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[Proleric]

I've opened a Wiki Improvement Requests page, so that anyone who wants to suggest improvements (or action them) can do so.

In my experience, the wiki is normally accurate. Since it's an open public document, we've had the benefit of many contributions and corrections, providing a wealth of good information.

I'm grateful to the contributors, not only for the content, but also for their positive spirit and respect for others.

However, forum comments suggest that the wiki could be improved, especially in terms of overall structure and presentation for beginners. There are significant gaps which could be addressed more systematically, such as scripting / configuration for common tasks and the lexicon detail.

Today, we have the exciting possibility of introducing better organisation through an extension of the open self-service principle which we're already using to manage module prefixes, 2DA lines and so on.

I hope that this inclusive approach will draw out the best ideas and contributions from the whole community without duplicating effort.

Modifié par Proleric1, 23 novembre 2010 - 02:55 .

[Proleric]

Perhaps Bioware would like to add the link to the front page of the wiki, which is currently locked down as far as the community is concerned.

[ladydesire]

I'd like to go on record to support Prolerc1 in getting the current wiki fleshed out, rather than have others migrate things to their own wiki.

[Proleric]

In the current climate, my personal take is that we might wait a few weeks for things to settle down before embarking on a structured revamp of the public wiki. By that time, more people will have decided where their effort is likely to bear fruit.

Meanwhile, I will continue to make ad hoc contributions, as I remain firmly committed to the wiki as an open framework which everyone can use.

[Elvhen Veluthil]

What's the problem with the current wiki? Is the front page the only one non-editable from the community (if that is the problem)? Can't Bioware fix whatever the problem is? We know they spare minimal resources to the modding community, but setting some permissions or whatever the problem with the wiki is shouldn't be that much of a hassle.



Going to another wiki, will make things more complicated without reason, and editing a "private" wiki may require following structures, forms and rules that not all will agree with. Not to mention that there is always a small chance that whoever host the new wiki (if that's the case), may decide one day to take it down for whatever reason. The people that are positive to the new wiki have been around for a long time and probably will be for a long time to come, but dragonagecentral example was an important loss to all of us that used it for lore references from the devs.

[ChewyGumball]

We have asked bioware to change permissions among other things. They are unresponsive at the moment due to DA2 or what ever. At no point was a private wiki discussed. There may be guidelines, but nothing too ridiculous or strenuous (use proper grammar for example). The benefits of a new wiki are that we no longer have to rely on bioware to update the wiki software, remove pages, edit important pages, or otherwise modify the resource that SHOULD be the best place for information.

Also, if you have fears that the wiki would be removed, you should also have those fears about the current one. 

Modifié par ChewyGumball, 19 décembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[ladydesire]

A decision as important to the community as whether or not to start another developer wiki, independent of the one on BSN, should not be made without public discussion on all major forum sites (BSN and The Nexus forums) so that feedback on how to procceed can be acquired from all interested parties; this cannot happen when a private group on BSN is the only place any discussion is done.

[DahliaLynn]

I would expect that all who wish to make such decisions have a registered copy of DA:O/ Toolset.
Those with registered copies can join the Social BioWare community site, and are totally free to provide input.

You are more than welcome to post links to the group on all those sites, expanding on exposure as much as you see fit / fair to the community so that all may join the group and share input.

The group is not private, it is public and open to all those who wish to join.  

Edit:

I also want to mention that I am extremely happy and thankful that such a group has finally formed. I appreciate the fact that  talented and toolset savvy people in various areas of expertise are are willing to take time from their lives to initiate an organized effort in making the toolset friendlier, so that others don't have to suffer as I have in my first stages. (And still do on occassion)

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 21 décembre 2010 - 11:20 .

[ladydesire]

What about all the people that have no desire to come to the social site to join a group here; did you miss my comment on modders leaving and going to other sites when the old DA forums closed, because they didn't want to use the social site? What about those that do use the social site and have no interest in joining the group; do their opinions not count?

[DahliaLynn]

I would assume that if they have opinions, why wouldn't they want to join the group? It is free to all.

It is as if you are saying, "I have an opinion, but I don't want to go to the registrar to cast my vote"
Are you speaking of people who won't join "on principle"? People with personal issues on the site?
If it's a principle thing, then I think it's really up to the user to decide what he feels is important to him/her.

I would honestly like to see if there is any opposition to the group effort (which should be appreciated) other than what I see here in this thread.

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 21 décembre 2010 - 12:56 .

[Elvhen Veluthil]

Isn't the current wiki powered by MediaWiki engine? Can't Bioware give permissions to a couple of people from the community to update it and keep it up to date? It's a wiki after all, the community is expected to keep it running.

[ladydesire]

I remember reading in history class about a time when tests were required of certain people before they could be allowed to vote; isn't having to join a group to participate in a discussion and have your voice be heard on a specific topic of interest to you exactly the same thing? I've actually seen groups on BSN that don't require you to join and still allow you to post; I know the group in question can be read by anyone registered here, but can anyone on the site post to it?