4. Who was loyal in ME2?
Loyalty was modded off, so technically no one

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.
Everyone
*********

That last one will probably have replays where I experiment a bit. The first two are my canon files and all others are merely for giggles. That third one will be particularly evil as it is my intent to ruin everyone's lives first.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 24 novembre 2010 - 04:05 .

[CroGamer002]

Snuggels99 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Heh, Kaidan fangirls (no offence) really hate Tali and Garrus!

Nope, I don`t hate them! I just don' t want Tali & Garrus again as potential ME3 Teammates!
It´s only fair - two Games for each (if Kaidan/Ashley, Liara & Wrex return).

So if Ashley/Kaidan get DLC like Liara then will you still hate for them to be squadmates in ME3?

[Selenora]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Heh, Kaidan fangirls (no offence) really hate Tali and Garrus!

Errrrrrrrrr.....no.......... why would we???

Garrus specificaly was in my team the whole time and Tali in some misions too

[Destroy Raiden_]

ME2



Deaths and loyalty



Out of 5 Sheps ( 4F, 1M) all killed Mornith



1 Fshep SM Casualties Samara and Legion all loyal except Legion



1 Mshep SM Casualties Jack she was not loyal



1 Fshep did not have loyal Zeed he however did not die in hold the line either?



2 Fshep SM Casualties Miranda retreat death not loyal but did not put her in any squads she died holding the line



Members recruitment



4 out of 5 recruited all squad mates



1 Fshep did not recruit Zeed



ME1



Deaths or lack there of



4 out of 5 Sheps saved Wrex



1 out of 5 Saved Kaiden



1 out of 5 Saved the Council



4 out of 5 saved Ashley for strategic reasons



All 5 Saved Queen



Members recruitment



Out of 5 Sheps all squad mates recruited

[AdmiralCheez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

New feedback data from BioWare is up.

14% of squad members die in the end-game, on average

That's more than one even if you go with the minimum of 8 squadmates into the "suicide mission".

To science, cheers!

Zulu, Zulu, Zulu... *shakes head and sighs*

Averages can be decieving.  Allow me to demonstrate.  Let's say that the following sequence represents the number of surviving squadmates in five hypothetical saves:

12, 12, 12, 2, 12.

The mode of the sequence, or the most frequently occuring number, is 12: a full squad, meaning most people are saving everyone, except for that one guy who killed all but two.  However, the mean, or average, is only 10 survivors, or two dead squadmates.  2/12 = 17% death rate (rounded to the nearest precent).

It only takes one really bad run out of five to make it look like most people are killing 2 squaddies per save.

Furthermore, I have a poll going that shows, of people surveyed who have played Mass Effect 2, 90% have at least one save where everyone survives (as of this post, anyway).  Half of those people save everyone all the time.

See that?  I just did math to you.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 26 novembre 2010 - 04:55 .

[Zulu_DFA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

New feedback data from BioWare is up.

14% of squad members die in the end-game, on average

That's more than one even if you go with the minimum of 8 squadmates into the "suicide mission".

To science, cheers!

Zulu, Zulu, Zulu... *shakes head and sighs*

Averages can be decieving.  Allow me to demonstrate.  Let's say that the following sequence represents the number of surviving squadmates in five hypothetical saves:

12, 12, 12, 2, 12.

The mode of the sequence, or the most frequently occuring number, is 12: a full squad, meaning most people are saving everyone, except for that one guy who killed all but two.  However, the mean, or average, is only 10 survivors, or two dead squadmates.  2/12 = 17% death rate (rounded to the nearest precent).

It only takes one really bad run out of five to make it look like most people are killing 2 squaddies per save.

Furthermore, I have a poll going that shows, of people surveyed who have played Mass Effect 2, 90% have at least one save where everyone survives (as of this post, anyway).  Half of those people save everyone all the time.

See that?  I just did math to you.

You did the math? Oh, shucks, I'm beaten I guess.

[Factors in the noobs... casuals... 60% of people who didn't get the NOLB medal on first playthrough... 10% of people who never bothered with flushing Grunt out of the tank... 10% of people on this forum, who don't have a "perfect" save -- screw them says you...]

All right, keep fooling yourself.

[RiouHotaru]

Save A, Emily Shepard, Canon: Kaidan died, Recruited everyone, everyone was loyal, noone died.

Save B, David Shepard, Canon: Ashley died, Recruited everyone, everyone was loyal, noone died.

[atheelogos]

My very first playthrough wasn't the best. The crew died and so did Mordin, but every playthourgh after that I've had everyone live.

[Pacifien]

Main Playthrough
This playthrough is thorough with decisions made to ensure Shepard is the most prepared ever going into ME3.

1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?
Recruited everyone in ME1.

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)
Ashley died.

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?
Recruited everyone possible in ME2, including the DLC characters.

4. Who was loyal in ME2?
Everyone loyal in ME2, even Zaeed in spite of taking the paragon path.

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.
Only Morinth died.


Worst Playthrough Ever
This is the playthrough where I try to ensure Shepard is the worst prepared individual ever going into ME3.

1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?
Did not recruit Garrus.

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)
Killed Wrex and Kaidan.

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?
Recruited everyone.

4. Who was loyal in ME2?
Garrus, Grunt, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Legion, Mordin, Morinth

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.
Everyone except Kasumi and Morinth


Realistic Playthrough
Decisions were made as I would have made them using my own bizarre sense that I use in my actual life. So this Shepard is probably not that very smart.

1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?
Everyone.

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)
Wrex and Ashley, but Wrex was due to my own failure to talk him down.

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?
Everyone

4. Who was loyal in ME2?
Garrus, Grunt, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Legion, Mordin, Samara, Thane -- I would have preferred to have Tali's loyalty but we had a strong difference of opinion at one point.

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.
Morinth, Tali, and Zaeed

[AdmiralCheez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

You did the math? Oh, shucks, I'm beaten I guess.

[Factors in the noobs... casuals... 60% of people who didn't get the NOLB medal on first playthrough... 10% of people who never bothered with flushing Grunt out of the tank... 10% of people on this forum, who don't have a "perfect" save -- screw them says you...]

All right, keep fooling yourself.

Actually, when nine out of ten people have at least one perfect playthrough, I think you're the one who's fooling himself.  It's not a matter of screwing over the people who don't have a NOLB, it's a matter of NOT screwing over the whopping 90% that do.  Besides, are you seriously going to whine and angst over how you don't get to recruit Garrus again when you're the one that made an active decision to kill him off, thus implying that you didn't want him to return in ME3?  Didn't you want your decisions to have bigger consequences, anyway?

Note that most of the people who didn't get the NOLB achievement on their first run went back and did it again.  And I admit, it really sucks that I don't have data for casual players (and I honestly have no way of getting it without waiting for Bioware to throw out another release), but what I HAVE collected so far is interesting:

So far, no squadmate (apart from Morinth) has an overall survival rate lower than 75% (that number is subject to change, since I haven't factored in the last few submissions yet).  And, according to my data, it's much more common to send Legion to Cerberus than it is to not recruit Grunt.

Gotta admit, though, the overall vs. forumer stats are interesting: forumers only skipped Grunt 3% of the time, while overall he was skippd 10% of the time.  7% isn't a huge difference, mind you, but I'd really like to see detailed, official statistics one of these days.  You know, since forumers tend to be obsessive completionists and thus I am stuck with massive sample bias.

I'll post a more detailed rundown when I have the time (Sunday night, probably).  As of now, I am trapped in dial-up hell and thus even typing up this reply was torture.

[mineralica]

Have 6 playthroughs of ME1 and 15 of ME2. Statistic for characters:

Ashley: alive 0/6 (Kaidan's fangirl here. Poor Ashley, I'd gladly kill Liara instead)

Kaidan: alive 6/6

Wrex: alive 6/6, 15/15

Garrus: recruited 6/6, loyal 15/15, alive 12/15

Liara: recruited 6/6, LotSB 4/15

Tali: recruited 14/15, loyal 14/15, alive 13/15

Miranda: loyal 14/15, alive 13/15

Jacob: loyal 15/15, alive 10/15

Jack: loyal 15/15, alive 12/15

Mordin: loyal and alive 15/15

Grunt: unleashed 15/15. loyal 15/15, alive 10/15

Thane: recruited, loyal and alive 15/15

Samara: recruited, loyal and alive 15/15

Morinth: recruited 0/15

Legion: activated 15/15, loyal 14/15, alive 14/15

Zaeed: recruited 5/15 (after SM), loyal 3/15, alive 15/15 (post-SM recruitments and not recruited. Never killed)

Kasumi: recruited 3/15 (after SM), loyal 3/15, alive 15/15 (post-SM recruitments and not recruited. Never killed)

MaleShepard: 2/6, 3/15 Always survives SM

FemShep: 4/6, 12/15 Always survives SM

[Grisson]

Shepard the first (My 'Canon' Shepard)!
Argo Shepard.
1) All recruited
2) Ashley died
3) No Morinth
4) All characters loyal
5) Morinth dead

Shepard the second!
Invictus Shepard
1) All recruited
2: Ashley dead
3) No Morinth
4) Zaeed not loyal
5) Morinth dead

Shepard the third (and last)!
Mal Shepard
1) All recruited
2) Ashley and Wrex dead
3) Thane skipped.
4) Thane not loyal (see above), Miranda not loyal, Tali not loyal, Moridin not loyal.
5) Moridin dead, Samara dead, crew dead (including Chakwas)

[Aurica]

Canon F-Shepard

1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?
Everyone

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only
played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)
 Ashley

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?
All characters recruited, including DLC

4. Who was loyal in ME2?
Everyone

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.
Morinth

_____________________________________________________________________________

Non-Canon M-Shepard

1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?
Everyone

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only
played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)
Kaiden

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?
All characters recruited, including DLC

4. Who was loyal in ME2?
Everyone

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.
Morinth

Modifié par Aurica, 27 novembre 2010 - 01:01 .

[Lumikki]

1. All of them.
2. Kaidan dead as did choose Ashley
3. All of them
4. All of them
5. Morinth dead as did choose Samara

[thompsmt]

First time through ME1: all but Ashley survived. She got nuked.



First time through ME2: Lost Garrus and Jack. Garrus was because I didn't research Jack's amp. And Jack



Since then, I've been able to keep everyone alive through the 'Suicide Mission.' I've never recruited Morinth though.

[Water Dumple]

Over five saves, they've all been mostly similar.


1. All ME1 characters recruited.

2. Ashley died. In one of my saves, Kaiden died.

3. First three saves--All but Kasumi and Zaeed. Last two--All.

4. All characters were loyal.

5. Morinth killed by Samara. First time Thane and Legion died on suicide mission, but I restarted it so the import will probably have no deaths.


Honestly, Morinth is the only character I would kill on purpose, and the game fortunately does that for you unless you choose otherwise.

[Merlin 47]

1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?

- All characters were recruited in ME 1.  I wasn't sure at first if I was able to find everyone.  I was even worried that I might have missed a character, but thankfully, I didn't.

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)

- Kaiden bought the farm, every time.  Wrex is too cool to die and I'm always able to make him step down from shooting me and Ash is a decent soldier.

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?

- I recruited everyone - Garrus, Tali, Jack, Thane, Legion, Mordin, Grunt, Zaeed, Kasumi....everyone.  I didn't skip anyone.  Legion was always the last (sadly) to be collected.

4. Who was loyal in ME2?

- Everyone was loyal.  I made sure that going into that suicide run, everyone had my back.  I made time for my allies and friends and they didn't let me down at that final battle.

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.

- Morinth.  Every time, all the time.

Modifié par Merlin 47, 27 novembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[mopotter]

I also have played many Shepards.  

 1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?
All games everyone was recruited.


2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)
Wrex died once.  Kaidan and Ashley have both died and both lived, even if they are a Love Interest.  I usually save whoever stays with the Nuke.    

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?
Usually everyone.  First game, I forgot where I put Legion so he never became part of the crew.  One game I skipped Samara.

4. Who was loyal in ME2?
Usually most are loyal.  but one game I sided with Jack, one I sided with Miranda. 

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara.
The most I've lost at one time are two.  I've had one game where everyone survived.  I've had Tali, Jack, Miranda, Zaeed and Thane die.

I think I need to keep a list because I don't remember who did what in what game.  

[Zulu_DFA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

You did the math? Oh, shucks, I'm beaten I guess.

[Factors in the noobs... casuals... 60% of people who didn't get the NOLB medal on first playthrough... 10% of people who never bothered with flushing Grunt out of the tank... 10% of people on this forum, who don't have a "perfect" save -- screw them says you...]

All right, keep fooling yourself.

Actually, when nine out of ten people have at least one perfect playthrough, I think you're the one who's fooling himself.  It's not a matter of screwing over the people who don't have a NOLB, it's a matter of NOT screwing over the whopping 90% that do.  Besides, are you seriously going to whine and angst over how you don't get to recruit Garrus again when you're the one that made an active decision to kill him off, thus implying that you didn't want him to return in ME3?  Didn't you want your decisions to have bigger consequences, anyway?

Note that most of the people who didn't get the NOLB achievement on their first run went back and did it again.  And I admit, it really sucks that I don't have data for casual players (and I honestly have no way of getting it without waiting for Bioware to throw out another release), but what I HAVE collected so far is interesting:

So far, no squadmate (apart from Morinth) has an overall survival rate lower than 75% (that number is subject to change, since I haven't factored in the last few submissions yet).  And, according to my data, it's much more common to send Legion to Cerberus than it is to not recruit Grunt.

Gotta admit, though, the overall vs. forumer stats are interesting: forumers only skipped Grunt 3% of the time, while overall he was skippd 10% of the time.  7% isn't a huge difference, mind you, but I'd really like to see detailed, official statistics one of these days.  You know, since forumers tend to be obsessive completionists and thus I am stuck with massive sample bias.

I'll post a more detailed rundown when I have the time (Sunday night, probably).  As of now, I am trapped in dial-up hell and thus even typing up this reply was torture.

I'm all for the consequences for the BIG CHOICES. See my signature. But having Garrus dead in the "suicide mission" is not a choice. It's a consequence. Of sending him in the pipes, or not upgrading ship's guns, or having a bad biotic bubbler... Don't mix Shepard's choices with the metagamed "choices" the real you makes after reading the Ultimate Guide.

As for my metagamed "choices", since you are so interested, I killed off characters for many different reasons. But yeah, with Garrus, you've scored a bull's eye. The ultimate reason why I eventually decided to have him killed was to not have him in ME3 in any capacity, since sure it would include more calibrations, if only in a form of some silly joke. I'm sure ME3 will be cornballish enough even without re-recycled characters. Note that I disposed of Garrus the last, only on my fourth playthrough, and since then I have reversed one decision have another character killed. Go on now with explaining to me that my major malfunction is that I hate ME2 characters on principle.

Also, I very much adore science, but and an attempt like this one to gather data about the general audience on a fan-ridden forum seems rather anti-scientific to me.

Also, I'm officially done with the ME3 squad discussions until ME3 comes out and I'll be able to say either "haha, I told you so" or "all right I was an idiot". However, as of now [one last time here] I am sure it will be "I told you so".

[Killjoy Cutter]

And that way, you can keep pretending you know without being called on it so often.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

Everyone but Ashley and Morinth for me.

[Mallissin]

Everyone survived on my games except the very first.



I lost Thane in the final because I thought he could handle the heat better and might know electronics enough because he gets through security well as an assassin.



Oh well. He was gonna die anyway, right?

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

.

1. Who was recruited in Mass Effect 1, if you played it?

2. Who died in Mass Effect 1?  Wrex?  Kaidan?  Ashley? (If you only played ME2, just give the name of the person you ran into on Horizon.)

3. Who did you recruit in Mass Effect 2?  Any DLC characters?  Did you skip a possible squadmate, like Legion?

4. Who was loyal in ME2?

5. Who died?  Include Morinth/Samara

1. All of them.

2. 4 complete playthroughs. 2 of each Kaiden and Ashley. Wrex never died

3. Everybody including DLC. EDIT Forgot.. I only had Kasumi for one full playthrough. She didnt exist for the others.

4. Everybody, except Zaeed on my first playthrough.

5. Morinth died but no one else.

I tend to be a completionist and have everyone survive/loyal when I can. I couldnt fix Zaeed's loyalty the first time so made sure I had enough Paragon next time I did it.

Modifié par Shinian2, 28 novembre 2010 - 10:59 .