On yet another re-start. Just got to camp after Flemeth rescues me, but before Lothering. I'm chatting up Alistair and he comments that only the Grey Wardens can defeat the Archdemon.
It hits me: were this an open ended game, based on the things I've been told up to this very early point in the game my character would pack up his gear and head for the border.
The Orlesian Border, that is. Because an Archdemon is "a fearsome and immortal creature" and "in 4 Blights 4 times the Grey Wardens slew the Archdemon." My character quickly puts together that this is something 2 people simply cannot do, even with an army. It sounds to him like a Warden must kill the Archdemon, and the odds of 2 guys making it through 20000 darkspawn AND defeating a dragon are about nil. Even with an army, what are the odds those 2 guys are going to make it?
My character also feels like as a rookie who Duncan told nothing. My character could be wrong. But Alistair isn't exactly a veteran Warden, and Alistair doesn't seem to know much about being a Warden himself, so best to head to Orlais and find some veterans who can explain and prepare me to fight a true Blight.
Let Fereldan burn in its civil war like Ser Gilmore told me Wardens sometimes would burn entire villages.
"Grey Wardens do what they must" was burned into my skull by Duncan and Alistair at Highever and Ostagar respectively. I asked Alistair, "So Wardens are knights or heroes?" to which he replied (paraphrase), "Not exactly. Duncan says we will do whatever it takes to stop a Blight. Those can be pretty extreme things."
Lastly, before the Battle of Ostagar Alistair comments when I ask "What if we fail?" that, "Duncan says Fereldan will fall to the Blight and the other nations join forces to defeat it once it tries to spread."
Souds like a plan to me! Lets be part of those "other nations" instead of this lost cause.
I'm headed for the border.
Naturally if I did this there would be no game. But it was a thought.
Head for the Border
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 10:02
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So, make a mod. This is why they gave us the toolset.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 10:06
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David Gaider said Duncan would most likely have done exactly that, had he survived Ostagar (and given the civil war and Loghain's lack of faith in the wardens).
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 10:09
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Duncan: Well - time to hit the ol' dusty trail.CalJones wrote...
David Gaider said Duncan would most likely have done exactly that, had he survived Ostagar (and given the civil war and Loghain's lack of faith in the wardens).
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 10:09
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I couldn't agree more. I think getting help from Orlais should one of the most important things to do. The only mentioning of getting help from Orlais is after the landsmeet when Anora/Alistair allow them into the country.
Sure, getting the dwarves, elves, mages and templars to help is a good thing, too, but seriously not on your own.
Sure, getting the dwarves, elves, mages and templars to help is a good thing, too, but seriously not on your own.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 11:42
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Heh, in my HNF's case, she would've gone to her family's allies to garner support first. If I really had thought about it for my FF, I would've made an AU with that.
Hm, still something to think over.
Hm, still something to think over.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 12:29
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Yes, it's really not clear why Jader is too far away to get to in time, but Orzammar - just down the Imperial Highway from it and in the middle of a succession crisis that requires spelunking the Deep Roads to resolve - is a good idea.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 01:41
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CalJones wrote...
David Gaider said Duncan would most likely have done exactly that, had he survived Ostagar (and given the civil war and Loghain's lack of faith in the wardens).
That's also what my canon character wanted to do, and was constantly considering. She even agreed with Riordan that if Ferelden is too stupid to save itself and not realize how much danger they are in, let it fall and save my armies and resources for countries who actually get the picture.
And it is personally my opinion, as well. However, it would have been pretty damned hard to implement in game.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 02:39
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I never really thought about this, but it makes sense. Then on thinking about it more, I realized that what both my HNs are doing is trying to save their homeland. Ferelden is the only home they've known and they're not going to let if fall if they can help it. My elf - that's another matter - let it burn!
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 03:56
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That does make a certain sense. One of my PCs might have considered it, but most are too tied to their country. And Alistair hated leaving Lothering to perish, let alone the entire country. Good thing for Ferelden!
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 05:00
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It can be argued that, in Lothering, you find out that Loghain set a bounty on surviving Wardens and will be actively hunting them down. Where do you think he'll be expecting them most? At the borders to tring to link with the Orlesians (and seeing how most of the border is mountainous, one can expect Loghain's men to be covering most points of entries).
So it can be argued that going to the Orlesians is too risky. But then again, so does going to search for a myth that even the Chantry dismisses, just to cure one man who isn't that useful. So meh.
I think the most logical thing to do is at least establish some liason with the Orlesians, without necessarily bailing on the country.
So it can be argued that going to the Orlesians is too risky. But then again, so does going to search for a myth that even the Chantry dismisses, just to cure one man who isn't that useful. So meh.
I think the most logical thing to do is at least establish some liason with the Orlesians, without necessarily bailing on the country.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 06:40
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One can get out of the country by boat, too, and find whoever they need to contact. But I'd imagine travel by boat is pretty restricted.
Still, even Loghain's men trying to cover the mountains, there's simply too much area to cover, much like the USMexico border, so escaping would not be that big a problem, really, especially for some origins (Dalish mainly, given their tracking and hunting skills for survival). You also have Morrigan at this point, who would be better able to find safer routes. I think escaping to orlais would be pretty easy in principal.
But in the end, it comes down to the character, and what motives they might have to save or condemn Ferelden. A human noble would be the one most likely to want to remain, to a lesser degree, mages and elves could also have reasons to save Ferelden. Dwarves, almost none, really, since orzammar sits so close to the Orlesian border, it might even be more advantageous to escape to a country who is taking the darkspawn seriously.
I personally would have said "screw Ferelden, let's gather our forces all over Thedas and get ready, since saving a country embroiled in a really stupid civil conflict, despite the clear and present danger, a waste of time and effort.
Still, even Loghain's men trying to cover the mountains, there's simply too much area to cover, much like the USMexico border, so escaping would not be that big a problem, really, especially for some origins (Dalish mainly, given their tracking and hunting skills for survival). You also have Morrigan at this point, who would be better able to find safer routes. I think escaping to orlais would be pretty easy in principal.
But in the end, it comes down to the character, and what motives they might have to save or condemn Ferelden. A human noble would be the one most likely to want to remain, to a lesser degree, mages and elves could also have reasons to save Ferelden. Dwarves, almost none, really, since orzammar sits so close to the Orlesian border, it might even be more advantageous to escape to a country who is taking the darkspawn seriously.
I personally would have said "screw Ferelden, let's gather our forces all over Thedas and get ready, since saving a country embroiled in a really stupid civil conflict, despite the clear and present danger, a waste of time and effort.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 07:21
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Would Morrigan have helped though? The reason she joined the Wardens was for her Dark Ritual and with the Orlesian Wardens help that is no longer necessary.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 07:26
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Ryzaki wrote...
Would Morrigan have helped though? The reason she joined the Wardens was for her Dark Ritual and with the Orlesian Wardens help that is no longer necessary.
But that's exactly it: her whole reason to come with you was to eventually get some Warden baby batter to make demon god child. It doesn't matter who she gets it from, and if you are playing a female Warden, the only person capable of giving it to her at that point is Alistair.
Needless to say, having more options would certainly be reason enough.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 07:51
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Ryzaki wrote...
Would Morrigan have helped though? The reason she joined the Wardens was for her Dark Ritual and with the Orlesian Wardens help that is no longer necessary.
I don't know about that. Morrigan is smart enough to know that if Thedas falls to the blight, she will, too. She has ulterior morives, but that doesn't remove survival from the equation. Whith Morrigan, nothing does.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 08:10
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I couldn't agree more. I think getting help from Orlais should one of the most important things to do. The only mentioning of getting help from Orlais is after the landsmeet when Anora/Alistair allow them into the country.
Sure, getting the dwarves, elves, mages and templars to help is a good thing, too, but seriously not on your own.
Thanks.
Technically, the Orlesian Option was mentioned at least once before the Landsmeet. Just for the sake of a fuller gaming experience I mention it.
During the argument cutscene, Anora does say to Loghain, "Cailan was going to appeal to the Orlesians for help . . ." "NEVER! MARIC AND I DROVE THOSE BASTARDS OUT! I WILL NOT ROLL OUT THE WELCOME WAGON FOR THEM NOW!" was Loghain's response.
So Anora was definitely considering it long before the Landsmeet, but her father was too entrenched and had her cornered.
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Ryzaki wrote...
Would Morrigan have helped though? The reason she joined the Wardens was for her Dark Ritual and with the Orlesian Wardens help that is no longer necessary.
I thought about that. I'd tell her she's free to go since at that point my character figures she's up to something but whatever it is it's not important. I imagine she'd stick around as the others said - to get knocked up and give birth to the Staypuffed Marshmallow Man (her Old God idea gone horribly awry).
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 08:36
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Would have been a pretty short game if you buggered off after hearing about the Archdemon lol 
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Would have been a pretty short game if you buggered off after hearing about the Archdemon lol
Nods. Or a very different game. Perhaps as DA2 might be. I understand Hawke starts in Lothering and buggers off.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 10:20
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Well, seeing as Hawke wasn't even a contender for being a gray warden, it's not too surprising.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 10:29
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For all we know, we'll find out that Duncan wanted to recruit Hawke before he left to go get the real Warden but for whatever reason was unable to do so. In fact, you might just be his second choice.ejoslin wrote...
Well, seeing as Hawke wasn't even a contender for being a gray warden, it's not too surprising.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 11:17
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Sarah1281 wrote...
For all we know, we'll find out that Duncan wanted to recruit Hawke before he left to go get the real Warden but for whatever reason was unable to do so. In fact, you might just be his second choice.ejoslin wrote...
Well, seeing as Hawke wasn't even a contender for being a gray warden, it's not too surprising.
And we'll find out that the archdemon only decided to appear at the end after making sure that Hawke was no longer in Ferelden.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 11:21
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The mystery of why it never showed itself at Ostagar is cleared up at last!KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
For all we know, we'll find out that Duncan wanted to recruit Hawke before he left to go get the real Warden but for whatever reason was unable to do so. In fact, you might just be his second choice.ejoslin wrote...
Well, seeing as Hawke wasn't even a contender for being a gray warden, it's not too surprising.
And we'll find out that the archdemon only decided to appear at the end after making sure that Hawke was no longer in Ferelden.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 11:24
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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Would Morrigan have helped though? The reason she joined the Wardens was for her Dark Ritual and with the Orlesian Wardens help that is no longer necessary.
But that's exactly it: her whole reason to come with you was to eventually get some Warden baby batter to make demon god child. It doesn't matter who she gets it from, and if you are playing a female Warden, the only person capable of giving it to her at that point is Alistair.
Needless to say, having more options would certainly be reason enough.
Yeah but he whole reason she even gets it is because Alistair/PC is newbie grey Wardens and are unwilling to sacrifice themselves/each other.
With the Orlesian Wardens that wouldn't be an issue.
The DR is a ritual not just her having sex with a warden. Any GW she sleeps with would get justifiby suspicious.
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Posté 23 novembre 2010 - 11:25
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errant_knight wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Would Morrigan have helped though? The reason she joined the Wardens was for her Dark Ritual and with the Orlesian Wardens help that is no longer necessary.
I don't know about that. Morrigan is smart enough to know that if Thedas falls to the blight, she will, too. She has ulterior morives, but that doesn't remove survival from the equation. Whith Morrigan, nothing does.
True I could see her heading to Orlais but I can't see her helping. Without the lowered number of Wardens her deal starts looking less and less attractive. And with older Wardens her deal gets even more suspicious than it already is.
