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The easiest way to play someone who is evil or does the "bad" descions is quite easy.

Create an Warden who has sociopath who smiles really nice, but always is looking for what helps him/her the most.

My "evil" PT was Everd the dark elf mage who:
Sold out Jowan in expectation of a reward.
Murdered anyone who had something he wanted, and that he could get away with.
Sided with the Werewolves because the Dalish insulted him, but not before nobbing Gheyna.
Despoiled the Urn, killed Leliana (already slept with her and Isabella), then killed the Dragon, and all the cultists and Genetivi since he did not want anyone to know about the Urn or what he did.
Kept the anvil and killed Shale because he wanted more Golems who did not run around calling him it, and didnt really care that Branka killed her house.
Used the blood ritual since he didnt care about the city elves, even though he came from an alienage.
Also he killed Zevran after talking to him, but did the Crow's quest line anyway.

Romanced Morrigan, but ran her off before the DR, and let Loghain die in the end, after getting Alistair executed. Went on to become the Chancellor for Anora and plans to rule her with blood magic.
Pretty much he looked for whatever made him stronger, and what kept him safe. I was only left with: Sten, Oghren, Loghain, and Dog in the end.

In Awakening he did the bad choices and in the end sided with the Architect since he wanted more firepower against the mother, plus he burned Amaranthine since he likes fire and really just wanted to keep his fort in one piece since he was using it to build his power.
Also in Witch Hunt he stabbed Morrigan for her running off and lying to him, even though she had his child. The ring he sold along time ago, so yah.

Glad I dont have to play like that again, since Everd scared me to be honest.


Giggles . . . did you and I play a duplicate evil character?  Because I did ALL those things just as you described.

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Killing Leliana just feels like the biggest Dick move to me. Espically after playing LS and seeing what she had to go through just to survive, only to be violently murdered by the warden.

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The gore doesn't bother me, pixeled paint as I see it but yet I cannot do bad, like you are/were saying you had going on with you. For some reason I cannot play "Darkspawn Chronicles" and I cannot kill off innocents. I can however feel comfortable enough to parlay with the wicked in the game and trick them/lie to them and get achievements for relationships that are not considered hetrosexual. I also dont' mind getting extra gold through intimidation or persuasion. Pretty much ripping the bad guys off, but they are "bad guys" so it's easier for me. I've always been this way and I figure if it doesn't come naturally for me, then it's not for me.. If at some time I actually do it, then so be it but I'm under no pressure to venture down that avenue.. I'm on my 2nd time around in the game.. I wanted to be something besides rogue but being stealthed and sneaking around is kinda fun for me so I'm notoriously a rogue.. I do hope to play my male again though.. It's another one of those "not so much me" things but it's easier to do than kill innocents or let a town fall.. I feel the need to "do right".. Though I say some smart alleck (spelling?) comments in the game sometimes intentionally to see the reaction.

To be honest, I thought I was the only one that had any form of resistance when it came to playing the "evil side". I can waiver from good to neutral but can't seem to go below that.. Guess there's no chance I'll be doing evil to an extreme but I don't really mind. There's so many aspects to the game already.. I like the different origin stories you can get by just playing a different character. But ya never know, some day I may say "I'm ticked right now and I really don't mind" but then again.. I'll probably do kinda like you did, sulk a bit... Ponder it the rest of the day and think "why did I do that?!" lol

Matter of fact sometimes the others words get on my nerves so I usually keep Alistair, Leliana and Wynne in my group.. Alistair is seemingly a good guy, same with Wynne and Leliana. Matter of fact me considering Blood Magic upset Wynne yesterday.. I was just trying to see if I could trick them into giving the proof against Loghain AND me releasing the slaves in the Alienage. Guess the option wasn't there and Wynne wasn't happy with me discussing it.. lol Well, it worked before with a demon!

On one hand though, I like intimidating them sometimes.. It's funny how they say "Woah.. I can see you can handle your own.. I'll be going now!" lol But again, it's usually a brute I say that to. I guess a tiger don't change it's stripes, atleast in my case. Best to ya in your goals.. ;)


That was remarkably clear. Thanks.  There is that argument as to a piece of medias ability to invoke emotional, theoretical or other positions.  Worthy and, no-doubt, subject to some study.  But should I torture myself. No.  But I don't deny that interacting especially with a game ruffles the psyche.   

*Edit*   If it feels wrong then it just feels wrong.  

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The Water God wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

The easiest way to play someone who is evil or does the "bad" descions is quite easy.

Create an Warden who has sociopath who smiles really nice, but always is looking for what helps him/her the most.

My "evil" PT was Everd the dark elf mage who:
Sold out Jowan in expectation of a reward.
Murdered anyone who had something he wanted, and that he could get away with.
Sided with the Werewolves because the Dalish insulted him, but not before nobbing Gheyna.
Despoiled the Urn, killed Leliana (already slept with her and Isabella), then killed the Dragon, and all the cultists and Genetivi since he did not want anyone to know about the Urn or what he did.
Kept the anvil and killed Shale because he wanted more Golems who did not run around calling him it, and didnt really care that Branka killed her house.
Used the blood ritual since he didnt care about the city elves, even though he came from an alienage.
Also he killed Zevran after talking to him, but did the Crow's quest line anyway.

Romanced Morrigan, but ran her off before the DR, and let Loghain die in the end, after getting Alistair executed. Went on to become the Chancellor for Anora and plans to rule her with blood magic.
Pretty much he looked for whatever made him stronger, and what kept him safe. I was only left with: Sten, Oghren, Loghain, and Dog in the end.

In Awakening he did the bad choices and in the end sided with the Architect since he wanted more firepower against the mother, plus he burned Amaranthine since he likes fire and really just wanted to keep his fort in one piece since he was using it to build his power.
Also in Witch Hunt he stabbed Morrigan for her running off and lying to him, even though she had his child. The ring he sold along time ago, so yah.

Glad I dont have to play like that again, since Everd scared me to be honest.


Giggles . . . did you and I play a duplicate evil character?  Because I did ALL those things just as you described.

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Killing Leliana just feels like the biggest Dick move to me. Espically after playing LS and seeing what she had to go through just to survive, only to be violently murdered by the warden.

Its worse because Sten got a Two-Handed killing blow on her.
Yah I pretty much went outside and pondered how I could have become such a monster.

Then went back to murder knife Genetivi. 

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Hanz54321 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

The easiest way to play someone who is evil or does the "bad" descions is quite easy.

Create an Warden who has sociopath who smiles really nice, but always is looking for what helps him/her the most.

My "evil" PT was Everd the dark elf mage who:
Sold out Jowan in expectation of a reward.
Murdered anyone who had something he wanted, and that he could get away with.
Sided with the Werewolves because the Dalish insulted him, but not before nobbing Gheyna.
Despoiled the Urn, killed Leliana (already slept with her and Isabella), then killed the Dragon, and all the cultists and Genetivi since he did not want anyone to know about the Urn or what he did.
Kept the anvil and killed Shale because he wanted more Golems who did not run around calling him it, and didnt really care that Branka killed her house.
Used the blood ritual since he didnt care about the city elves, even though he came from an alienage.
Also he killed Zevran after talking to him, but did the Crow's quest line anyway.

Romanced Morrigan, but ran her off before the DR, and let Loghain die in the end, after getting Alistair executed. Went on to become the Chancellor for Anora and plans to rule her with blood magic.
Pretty much he looked for whatever made him stronger, and what kept him safe. I was only left with: Sten, Oghren, Loghain, and Dog in the end.

In Awakening he did the bad choices and in the end sided with the Architect since he wanted more firepower against the mother, plus he burned Amaranthine since he likes fire and really just wanted to keep his fort in one piece since he was using it to build his power.
Also in Witch Hunt he stabbed Morrigan for her running off and lying to him, even though she had his child. The ring he sold along time ago, so yah.

Glad I dont have to play like that again, since Everd scared me to be honest.


Giggles . . . did you and I play a duplicate evil character?  Because I did ALL those things just as you described.

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Killing Leliana just feels like the biggest Dick move to me. Espically after playing LS and seeing what she had to go through just to survive, only to be violently murdered by the warden.

Its worse because Sten got a Two-Handed killing blow on her.
Yah I pretty much went outside and pondered how I could have become such a monster.

Then went back to murder knife Genetivi. 

Lol when I tried to do it my rouge ended up decaptiating Lelianas head off Posted Image

God i'm glad I didn't save that game.

Poor Leli though.  Shes now just a headless body lying in some lost ruins. Hows that for an eternity in an unmarked grave?

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I am so glad I never have to see the evil choices again.



Killing Zevran was hard because well I like him.

Killing Shale hurt so much at the anvil.

Killing Wynne during the mages part was I will admit enjoyable.

Killing Leliana made me curl up and die on the inside.

Sending Alistair off to be executed made me feel like a bastard.

Making Morrigan see that the man she thought loved her, run her off without concern hurt.

Then stabbing her in Witch Hunt left me ill almost.



In short Everd let me see all the more harsh choices, and killed my soul in the process.

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I am so glad I never have to see the evil choices again.

Killing Zevran was hard because well I like him.
Killing Shale hurt so much at the anvil.
Killing Wynne during the mages part was I will admit enjoyable.
Killing Leliana made me curl up and die on the inside.
Sending Alistair off to be executed made me feel like a bastard.
Making Morrigan see that the man she thought loved her, run her off without concern hurt.
Then stabbing her in Witch Hunt left me ill almost.

In short Everd let me see all the more harsh choices, and killed my soul in the process.


Well, I plan to do it all again someday.  Muuuuwahhhhaaaaaaa!

What suprised me most was with only Dog, Sten, Oghren, Loghain, and myself there were enough to take Denerim from the Blight.

Oh - and part of my decision not to do the DR was my evil toon was looking for a way to kill Loghain in the commotion of the battle anyway.

But I was nice to Dog.  Like Tony Soprano - whacking people to serve my needs was easy, but my character loved animals.

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It's...hard to be bad in DAO. I've tried several times to go 'evil.' Sure there are plenty of nasty things to do during the game. I just find it hard to actually do all of them. I've tried the CE and HN, which seems to be the most common rp choices for these types of runs (though mage gets a lot of nods.) Each time something has happened during gameplay to veer back to at least middle ground.



I'm currently going HN male rogue and he has made many more of the nasty decisions but even he has fallen in with Leli and her willingness to meet in the middle (hardened) has him giving some as well. That's ok. I've thoroughly enjoyed all of the characters that lasted to mid-level or more. I may have to go with another mage (would be my third) to be a vile character.



In the past DnD settings, most of my pcs have been chaotic evil. I think for me that additional origins would be needed for this type of run or at least some additional options. Like the option to be the dwarven ruler or a human commoner.

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It's...hard to be bad in DAO. I've tried several times to go 'evil.' Sure there are plenty of nasty things to do during the game. I just find it hard to actually do all of them. I've tried the CE and HN, which seems to be the most common rp choices for these types of runs (though mage gets a lot of nods.) Each time something has happened during gameplay to veer back to at least middle ground.

I'm currently going HN male rogue and he has made many more of the nasty decisions but even he has fallen in with Leli and her willingness to meet in the middle (hardened) has him giving some as well. That's ok. I've thoroughly enjoyed all of the characters that lasted to mid-level or more. I may have to go with another mage (would be my third) to be a vile character.

In the past DnD settings, most of my pcs have been chaotic evil. I think for me that additional origins would be needed for this type of run or at least some additional options. Like the option to be the dwarven ruler or a human commoner.


The evil Mage was always appealing and quite natural to think of for me but I still can't play them very well and I'm still not comfortable when I play that way.  Necromancers, Arcane Tricksters and Warlocks were the obvious archetypes that would come to mind when I would contemplate being an evil character.  

I do think that there are a substantial number of players, that (if they were honest with themselves) take a moral second glance when they play a game in those ways.  That isn't to suggest anything other than that.  I suppose the only thing we're considering is how to overcome that sort of moral auto-check in order to fuller experience the fantasy realm's that we project in to?

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So anyway. The profile spamming worked and she has been uploaded. Susie has now been replaced by Honour -- I like the contradiction. Unfortunately her screen-shots have not, so that will have to wait. I'll start updating her blog in the manner of it being 'her' blog and I'll see if I can't do a better job this time.

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ugh why do people always put tatoos on their human characters. Sure it makes since for Drawf commoners and Dalish elves, but humans?

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ugh why do people always put tatoos on their human characters. Sure it makes since for Drawf commoners and Dalish elves, but humans?


I think it makes sense for Honour.  She is a fiercely independent young lady and uses her tattoos as a form of rebellion.  Having rejected so many of the expected social norms and her refusal to submit to her hereditary role in the social hierarchy.  A bit passé but :mellow:.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

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Hanz54321 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

The easiest way to play someone who is evil or does the "bad" descions is quite easy.

Create an Warden who has sociopath who smiles really nice, but always is looking for what helps him/her the most.

My "evil" PT was Everd the dark elf mage who:
Sold out Jowan in expectation of a reward.
Murdered anyone who had something he wanted, and that he could get away with.
Sided with the Werewolves because the Dalish insulted him, but not before nobbing Gheyna.
Despoiled the Urn, killed Leliana (already slept with her and Isabella), then killed the Dragon, and all the cultists and Genetivi since he did not want anyone to know about the Urn or what he did.
Kept the anvil and killed Shale because he wanted more Golems who did not run around calling him it, and didnt really care that Branka killed her house.
Used the blood ritual since he didnt care about the city elves, even though he came from an alienage.
Also he killed Zevran after talking to him, but did the Crow's quest line anyway.

Romanced Morrigan, but ran her off before the DR, and let Loghain die in the end, after getting Alistair executed. Went on to become the Chancellor for Anora and plans to rule her with blood magic.
Pretty much he looked for whatever made him stronger, and what kept him safe. I was only left with: Sten, Oghren, Loghain, and Dog in the end.

In Awakening he did the bad choices and in the end sided with the Architect since he wanted more firepower against the mother, plus he burned Amaranthine since he likes fire and really just wanted to keep his fort in one piece since he was using it to build his power.
Also in Witch Hunt he stabbed Morrigan for her running off and lying to him, even though she had his child. The ring he sold along time ago, so yah.

Glad I dont have to play like that again, since Everd scared me to be honest.


Giggles . . . did you and I play a duplicate evil character?  Because I did ALL those things just as you described.

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Killing Leliana just feels like the biggest Dick move to me. Espically after playing LS and seeing what she had to go through just to survive, only to be violently murdered by the warden.

Its worse because Sten got a Two-Handed killing blow on her.
Yah I pretty much went outside and pondered how I could have become such a monster.

Then went back to murder knife Genetivi. 



Ha!

I pretty much have made the same choices in my uber evil playthrough. Except I have more living companions, those who will end up totally screwed up because of me in the long run is fun, but Wynne, Alistair, Leliana definitely dead, everyone else evicted or destroyed in some way. I do hate my evil character, in contrast, Morrigan seems like a Chantry sister.

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The Water God wrote...

ugh why do people always put tatoos on their human characters. Sure it makes since for Drawf commoners and Dalish elves, but humans?


And why not? 

Humans can't have tattoos? Just because it's not a traditional thing like it is for the Dalish (or Dwarf commoners), doesn't mean they can't have them. 

You may not like them, but there's nothing wrong with people wanting to put tattoos on humans.

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It tokk me forever to make a truely evil Warden, but to me evil is a horndog. ever since I finished my Renegade Shepard I like being badass but not evil.

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Haven't got too far, but I'm doing a third playthrough as an **** mage. Trying to pick most of the evil/negative options, but as it's been mentioned, it's hard to stick entirely to one path. So far I've left Redcliffe to burn and that's about it.



I did love the bit in Lothering where you can intimidate the revered mother in hope of getting Sten and Alistair just loses his mind. Morrigan's response is priceless, something like "And now we threaten priests... fun!"

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The Hardest thing is getting into the right "mindset".



I cant see myself doing many things so I create a PC that is based around a mindset that lets me play "evil".



Although you can do far more horrible things in Planescape Torment and Kotor 2.

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I find it very hard to play certain types of evil - I can't just be a jerk for the sake of it. But I can be ruthless. I am quite happy to play a Renegade Shepard, for instance - taking certain tough actions for the greater good - but I had a really hard time playing a darkside Revan in KotOR due to the fact it was more about doing jerk things for fun.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

The Hardest thing is getting into the right "mindset".

I cant see myself doing many things so I create a PC that is based around a mindset that lets me play "evil".

Although you can do far more horrible things in Planescape Torment and Kotor 2.


The mind set idea is a good one but like you say it's hard to maintain.  Honour decided to 'save' Redcliffe but only because she needed information -to avenge Dad-  and she figured that the blight and Howe's deeds are connected.  I'm not sure if she's justified in that or whether it's more to do with it being my second run and fitting what 'I' know now into her psyche?

I don't appreciate violence just for the sake of it and games that use gratuitous violence as a hook don't really do it for me. 

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I find it very hard to play certain types of evil - I can't just be a jerk for the sake of it. But I can be ruthless. I am quite happy to play a Renegade Shepard, for instance - taking certain tough actions for the greater good - but I had a really hard time playing a darkside Revan in KotOR due to the fact it was more about doing jerk things for fun.


Yeah, I don't mind being ruthless if it's necessary, Honour is definitely ruthless in a: "Obstruct my intentions and you die." way.  Honour allowed Jowan to sacrifice Conor's mother on those grounds.

The Elves nearly got wiped out it in the Bracillian forest just because they rubbed her up the wrong way.  I don't think I'll be going to extremes though, as already I could have let Redcliffe burn and slaughtered the Elves but I'm not sure how that effects the available XP?

Alistair is continuously disaproving -- tough!  But I'd like to get Sten more involved but he's really quite difficult to engage with.  I'm going to be keeping Morrigan on side but firmly in her place: there's only one femme fatal in this group.

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Haven't got too far, but I'm doing a third playthrough as an **** mage. Trying to pick most of the evil/negative options, but as it's been mentioned, it's hard to stick entirely to one path. So far I've left Redcliffe to burn and that's about it.

I did love the bit in Lothering where you can intimidate the revered mother in hope of getting Sten and Alistair just loses his mind. Morrigan's response is priceless, something like "And now we threaten priests... fun!"


Lol - I threatened the priest too, especially as Honour has rejected The Maker, Morrigan is witty there and Alistair's mini-fit gave me a tickle.  Alistair is the brunt of all Honour's frustrations in this run; he hates me already.  Although I still gave him his mother's pendant?  The thought just crossed my mind that I won't be getting any of the stat bonuses from some of the NPCs if I continue on this path.

Oh and Honour told Liliana where to get off at the first opportunity - she came to Honour begging to be allowed to follow but was told to go away - or words to that effect. 

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I think the only "evil" thing I can find myself to do is the blood magic sacrifice for Islode, mainly because I've been doing the circle option all the time just to please Alistair.

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