79 réponses à ce sujet

[ejoslin]

But in the case where you're attacking the Dalish, you say nothing about threatening Zathrian. You convince the werewolves (if you have a high enough persuade skill -- 3 levels) to kill the Dalish. This is for their revenge, pure and simple. When they ask you why, you tell them because you think they'd be stronger fighters than the Dalish.



Of course, once you bring Zathrian to the werewolves (IF you do), you lose the option to kill the Dalish.

[Ryzaki]

And even with just revenge how is that chaotic stupid? The elves have shown themselves to be weak and disorganized, petty and Zatherin himself completely unwilling to work with the Warden. I meant werewolves. *needs moar sleep*

Even if it's just vengence you do end up with (in my view) a stronger army. So I still fail to see the complete stupidity.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 novembre 2010 - 03:52 .

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

But in the case where you're attacking the Dalish, you say nothing about threatening Zathrian. You convince the werewolves (if you have a high enough persuade skill -- 3 levels) to kill the Dalish. This is for their revenge, pure and simple. When they ask you why, you tell them because you think they'd be stronger fighters than the Dalish.

Of course, once you bring Zathrian to the werewolves (IF you do), you lose the option to kill the Dalish.

That's true of course. 

The problem here is that the game doesn't really take into consideration all the possible reasons one could have for making a choice, so most lines can make it seem like you intend to do something for "x" reason, even if you really intend to do it for another one. Like what KoP said earlier about the wounded soldier in the Korcari Wilds.

This is where imagining your character saying other things can be of help.

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

And even with just revenge how is that chaotic stupid? The elves have shown themselves to be weak and disorganized, petty and Zatherin himself completely unwilling to work with the Warden. I meant werewolves. *needs moar sleep*

Even if it's just vengence you do end up with (in my view) a stronger army. So I still fail to see the complete stupidity.

I never said anything about chaotic stupid.  All I said about morality is that D&D rules don't work for DAO, and I think that also applies for labels like this one.

Anyway, you have no guarantee that the werewolves will fight the blight.  You don't get the lady to agree to that before wiping out the Dalish.  sure, they may be stronger fighters, but there is no treaty they have to honor, and no promises made to support you.  Of course, they DO end up supporting you, but I always thought it was strange that not only do you have to talk them into even killing the Dalish, but that after you do, you don't make them fighting the blight a condition.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 novembre 2010 - 02:15 .

[Ryzaki]

Ah true. I found that to be a bit odd myself.



Sorry I got you mixed up with someone else D:



True you have no guarantee but even with the treaties you have no guarantee they'll help you. (Heck one could say the real reason everyone helps you is because you solve their problems first)