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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Given the politics of Thedas, a noble rogue makes perfect sense.

Noble rogues are sexy

Yes, they are, and they also have the ability to Father epic God Children with Epic beards.:wub:

I discovered to my surprise when doing my first playthrough. I originally dreaded being a noble, but it was the only way I could play human and rogue. Yet I found it to be my second favorite playthrough. It really felt rather dangerous and sexy, and of course, gave me plenty of room to play a deviant!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Glaucon wrote...

If anything this discussion demonstrates how hard it is to create a reasonable character that fits in with Ferelden history without actually first being educated in that history. Many of the replies here are based on a wealth of experience that a new player simply doesn't have. I've clearly tried to apply my experience with NWN to DA:O and listening to you guys it simply won't work.

You are correct. The D&D nmorality grid, while fun and interesting in D&D games, does not really work in the DA universe, because everything there is pretty grey and ambiguous. No real proven dieties exist, magic is far less powerful and less common, history itself is ambiguous and open to interpretation, there are no absolutes.

Except that Duncan and his Beard are indescribably awesome.

[Ferretinabun]

Glaucon wrote...

If anything this discussion demonstrates how hard it is to create a reasonable character that fits in with Ferelden history without actually first being educated in that history. Many of the replies here are based on a wealth of experience that a new player simply doesn't have. I've clearly tried to apply my experience with NWN to DA:O and listening to you guys it simply won't work.

Yeah, my first two characters were pretty bland and characterless. But then I suppose that's inevitable. The truth is your choices in the game are pretty finite, and a large part of the RP aspect is imposed by the player. The more you understand the world your characters live in, the more you can impose on them. I've made the same decision with several characters but for different reasons. Am I really playing the game differently?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Glaucon wrote...
Back to D&D terms... a Bard is any non-lawful so I don't agree that she would have to be chaotic in anyway.  I'm going to try and drop the D&D mindset.  It may be difficult considering that I've been playing the NWN series for nearly a decade.

In DA, Bards are an order of spies from Orlais that specialize in intrigue and manipulation of their targets, mostly nobles. They are part of a big nobility based cloak and dagger game that is the pasttime of Orlesian rich people. It is not like a D&D bard, which is a performer who combines performing art and magic into a single school.

DA bards live for stirring up ****, stoking the embers of conspiracy, and playing people off on one another.

I've been playing varipus D&D games since I was young, and my last major RPG was NWN2 and MOTB. I actually welcomed the switch to something far less morally frozen, and far more realistic, and found it actually alot easier to RP a complex character and end up with a complex set of consequences.

Though I still sometimes think in D&D morality terms, when it comes to generalizations on some things.

[Zjarcal]

Ferretinabun wrote...
I've made the same decision with several characters but for different reasons. Am I really playing the game differently?

Indeed.

Sometimes you can come to make the same decision with two different characters for vastly different reasonings and if you are truly roleplaying, it sure as hell FEELS different.

For example, in Awakening when it came to the Architect, one of my characters sided with him because the idea of stopping the blights meant that she could finally be rid of the pesky work of dealing with the darkspawn. She didn't care if this meant sacrificing as many grey wardens as needed.

With another character, she did it mostly for Velanna (who was her good friend), because she wanted to save her sister and she figured that killing the Architect would mean that her sister was lost. She felt horrible however for going through with that choice.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 24 novembre 2010 - 01:11 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Glaucon wrote...

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong; I see the potential in DA:O it's just that it's going to take some time to adjust to the Lore. The rule set is a major simplification imo, not that that is a negative statement I can see how it will be liberating.

Some of it is simplification, in terms of combat and basic game mechanics. But in the RP sense, as well as the lore sense, DA is way more complicated.

For example, my stereotypically "good" characters actually made a number of things worse. Where as the more "evil" or chaotic ones ended up with better epilogues, and were far more fun to play.

DAO basically makes following a strict regimine of "good" or "evil" pretty impossible, and when RPing your game,  makes you actually have to think about alot of choices.

[Giggles_Manically]

Yah pretty much that.



Everd thought it was awesome.

I lamented how I just flushed what little remained of my soul at that point down the toilet.

I wasent even half done at that point.

[Giggles_Manically]

I would except my hands are still covered in blood from playing Everd.



You know those scenes in films where a serial killer smirks and you get a chill, thats what I felt when playing Everd.

[asaiasai]

Dude i have the same problem i start out evil as hell, and somehomw by the time the game is over i have turned into mother Theresa and i have no idea what happened or where. What is so cool about DAO as opposed to ME2 is that it is feasable to play the game and deal with each situation as you would choose and not have the choices form a penalty that limits any choice later. Bastard, bastard, nice guy, bastard, nice guy, nice guy, nice guy or any combination, the game allows you to play it anyway you choose with out a borked morality system getting in the way of how the player wants to play. You can be a total bastard and 5 minutes later your carrying an elderly ladies groceries home from the bus stop happily listening to her stories. Just enjoy the freedom it is truly a rare thing in a video game because it takes more effort (kudos to Bioware) for this effort which makes DAO truly epic. If ME2 had more DAO influences it would have been a better game.



Asai

[Beaner28]

I wouldn't say there is a way to be truly evil in Origins but the Grey Warden motto of victory by "any means necessary" allows for some very amoral pragmatic decisions that can be made as long as they were made with the honest intention of stopping a Blight.

Modifié par Beaner28, 24 novembre 2010 - 07:45 .

[Ferretinabun]

Glaucon wrote...

Can I ask people for a favour? The Rouge isn't being uploaded into my profile (I'd like to post a pic) and I've just read that updating is prioritised by who's profile has been checked in the last 24 hours so if everyone could

<---- spamm my image that would be appreciated. Thanks.

Apparently I 'don't have permission to view your profile'.

...?

[Xts]

The gore doesn't bother me, pixeled paint as I see it but yet I cannot do bad, like you are/were saying you had going on with you. For some reason I cannot play "Darkspawn Chronicles" and I cannot kill off innocents. I can however feel comfortable enough to parlay with the wicked in the game and trick them/lie to them and get achievements for relationships that are not considered hetrosexual. I also dont' mind getting extra gold through intimidation or persuasion. Pretty much ripping the bad guys off, but they are "bad guys" so it's easier for me. I've always been this way and I figure if it doesn't come naturally for me, then it's not for me.. If at some time I actually do it, then so be it but I'm under no pressure to venture down that avenue.. I'm on my 2nd time around in the game.. I wanted to be something besides rogue but being stealthed and sneaking around is kinda fun for me so I'm notoriously a rogue.. I do hope to play my male again though.. It's another one of those "not so much me" things but it's easier to do than kill innocents or let a town fall.. I feel the need to "do right".. Though I say some smart alleck (spelling?) comments in the game sometimes intentionally to see the reaction.



To be honest, I thought I was the only one that had any form of resistance when it came to playing the "evil side". I can waiver from good to neutral but can't seem to go below that.. Guess there's no chance I'll be doing evil to an extreme but I don't really mind. There's so many aspects to the game already.. I like the different origin stories you can get by just playing a different character. But ya never know, some day I may say "I'm ticked right now and I really don't mind" but then again.. I'll probably do kinda like you did, sulk a bit... Ponder it the rest of the day and think "why did I do that?!" lol



Matter of fact sometimes the others words get on my nerves so I usually keep Alistair, Leliana and Wynne in my group.. Alistair is seemingly a good guy, same with Wynne and Leliana. Matter of fact me considering Blood Magic upset Wynne yesterday.. I was just trying to see if I could trick them into giving the proof against Loghain AND me releasing the slaves in the Alienage. Guess the option wasn't there and Wynne wasn't happy with me discussing it.. lol Well, it worked before with a demon!



On one hand though, I like intimidating them sometimes.. It's funny how they say "Woah.. I can see you can handle your own.. I'll be going now!" lol But again, it's usually a brute I say that to. I guess a tiger don't change it's stripes, atleast in my case. Best to ya in your goals..