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[Death of Seph]

I would like to see how the unsc fares against an indoctrinated master chief

[Lord Zeuss]

*Edit: Redundant*

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 24 novembre 2010 - 06:10 .

[Lord Zeuss]

Zurcior wrote...

^^^ That is also a valid point. As far as I'm concerned, the power of indoctrination is worth 100,000 spartans. Knowledge is power!

Then why don't the Reapers just simply indoctrinate Shepard if it's so easy?

[Praetor Knight]

Hmm... well, after the tears in the space-time continuum, that would have produced some amount of exotic matter, have subsided and assuming that the atomic matter from both realities could then be able to interact with each other without mutually destroying the other on contact...

I would think that the Flood gets the edge over the Reapers, but only slightly since the wildcard in the fight is indoctrination.

Either way, they would seem to be the last major space-faring factions standing.



Re: Space combat, the Haloverse has that slipspace travel so those ships could randomly travel farther then ME ships, but ME ships have more weapons and layers of protections, so I guess that the faction that would win out would depend on the rules of engagement and if the combat would be total war or not.

[LeVaughnX]

The Reapers would engage a super advanced stealth system - show up first to destroy the covienants (sp). The battle would be over in a matter of seconds considering how advanced the Mass Effect universe is compaired to the Halo one. The Humans would rejoice at the random destruction - then just get assraped because of how insignificant their ships are (the Halo ships are compairable to the Titanic - big bulky mother ****ers that can't take too much damage).



The Flood is unique - and if you think about it I believe the Reapers would attempt to use them and the Sentinals (sp). One is an unstoppable infection, one is an advanced A.I. but not nearly as such as the Reapers. If the flood did get out of control (Not like it would since theres no real LIVING Reaper...cough...) Harbinger or someone else would just blow the ****ers into oblivion with some super advanced bomb.

[Lord Zeuss]

A Gravemind intelligence is at least the equivalent of a Reaper collective; I think we'd see more than one Flood-infected Reaper ship take to the skies, and after that who knows.



Indoctrination is obviously not a magic fix-all for the Reapers, that Shepard has been such a nuisance is proof of that. I think the Flood would be immune, and regardless, all of the indoctrination we've seen has been on small, tightly controlled populations. Saren & followers *aboard* Sovereign, Cerberus science *aboard* derelict Reaper, captured salarians; all required long periods of constant exposure. Indoctrination isn't Dial-A-Minion the Reapers could just summarily indoctrinate the whole galaxy and destroy it at their leisure.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

annihilator27 wrote...

ME3 is going to end with Shepard and crew escaping from the Reaper homeworld before it blows up in the Mako, Im calling it.

How did they get the Reaper homeworld to fit in the Mako?

I mean... that's a BIG Mako.

[PiEman]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Thinking somebody else could beat the Reapers is "confidence born of ignorance". You cannot even grasp the nature of their existence. They are infinite. You touch their mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. They are beyond your comprehension. The cycle has repeated itself more times than you can fathom. Organic civilizations rise, evolve, advance, and at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished. You cannot escape. Organic life is nothing more than a genetic mutation. An accident. They are infinite, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before them, you and all organic life is nothing. (paraphrasing Sovereign)

Shepard's indirectly killed two, and directly killed a larva with his bare hands.

Anyway, I think most of that is just Sovereign gloating. They become less and less mysterious and infinitely powerful the more we learn about them. There was clearly a weapon once that had been powerful enough to not only cripple a Reaper, but the pierce straight through the largest section of the hull, and leave a hull the size of a small starship. See for yourself: http://images2.wikia...Dead_Reaper.png

Really, the title of the thread is too vague. The Haloverse is composed of several factions, all of vastly differing levels of technological achievement, and only one of them uses the kinetic weapons favored by Mass Effect.

Forerunners would probably do the best. We don't know much about the exact details of their technology, but we can infer that it's basically Covenant tech on steroids, times one hundred. The closest thing we have to an accurate demonstration of how their "conventional" weapons might work are the Sentinels, who fire a particle bean accelerator weapon, or possibly just a directed energy weapon. They weren't defeated by the Flood because they were outnumbered, they were defeated because they were betrayed by the AI they built to help defeat them.

The Covenant I put in second. Their technology isn't really superior to that which is used by most Citadel species in Mass Effect, it's just differently developed. What they lack in quality, however, they more than make up for in quantity. In First Strike, about 500 of their ships were destroyed near the end, by making a larger space station (or whatever the Unyielding Hierophant was) explode and drawing them close to it. The point is, the Covenant hardly seemed to notice the loss. I'm not sure what kind of effect their plasma weapons would have on kinetic barriers, but my guess is that they'd either go right through them (plasma technically isn't solid) or quickly bring them down because they weren't built to withstand that type of attack.

The Flood can assimilate other species, which is why I place them at third. They're nothing compared to the Reapers alone, but we saw what they did to the Forerunners after quickly capturing a large portion of their fleet. They probably wouldn't fair too well against non-organics, but with a combination of both Human and Covenant starships, they could probably put up a fight. When in large enough quantities, and with competent leadership, they have shown a capacity for very effective tactics. Most likely, depending on their composition, they would essentially send the weakest ships in first to block attacks, while keeping the more powerful vessels in their pocket to be used more strategically.

Humans in the Haloverse are last. Their technology is actually significantly less advanced, as far as weapons go, compared to those of Mass Effect, and they have no shields. While they have shown a capacity for extreme determination not to die (there's a reason the Human/Covenant War lasted more than 25 years) they also do have the capacity for innovation when given Covenant technology. They were able to reverse artificial gravity, better slipspace technology, and  eventually personal energy shields all from captured weapons and ships. Then, of course, there's the NOVA bomb, which itself, if it were able to be produced in larger numbers (only one was able to be made from the sheer amount of work and material necessary) would be able to take down multiple Reapers at a time, if not at least one.

Basically, my point is, Grunt is duck, your argument is invalid.

Modifié par PiEman, 24 novembre 2010 - 06:46 .

[Praetor Knight]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

ME3 is going to end with Shepard and crew escaping from the Reaper homeworld before it blows up in the Mako, Im calling it.

How did they get the Reaper homeworld to fit in the Mako?

I mean... that's a BIG Mako.

A great example of where a comma, or lack thereof, makes all the difference, but still really, really funny to think about.

[Archereon]

Gleym wrote...

Forerunner Halos can wipe out all life with the press of a button. Reapers are biomechanical, not pure machinery, so they would be wiped out too. Forerunners kick back and relax after an easy victory. Even I know this, and I don't even LIKE the Halo games.

Space Marines can also beat Reapers thanks to the awesome power that is the Exterminatus. Also Necrons.

I'm not sure if whatever the hell composes the organic part of the Reapers even count.  Or if they're even 100% organic. 

Don't even bring 40k into this, everything in the universe is absurdley powerful.

And in terms of Reapers vs Flood...

Indoctrination.  It works on everything that's alive, and I imagine it'd even work on Gravemind.

[Lord Zeuss]

Archereon wrote...

Gleym wrote...

Forerunner Halos can wipe out all life with the press of a button. Reapers are biomechanical, not pure machinery, so they would be wiped out too. Forerunners kick back and relax after an easy victory. Even I know this, and I don't even LIKE the Halo games.

Space Marines can also beat Reapers thanks to the awesome power that is the Exterminatus. Also Necrons.

I'm not sure if whatever the hell composes the organic part of the Reapers even count.  Or if they're even 100% organic. 

Don't even bring 40k into this, everything in the universe is absurdley powerful.

And in terms of Reapers vs Flood...

Indoctrination.  It works on everything that's alive, and I imagine it'd even work on Gravemind.

And yet it has failed to work on Shepard.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

I can see slipspace technology giving the Haloverse an advantage. Ripping holes in space-time tends to not go well for the Reapers. Especially if the UNSC decides to pull a "Jorge" on Harbinger.

[Undertone]

I think it's more interesting to compare the Halo races with the Mass Effect races rather then Reapers vs everyone else.

Turians vs. Elites - I would probably speculate that the Elites would win this one, they are much more stronger physically then the Turians. In terms of fighting they have almost the same values - discipline and following orders no matter what the odds. The Elites might have a problem with their honor and being prone to underestimate the opponent, while Turians are efficient and rational but otherwise I see the Elites being the winner.

Krogan vs. Brutes - I think the Krogan would overwhelm the Brutes easily. We don't know much about the birth rate of Brutes but nothing indicates they have an edge over the Krogan. Despite using Covenant technology Brutes largely use their own more primitive technology and as such would quite possibly lose in terms of that. Also some of the Krogan have limited biotic ability. In terms of physical strength the brutes seem more dexterous and agile then the Krogan but not necessarily stronger. I also think the Krogan would be more intelligent when it comes to battlefield tactics then the Brutes.

Salarians vs. Jackals - That's a tough one. On the battlefield Jackals would likely win. However Salarians are known for their knowledge and ingenuity. I can potentially see the development of a virus or other biological weapon to target the Jackals.

Alliance vs. UNSC - That's a tough one. Technologically the Alliance seem to possess better weapons. UNSC wins in terms of slipspace travel. The Alliance soldiers in general are better with their kinetic barrier and weapons then the general UNSC troops but the Spartans could definitely tip the balance on the ground. We don't see much vechicles on the ground from the Alliance but the Mako is much more agile then the UNSC tank or Warhog (not sure how it's spelled).

There are other parallels that could be made but it's interesting how you can contrast the species from ME and Halo.

Perhaps Asari vs. Prophet race?

Modifié par Undertone, 24 novembre 2010 - 08:02 .

[Annihilator27]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

ME3 is going to end with Shepard and crew escaping from the Reaper homeworld before it blows up in the Mako, Im calling it.

How did they get the Reaper homeworld to fit in the Mako?

I mean... that's a BIG Mako.

A great example of where a comma, or lack thereof, makes all the difference, but still really, really funny to think about.

Im assuming i screwed up the grammer lol.  Shepard and the crew are  going to use the Mako to get to the Normandy so they can escape the destruction of the Reaper homeworld. Reminiscent of the Chief and Arby using the warthog to get to the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn lol.

[Yojimbo_Ltd]

The covenant drew a stalmate with humanity because of the covenant civil war, introduction of the flood, and the Master Cheif (Being at the right place at the right time).

[CommanderSheperd117]

Ahem, let's take this piece by piece, with the two most similar species or characters clashing.

Master Chief vs. Commander Shepard:

By far MC would win close up, but Shepard has superior long range and guns. However, if Shepard is a vanguard or adapt, he could simply charge or throw chief, and win long range and close up.

Arbiter vs. Saren:

Saren would simply gun him down via hoverboard. Arbiter would never be able to slice him with his swords when he's flying.

Krogan vs. Brutes

As Undertone said earlier, the Krogan have far better weaponry and are stronger, but Brutes are more disciplined and agile with slightly better armor.

Salarians vs. Jackals

If Kirrahe could withstand hoards of Geth coming after him, he could hold the line against a bunch of pistol-wielding salamanders.

Turians vs. Elites:

The elites are fewer in overall number, but it would take roughly 5 turians to combat one elite, so use your better judgement.

Forerunners vs. Reapers

Obviously if the Reapers number in the hundreds(at least 295 according to ME wiki), the forerunners would get their asses beat but they would win by a little. If the Reapers numbered in the thousands, it would be a slaughter.

Council vs. Prophets

The prophets would yell blasphemy while the Councillors make air quotes, but then again, the turian has military training(required for turians) and the asari could use biotics.

[Legion 2.5]

Not a whole because the master chief would activate the rings and kill them all since they are sentient

[Zurcior]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Gleym wrote...

Forerunner Halos can wipe out all life with the press of a button. Reapers are biomechanical, not pure machinery, so they would be wiped out too. Forerunners kick back and relax after an easy victory. Even I know this, and I don't even LIKE the Halo games.

Space Marines can also beat Reapers thanks to the awesome power that is the Exterminatus. Also Necrons.

I'm not sure if whatever the hell composes the organic part of the Reapers even count.  Or if they're even 100% organic. 

Don't even bring 40k into this, everything in the universe is absurdley powerful.

And in terms of Reapers vs Flood...

Indoctrination.  It works on everything that's alive, and I imagine it'd even work on Gravemind.

And yet it has failed to work on Shepard.

 It never failed. As far as we know, they haven't even tried to indoctrinate Shepard. Read the Codex on indoctrination again. Halo-verse is just as vunerable as any organic is the ME-verse. Don't try to dismiss it because you can't explain a way for the Halo-verse to counter it.

[Zurcior]

Legion 2.5 wrote...

Not a whole because the master chief would activate the rings and kill them all since they are sentient

 Not to mention he'll kill himself along with everybody he has fought to protect. Oh, and the Geth would survive. Along with the security mechs, but who cares about them?

[Commissar Gash]

Ahem, let's take this piece by piece, with the two most similar species or characters clashing.


Master Chief vs. Commander Shepard:
By far MC would win close up, but Shepard has superior long range and
guns. However, if Shepard is a vanguard or adapt, he could simply charge
or throw chief, and win long range and close up.
You forgot few things, first the Spartan Laser, it would blow a hole straight to Shepard, his shields are ignored. The Sniper Rifle's power would be pretty equal to the Widow's, especially since you can fire 4 shots without reloading. The Rocket Launcher does fire 102mm rockets and they pack a more serious punch then those tiny missiles from the missile launcher. For the rest Shep's weapons are indeed superior, on paper Shep would win, but if they really fought each other (Soldier Shep since he's the default one) it would be really about who has more luck (which one of them has reality bending luck again?) and where they fight, anyway Shep and MC would just team up with each other and go kick some alien ass [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


Arbiter vs. Saren:
Saren would simply gun him down via hoverboard. Arbiter would never be able to slice him with his swords when he's flying.
b]Whywould Thel use his sword to fight a hovering enemy? He's an experiancedSangheilli warrior, not a stoned Brute. Thel would just pull out a Needler[/b], those pink needles fly so slow that they would ignore kinetic barriers and dodging them isn't easy since they follow you. Even if one Needle hits you you are in trouble, those explosions are actually pretty nasty, even from a single needle.

Krogan vs. Brutes
As Undertone said earlier, the Krogan have far better weaponry and are
stronger, but Brutes are more disciplined and agile with slightly better
armor.

I'm not so sure about the whole "Krogans are stronger then Brutes" thing, upclose a Brute has more chance to win, unless he sees a banana. Berserking Brutes tend to jump to you and using the speed they gained
they hit you, a krogan just runs up to you, slowly. Brute Chieftains would be smashing everything with their gravity hammers, a a Krogan would never survive a direct hit from a gravity hammer. Normal Krogans[/b<Brutes<Wrex and other krogan that use their brain.

Salarians vs. Jackals
IfKirrahe could withstand hoards of Geth coming after him, he could hold the line against a bunch of pistol-wielding salamanders.
The problem with those pistol wielding salamaders (srsly? Salamanders? I would rather call the birds) is that not only they have their shields, those pistols are much stronger then the games make them to be. A normal Plasma Pistol shot can blow off a human head with ease, they also use Needlers which ignore kinetic barriers and one needle would be enough to finish off a salarian, it wouldn't be nice to see. Plus they are also Jackal snipers with their superior accuracy.

Turians vs. Elites:
The elites are fewer in overall number, but it would take roughly 5 turians to combat one elite, so use your better judgement.

How did you come with an idea that they are more turians then Sangheilli? There's no data that would confirm that. Elites can beat Spartans, a turian wouldn't be a problem, especially since Elites have better
weaponry.

Forerunners vs. Reapers
Obviously if the Reapers number in the hundreds(at least 295 according to ME wiki), the forerunners would get their asses beat but they would win by a little. If the Reapers numbered in the thousands, it would be a slaughter.
Lolwut? Dude, even the Covenant could destroy the Reapers Forerunners would be stomping. Their ships have superior shielding and superior by Halo standards, not "I can whitstand a 38 kiloton hit, this is so awsum" ME standards. Forerunners use directed energy weapons and sadly energy weapons ignore kinetic barriers. Forerunners could simply jump to wherever the Reapers are hiding and blast them into tiny pieces before Harby can say "THIS HURTS YOU". And Forerunners also have the Onyx Sentinels, screw your thousands, here are trillions of little frakkers that can combine with each otehr to make themself stronger, 30-40 combined Onyx Sentinels are enough to gut a Covenant ship and Forerunners could build thousands of Sentinel factories that make one Sentinel per 4 seconds each. Of course if the Reapers make ba mistake and come close to a star Forerunners will just make it go nova, it was one of their cleansing tactics in the Forerunner-Flood War.

Council vs. Prophets
The prophets would yell blasphemy while the Councillors make air quotes, but then again, the turian has military training(required for turians) and the asari could use biotics.
[b]What is the point of this battle? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie] Anyway since Prophets are weak the Council would win, unless they behave like in the game and dimiss any kind of danger, then Propehts would just run them over with their Hover Chairs

Re: Space combat, the Haloverse has that slipspace travel so those ships could randomly travel farther then ME ships, but ME ships have more weapons and layers of protections, so I guess that the faction that would win out would depend on the rules of engagement and if the combat would be total war or not.

ActuallyHalo ship weapons are more powerful then ME ship weapons and the Covenant has more protection layers and better shielding & armor. And their Pulse Lasers (used as AA turrets or anti-UNSC Frigate weapons) would show ME why it is a smart decision to have heavily armored ships. Plus UNSC and the Covenant both have more ships and much bigger ships (biggest UNSC ship= UNSC Supercarrier 3-4km long with its 30m of armor
those 38 kilotons won't have any effect on it, biggest Covenant ship=Covenant Super Carrier 27km long, would be stompin everything on its way)

Zurcior wrote...

It never failed. As far as we know, they haven't even tried to indoctrinate Shepard. Read the Codex on indoctrination again. Halo-verse is just as vunerable as any organic is the ME-verse. Don't try to dismiss it because you can't explain a way for the Halo-verse to counter it.

We don't even know enough about indoctrination to truly use it as a argument, for example how long doe it take? Is the time different depending on the species? What is the maximu effective range? We only know it will eventrually take you over, but the Reapers would probably be dead then, Covenant and UNSC would be hunting on them the entire time.

Modifié par gashgfjaskgfkagh, 24 novembre 2010 - 09:58 .

[Khayness]

Is this a VS thread?

[Gleym]

I swear, I can't help but laugh at anyone who claims "Indoctrination!!" is an advantage to the Reapers. Protip: Indoctrination is SLOW, not instantaneous. Every single thing that's ever been shown to be indoctrinated has done so through constant and incessant exposure to a Reaper's indoctrination field over the course of several DAYS to MONTHS, even, in order to brainwash a simple group of salarians. Wanna know what that is? Useless on a battlefield, that's what it is.

[Commissar Gash]

Gleym wrote...

I swear, I can't help but laugh at anyone
who claims "Indoctrination!!" is an advantage to the Reapers. Protip:
Indoctrination is SLOW, not instantaneous. Every single thing that's
ever been shown to be indoctrinated has done so through constant and
incessant exposure to a Reaper's indoctrination field over the course of
several DAYS to MONTHS, even, in order to brainwash a simple group of
salarians. Wanna know what that is? Useless on a battlefield, that's
what it is.

I am already laughing at people not knowing anything about Halo and still claiming ME would win.
Especially when your enemy is one shotting you.... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Khayness wrote...

Is this a VS thread?

Were they allowed or not? I kind of forgot...

Modifié par gashgfjaskgfkagh, 24 novembre 2010 - 10:03 .

[Gleym]

Seriously, it's ludicrous. It's just yet another case of rabid fandom gone wrong, pretty much. I mean, like I said, I'm not even a fan of the Halo series (FPS games make me woozy), but even I have basic knowledge of its weapons and functionality, and the threat level of its enemies. A lot of the times, I've noticed, most Mass Effect fans (especially Mass Effect 2 fans) are like Final Fantasy 7 fans: Completely delusional, convinced that the game is faultless and perfect and that anyone who says otherwise is a dirty liar worthy of a heretic's death - oh, and "my favorite character beats this character because I SAID so!" in bucketloads. Heck, most of the ME-favoring reasons I'm hearing so far (keyword: MOST, anyone who actually made an intelligent argument is thus excluded from this) remind me of a FF7 fantard shrieking on and on about how Sephiroth is the ultimate villain and nobody can beat Cloud Strife.

[Praetor Knight]

CommanderSheperd117 wrote...

Council vs. Prophets
The prophets would yell blasphemy while the Councillors make air quotes, but then again, the turian has military training(required for turians) and the asari could use biotics.

I would love to see these two forces duke it out in a war of words and airquotes, that would be so funny to see the back and forth.

Turian Councilor: I don't think there is any "evidence" [air quotes] to support the existence of Prophets.

Prophet of Regret: Blasphemy! Our Great Journey has lead us here, and it requires sacrifice!

Salarian Councilor: Sacrifices are outlawed in Citadel Space, but I'd like to know more about this Great Journey?

Prophet of Mercy: You are unworthy of our presence. We will cleanse this place for our salvation and satisfaction!

Asari Councilor: We allow all individuals to freely choose and practice their beliefs. There really is no need to shout.

Prophet of Truth: Why doubt the Prophets? You delay the inevitable. At least the Demon is not here...