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[Knight Templar_]

So you want a way to end the game a few hours in? Or you want to be able to go there and get turned back?



Because other than that it would be operationally the same as not playing at all.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah but he whole reason she even gets it is because Alistair/PC is newbie grey Wardens and are unwilling to sacrifice themselves/each other.

Not really, not always. male characters can do it for love, or depending on how one roleplays, for friendship. Plus, being newbies has nothing to do with it, either. I'm certain that a number of more experienced Wardens might take the chance. After all, no one tells you about all the "benefits" of being tainted until after the fact. Some Wardens might be quite happy to ditch death.

With the Orlesian Wardens that wouldn't be an issue.

Again, I disagree. Ever read The Calling? believe me, there would be at least one volunteer who felt sexytime with the hawt swamp witch was preferable to total annihilation.

[erilben]

Ryzaki wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Would Morrigan have helped though? The reason she joined the Wardens was for her Dark Ritual and with the Orlesian Wardens help that is no longer necessary.

But that's exactly it: her whole reason to come with you was to eventually get some Warden baby batter to make demon god child. It doesn't matter who she gets it from, and if you are playing a female Warden, the only person capable of giving it to her at that point is Alistair.

Needless to say, having more options would certainly be reason enough.

Yeah but he whole reason she even gets it is because Alistair/PC is newbie grey Wardens and are unwilling to sacrifice themselves/each other.

With the Orlesian Wardens that wouldn't be an issue.

The DR is a ritual not just her having sex with a warden. Any GW she sleeps with would get justifiby suspicious.

If Morrigan really thought she'd have to sleep with Alistair or the male PC, then she is stupid. She's mean to Alistair, and he is the only male Warden when the PC is female. Even if the PC is male, it's easy for him to hate Morrigan, too. If Morrigan was smart, she would butter up both of the Wardens to increase the chances they would agree to the DR.

David Gaider's excuse for Morrigan's behavior is that she actually expects to do the dark ritual with one of the many Orlesian Wardens. She didn't know the archdemon would show so soon and before the Orlesian Wardens could come.

[Sarah1281]

Plus, being newbies has nothing to do with it, either. I'm certain that a number of more experienced Wardens might take the chance. After all, no one tells you about all the "benefits" of being tainted until after the fact. Some Wardens might be quite happy to ditch death.

But we know that they can only be tainted for so long before they can't be used for the ritual. Riordan, for instance, is too far gone to use.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Plus, being newbies has nothing to do with it, either. I'm certain that a number of more experienced Wardens might take the chance. After all, no one tells you about all the "benefits" of being tainted until after the fact. Some Wardens might be quite happy to ditch death.

But we know that they can only be tainted for so long before they can't be used for the ritual. Riordan, for instance, is too far gone to use.

It's unlikely that the Orlesian Wardens will consist solely of old grizzled veterans or people who have been in the order too long. Given that their numbers are higher than in Ferelden, Morrigan will have more to choose from.

[Ryzaki]

It's not just hot sexy times. It's a ritual. I tend to give the male species enough credit to assume they wouldn't be wiling to do some unknown ritual (and if Morrigan gave them details be desperate enough to risk the Old God soul) if they didn't know what the heck it was for.

[Ryzaki]

About the Morrigan is stupid...I never saw the girl as being particularly bright myself. She reminds me of some kids in my class. Can tell you nearly every event in history from A to B but try to have a conversation about anything remotely day to day and you wonder how the hell do they manage.

[Ryzaki]

O_o.



Why can't I edit my posts? This forum is bugging out.



Anyway species should be gender.

[Ryzaki]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

O_o.

Why can't I edit my posts? This forum is bugging out.

Anyway species should be gender.

Now THIS I can appreciate.  Some intelligence.

*isn't sure if that's an insult or compliment. *

[Move Along]

lol I thought this thread would be about crossing the border to Mexico

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Ryzaki wrote...

It's not just hot sexy times. It's a ritual. I tend to give the male species enough credit to assume they wouldn't be wiling to do some unknown ritual (and if Morrigan gave them details be desperate enough to risk the Old God soul) if they didn't know what the heck it was for.

I know it's a ritual. I am also saying there would be Wardens willing to do it.

Not all Wardens joined voluntarily, nor do they find the prospect of total annihilation something they really want to do. So again, I say, finding willing participants from a large pool of Wardens, who by nature are a very diverse group morally, would not be a problem at all for Morrigan.

And while there would be males who find the idea abhorrent, there would be those who would jump at the chance. Not all Wardens are completely dedicated to their cause in such an absolute manner, nor would all see it as a dangerous or immoral action, either.

And some might do it because it sounds fun and kinky.

As far as Morrigan goes, she is anything but stupid. Naieve in a dark way, yes. Ignorant and pretty selfish alot of the time, yes. But stupid? Not close. She is actually quite intelligent and perceptive, and more often than not sees thing at their very core.

[Sarah1281]

Yes, I'm sure there would be plenty of Wardens who wouldn't want to do the US and so if called upon to do it might do the DR instead. OTOH, I'm pretty sure that the Warden-Commander would choose someone a little more dedicated to the Order to do the sacrifice and probably have a backup in case he pulled a Riordan. There wouldn't be much need for random new Warden #4 to do the ritual to save his own life if he was never going to be called upon to die slaying the Archdemon.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Yes, I'm sure there would be plenty of Wardens who wouldn't want to do the US and so if called upon to do it might do the DR instead. OTOH, I'm pretty sure that the Warden-Commander would choose someone a little more dedicated to the Order to do the sacrifice and probably have a backup in case he pulled a Riordan. There wouldn't be much need for random new Warden #4 to do the ritual to save his own life if he was never going to be called upon to die slaying the Archdemon.

 

The ritual is more a backup plan than anything, after all, without metagaming, you don't know Riordan is going to bite the dust before he gets a chance to kill the archdemon. And seeing that the archdemon isn't going to wait while a pecking order is established on who gets the killing blow, in reality, the job would fall to the nearest Warden available, since chaos happens.

Not to mention there's probably a plethora of other reasons a Warden would be happy to do the DR.

[Sarah1281]

The odds are high that any individual Warden might die. This is a much bigger problem if your designated US-er is one of three than if they are one of hundreds (even if only a few dozen make it to the final battle). I would hope that if those 'other reasons' are horny guys wanting to **** a hot girl like Morrigan that they would manage to refrain and not potentially endanger all of Thedas because they can't keep it in their pants.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The odds are high that any individual Warden might die. This is a much bigger problem if your designated US-er is one of three than if they are one of hundreds (even if only a few dozen make it to the final battle). I would hope that if those 'other reasons' are horny guys wanting to **** a hot girl like Morrigan that they would manage to refrain and not potentially endanger all of Thedas because they can't keep it in their pants.

I'm not talking about sex. There are other reasons for the DR, for example, being able to extract the uncorrupted soul of an old god, the possibility of using this tactic in future Blights to kill an AD without someone having to die, scholarly curiosity, ect. Since the Wardens draw their numbers from very diverse backgrounds and races, there are numerous reasons a Warden might have to do the DR beyond mere survival.

[Ryzaki]

I just can't see it personally. The extraction of the AD soul means there's a risk of it being recorrupted and causing a blight all over again. From what I've seen of the Warden's I don't think that's a risk they'd be okay with.

And while Wardens are from diverse backgrounds, etc, etc, there's so many of them that there's bound to be one that's willing to die. (Heck someone might be near their calling and decide to die a hero than go to Orzammar and die in the dark).

And also I got the feeling the only reason Duncan forcibly conscripted the PC was because there was a blight. Otherwise I can see the Wardens only taking people who actually wants to join them especially since the joining is fatal.

Also Morrigan would've given the new Warden no reason to trust her. They don't know her for Adam. And yet you want me to believe they'd trust her with something as powerful as an Archedemon's soul?

As for her intelligence. I said she was booksmart. But when itcomes to things like "one hand washes the other" she has no clue. She doesn't even seemto grasp the basic concept that you should be nice to everyone you meet just in case you might need to use them later.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 novembre 2010 - 06:01 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I just cant trust the DR, far too many variables.



Also Flemeth is still running around out there, and was the one who set this all in motion in the first place. Since no one is willing to tell me what the hell is going on, I wont take part in it.



"I dont wish to tell you", well there is the door honey.

[Corker]

I saw a dev post once upon a time that indicated that their intention was that a GW still had to kill Archie for the DR to work. Otherwise yeah, all your heroing up top Ft Drakon ends up looking a little silly.

But I don't have the post handy and am not about to go hunting it, so... take it with a grain of salt if you like.

[Ryzaki]

^Nah I remember that. Something about the Warden serving as a conduit.

I'm 99% certain it was Gaider.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 novembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Skadi and Sarah,

You both are not assuming that the Warden who delivers the killing blow to Archie has to be the same Warden who performed the Dark Ritual in order for it to work, are you? My understanding is that no matter who slays Archie (even a non-warden) makes no difference. The Old God's soul leaves the dragon and heads straight for Morrigan's uterus.

Both of you are veterans of lore. I'm pretty sure you know this but I'm just checkin. Remember when we joked that Cammen could slay Archie and the ritual ould work?

Oh, yeah I knew that, seeing how I've only played females, and thus, only Alistair or Loghain did the DR. And I've always delivered the killing blow.

The DR can be seen as a contigency plan. The Warden who is doing it might not want any Wardens to die, for whatever reason. There are so many different possible motives for a Warden to do the DR with Morrigan, from selfish to curious to altruistic, ect. My arguement is that Morrigan would have little difficulty finding a candidate amongst a larger pool of Wardens.

Hence, why helping you get to Orlais would be in her benefit, as far as her motives go. And someone already mentioned that at the beginning, when there are only two Wardens left (and especially if one is female, leaving only Alistair) that Morrigan thought that she would be able to find more Wardens to try it on with.

[Sarah1281]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Skadi and Sarah,

You both are not assuming that the Warden who delivers the killing blow to Archie has to be the same Warden who performed the Dark Ritual in order for it to work, are you? My understanding is that no matter who slays Archie (even a non-warden) makes no difference. The Old God's soul leaves the dragon and heads straight for Morrigan's uterus.

Both of you are veterans of lore. I'm pretty sure you know this but I'm just checkin. Remember when we joked that Cammen could slay Archie and the ritual ould work?

Oh, I know. Riordan tells you, however, that the most senior Warden around (presumably the Warden-Commander) decides who slays the Archdemon and I can't really see them sending in the rookies when they could have the more experienced and closer to their Calling Wardens do it. It's one thing for a Warden in love with Alistair to want to do it to save Alistair and him agreeing to it to save her because there's only one person standing in the way of either of them having to die. It's quite another for a new Warden who isn't going to be called upon to slay the Archdemon unless practically the entire available order falls to feel the need to take such a huge risk since their life isn't in any more or less danger regardless of doing the ritual.