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[wookieeassassin]

Ok, so Saren and the Geth use the Conduit to get inside the Citadel.

However, the Council had blockaded all the mass relays to Citadel space. Its clear that Sovereign and the Geth fleet did not use the Conduit, so that means they must have gone through the blockade, right?

Also, wasn't the Normandy on Ilos when they went through? How did they get back to fifth fleet?

Also, where was fifth fleet before the attack and who contacted them to get them in range?

[dizzy dj]

I always thought that once Saren had landed on Ilos that Sovereign would then go the the citadel to distract everyone while Saren activated the Citadel Relay.

As for how they got through the blockades, I can't really speculate how the blockade was set up, but by judging how well they attacked the citadel fleet I reckon that they simply overpowered their way through. Sovereign showed that it didn't even get damaged when colliding with frigates.

As for the Normandy I guess that Joker took it away from Ilos once he dropped off the Mako, and then got stuck with the 5th fleet once the relay network was shut down.

Lastly the fifth fleet were likely at Acturus station (with Hackett) and then began moving once they heard that geth were attacking. Again, I guess that then Joker got in contact while they were moving.

[wookieeassassin]

It just doesn't seem like there was any indication that the Geth fleet or Sovereign was attacking. Wouldn't at least a ship or two signal the main part of the Citadel fleet that they were breaking through the blockade so they would know they were coming? It seems like they were totally caught off guard.

[dizzy dj]

Yeah I agree with that. But I guess it happened to make it pretty dramatic. If someone did send a message that the mother of all geth fleets was heading their way then they would have taken some action. I just put it down to the Councils belief that they were untouchable in the Citadel, but did not count on the citadel wards being unable to close at the time of the attack, which led to them being evacuated onto the Destiny Ascension.

[Zulu_DFA]

wookieeassassin wrote...

Ok, so Saren and the Geth use the Conduit to get inside the Citadel.

However, the Council had blockaded all the mass relays to Citadel space. Its clear that Sovereign and the Geth fleet did not use the Conduit, so that means they must have gone through the blockade, right?

Also, wasn't the Normandy on Ilos when they went through? How did they get back to fifth fleet?

Also, where was fifth fleet before the attack and who contacted them to get them in range?

Guess is that travelling through the Conduit wasn't instanteneous. I mean, the big relays teleport you to the destination point with a negligible "time drift". The Conduit was a small relay. Maybe it wasn't powerful enough and though to Saren & Shepard it seemed like an instant, while to the rest of the Galaxy it was a month. Basically similar to the time dilation phenomenon.

So the Normandy had plenty of time to go to the Arcturus station and warn the 5th Fleet. This way the 5th Fleet was on alert already, when the attack started. Sovereign knew about this effect beforehand and could coordinate the timing of the attack with Saren's strike force.

[Chuvvy]

Big guns.

[Phaedon]

Blockade ? We have dismissed that claim.



According to the wiki, recon frigates are positioned in the front like, in order to detect the enemy as soon as they are in range. However, blockades are still a joke. All the geth and Sovereign needed to do is go FTL and return to normal speed right in front of the Citadel. That's why accurate FTL plotters are important.

[Zaxares]

There are a LOT of mass relays out there in the galaxy, most of which probably haven't even been discovered by the Citadel races yet. The Citadel itself is the central hub of the relay network, so it stands to reason that Sovereign probably just took the geth fleet to a previously undiscovered relay, and then travelled from there to the Citadel, bypassing the blockaded relays entirely.

[Theoristitis]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Guess is that travelling through the Conduit wasn't instanteneous. I mean, the big relays teleport you to the destination point with a negligible "time drift". The Conduit was a small relay. Maybe it wasn't powerful enough and though to Saren & Shepard it seemed like an instant, while to the rest of the Galaxy it was a month. Basically similar to the time dilation phenomenon.

So the Normandy had plenty of time to go to the Arcturus station and warn the 5th Fleet. This way the 5th Fleet was on alert already, when the attack started. Sovereign knew about this effect beforehand and could coordinate the timing of the attack with Saren's strike force.

Agreed on the "time drift", although it probably wasn't more than a few extra minutes to an hour (the Citadel attack starts before Shepard goes through, and as far as we are shown Sovereign doesn't really stop moving the whole time). Furthermore, Shepard has to run halfway up Citadel Tower (which is pretty tall, given that Sovereign is something like 2km long), fighting geth along the way, then deal with Saren, which gives the 5th Fleet even more time to gather around their relay.

[Mangalores]

Theoristitis wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Guess is that travelling through the Conduit wasn't instanteneous. I mean, the big relays teleport you to the destination point with a negligible "time drift". The Conduit was a small relay. Maybe it wasn't powerful enough and though to Saren & Shepard it seemed like an instant, while to the rest of the Galaxy it was a month. Basically similar to the time dilation phenomenon.

So the Normandy had plenty of time to go to the Arcturus station and warn the 5th Fleet. This way the 5th Fleet was on alert already, when the attack started. Sovereign knew about this effect beforehand and could coordinate the timing of the attack with Saren's strike force.

Agreed on the "time drift", although it probably wasn't more than a few extra minutes to an hour (the Citadel attack starts before Shepard goes through, and as far as we are shown Sovereign doesn't really stop moving the whole time). Furthermore, Shepard has to run halfway up Citadel Tower (which is pretty tall, given that Sovereign is something like 2km long), fighting geth along the way, then deal with Saren, which gives the 5th Fleet even more time to gather around their relay.

It's still all Hollywood idea of how military operations work. Theories about future logistics and speeds in preparing fleets for action, how did Joker convince the 5th fleet to do anything given they stole the ship and weren't acting on anyone's orders or had authority codes to support the authenticity of their findings? The bureaucracy in verifying his story alone would have bogged them down in real life quite a bit as would deciding wether it warrants a human fleet jumping into the heart of Citadel space and possibly making an ass of themselves.

The pacing was good from a story point of view though.

[Diana Kingston]

Wasn't Admiral Hackett on Shepard's side when she stole the Normandy, though? I thought the Fifth Fleet had been on standby since Virmire and they were just waiting for confirmation on Sovereign's location before launching the attack...