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[Raistlin Maj]

Ok, in many tough battles, my guys gets killed and when they come back, they are riddled with injuries like Cut Jugular, bleeding lung, Blindness and so on.   I am finding that i can't carry enough injury kits to heal them every time.   I usually just have 3-4 kits at a time.    I buy them and I can make them, i have the ability.   but i almost rarely have the necessary ingredients at all time.    I am always missing sometihng.    How do i get around this problem.    and you know you can't go to camp all the time.   some quest areas, won't let you.

[Zy-El]

Not enough injury kits? Don't get knocked out.

Plan your battle strategy better. Don't just run into a room and get mobbed. Try to weaken your enemy before you have to engage them in close quarters. I don't know the makeup of your party or your tactics. It's always best to use mages and traps to soften up your enemy from range. Are you using rogues with stealth to scout ahead and prepare for the battle?

Is there any particular area that's giving you problems?

I play on Nightmare difficulty and maybe have only one or two instances after a few hours of play that I require an injury kit (I only carry the lesser injury kits since I can usually make it back to camp before incurring another injury).

[Zjarcal]

I don't use injury kits since I always make sure that no party members ever fall in battle (it kills immersion for me to watch them "resurrect").



But a viable alternative is to have a spirit healer with you and cleansing aura. That will get rid of any injuries your party members have.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Word of advice on Cleansing aura, it will not do a thing to the mage casting it. Their injuries remain.

Otherwise, advice above works perfectly. Also make sure your gear is up to date. tier 1-2 items really don't cut it anymore after level 5-6.

[caladorne]

Definitely check your companion tactics. In my early DAO days, I found that all my....trips to camp was more than a little damaging to immerison! I you do not have a mage healing (Wynne and Morrigan can work), you can at least set a tactic for 'Use least health poultice' at less than 50 health to really help. This presumes that you can make your own hp pots though which Morrigan can easily do for you from the outset.



My biggest issue was aggro early on because I needed to tweak my 'tanks' tactics. Big armor is good. Self-Activate Mode-Any-threaten is better. And adding a similar taunt tactic when your mages/rogues are being attacked by melee is better still.

[Janni-in-VA]

"I don't use injury kits since I always make sure that no party members ever fall in battle (it kills immersion for me to watch them "resurrect")." Important note: According to the devs, dead in dead in DA. Your companions have been knocked unconscious, not killed.

There is a mod which will add certain important potion ingredients to Bodhan's inventory. You can find it at www.dragonage.nexus.com. Search for "merchant". Remember, too, that lesser injury kits are just fine for single injuries. I rarely use a regular one. Other than that, yes, the key is not getting knocked out during the fight. Make sure your people are wearing the best armor you can beg, buy or steal. You should also set the following tactic for every member of your party: Self: Health <50%; Use Health Poultice, least powerful. I move that tactic up to the top of the list. (Left click on the number, and drag to the top of the list.) If you're super low on injury kits, just use them for injuries which actually affect the way your party fights. It isn't going to hurt a mage to have a wrenched limb which affects attack or a fighter to have a head injury which affects cunning.

Modifié par Janni-in-VA, 26 novembre 2010 - 12:00 .

[Raistlin Maj]

WOW, you guys must be awsome tacticians. because i always have 1-3 of my guys die, in any medium tough battle or very tough battles like Werewolf or dead spirit mages kill me. My party is Mage-arcane worrier, Rouge, Alistair, and Dog. or i add Morrigan for addtional magic. Like the Tree monsters are tough, i get killed everytime. yes yes i use Flame throw but it only does so much damage in Nightmare difficulty.

[Arthur Cousland]

If you are having trouble running out of injury kits, try playing on a difficulty lower than nightmare. Finish the game once on easy or normal, then consider going up. On future playthroughs, you'll have a better idea of what's coming and how to prepare. If you are having trouble with the sylvans, you are probably going to Nature of the Beast way too early. Try going there after Broken Circle and/or Arl of Redcliffe.



I'd suggest doing Broken Circle first to pick up Wynne and have her be your healer. She'll come with heal, regeneration and group heal, which are the standard healing spells. Unless you use a respec mod for Morrigan, it will be a while until she can do more than just cast heal.



How is your tank built? I'd put 2 strength and 1 dexterity into their stats until they have 38, and then focus on dexterity for a high defense tank build. With the best massive armor as well, they will be tough to take down. Then, just make sure they have shield wall and threaten up at all times and make frequent use of taunt.



I had the same struggles with the game early on as most people probably did, but now I usually end the game with 200+ health poultices, and my healer mage is usually more than enough healing for me. Also, try reloading when someone dies instead of just using an injury kit, to help understand where your party went wrong and do better the next time. In future playthroughs, it won't be too tough going through the whole game with few to no injuries because you'll know what's ahead and how to prepare. Eventually you'll start thinking that the game is too easy, even on nightmare.

[Raistlin Maj]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

If you are having trouble running out of injury kits, try playing on a difficulty lower than nightmare. Finish the game once on easy or normal, then consider going up. On future playthroughs, you'll have a better idea of what's coming and how to prepare. If you are having trouble with the sylvans, you are probably going to Nature of the Beast way too early. Try going there after Broken Circle and/or Arl of Redcliffe.

I'd suggest doing Broken Circle first to pick up Wynne and have her be your healer. She'll come with heal, regeneration and group heal, which are the standard healing spells. Unless you use a respec mod for Morrigan, it will be a while until she can do more than just cast heal.

How is your tank built? I'd put 2 strength and 1 dexterity into their stats until they have 38, and then focus on dexterity for a high defense tank build. With the best massive armor as well, they will be tough to take down. Then, just make sure they have shield wall and threaten up at all times and make frequent use of taunt.

I had the same struggles with the game early on as most people probably did, but now I usually end the game with 200+ health poultices, and my healer mage is usually more than enough healing for me. Also, try reloading when someone dies instead of just using an injury kit, to help understand where your party went wrong and do better the next time. In future playthroughs, it won't be too tough going through the whole game with few to no injuries because you'll know what's ahead and how to prepare. Eventually you'll start thinking that the game is too easy, even on nightmare.

You mean Wynn can heal Injuries too ??  I don't know any heal spell that heals Injuries ??  which spell is that ?

[termokanden]

Cleansing Aura. It was already mentioned in this thread.

[soteria]

One thing I do to save on injury kits is to not use them until I need them. If I have a warrior with a penalty to magic, willpower, and nature resistance, do I care? Not really. Only use lesser injury kits if you need to get rid of an important injury (like dexterity for a rogue). They get rid of the most recent injury. Otherwise I'll let them pile up and use an injury kit to remove three injuries. Or, just go to camp, which heals all injuries on everyone. Don't worry about these people who never get injuries... we can't all be as awesome as them.

If you're having trouble with a particular fight, you could try the link in my signature. It may help.

[Janni-in-VA]

I must add my recommendation of Soteria's wonderful videos. I've found her advice in the forum to be spot on also. She's saved my butt more than once, did she but know it.



And yes, make free use of the reload button. I quick save (F5) a lot and tend to hit reload (F9) if I lose more than one party member, unless the baddie is just about dead anyway.

[soteria]

I must add my recommendation of Soteria's wonderful videos. I've found her advice in the forum to be spot on also. She's saved my butt more than once, did she but know it.

. He does now.

[Arthur Cousland]

Cleansing Aura is a spirit healer spell (tier 4). If you don't like Wynne, you could always have Morrigan become a spirit healer at lv 14 or use a re-spec mod. If your warden is a mage, they could also fill the spirit healer role and leave Wynne+Morrigan both at camp.

[Raistlin Maj]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Cleansing Aura is a spirit healer spell (tier 4). If you don't like Wynne, you could always have Morrigan become a spirit healer at lv 14 or use a re-spec mod. If your warden is a mage, they could also fill the spirit healer role and leave Wynne+Morrigan both at camp.

Agree,  cleansing aura is so good,  it is almost unfair.

[x-president]

LOL, the first time I played I really had no idea about the injuries.  For some reason I didn't pay attention to it.  You should have seen the massive list of injuries that built up on certain characters.  I forget how many but I think some had 2 columns.



But yea Cleansing Aura and save injury kits for mage or have two mages with Cleansing Aura.  Either way the best method is prevention.  Just stay on top of everyones health you will end up never using the injury kits.

[PatT2]

Also, do you use the pause feature to get each party member to do something in a battle? Do you use choke points? Those trees...carry firebombs. I usually give nearly every character one level in poisons so they can use them and toss a bomb. As a mage character, I'd make sure that I could create those injury packs. Just buy your ingredients in stacks of 99 at a time so you don't have to make so many trips. And buy them at the cheapest vendors to save yourself money.



Unless they are pulled from stacks wierdly (which does happen), 1 deep mushroom takes up the same inventory space as 99.



Varathorn in the forest has the least expensive poison ingredients.

The bartender in the pub in Denerim has almost the cheapest flasks... the cheapest is the wine merchant in the Dwarven city...

The bartender in Denerim also has the least expensive concentrator, etc. for making potions.



Then you should have enough materials to make it through almost any of the story missions except the deep roads, where I usually resupply before I get all the way.



And if you're getting killed 3 times in every fight, I'd turn the difficulty down until you can stand up through most fights. I usually see maybe 5 injuries for an entire game. I don't often play on insanity though. But not on easy either because that gets too easy and boring (esp. with the armor and weapons you get from dlc.)



Tactics (both programmed and your own during game play) are crucial. Don't storm in and just shoot. If there's a blood mage where you're charging in, you're not going to survive. You have to take out those who cause the most damage.



You might want to consider tweaking the party you roll with. Perhaps you need more of a certain skill or have too much of another? How is your party at crowd control? Do you have anyone with good ranged skills? Do each party members skills complement the others?



Just ideas.

[naledgeborn]

Just plan things out better. If you know you're underleveled in an area try to use quick kills to your advantage.

An Example

I one area in particular Redcliffe 2nd floor you tend to get swarmed and out numbered by undead even with a 4 person party. They also have enthropic spells which cripples your party's effectiveness. Best thing to do in a situation like that is to shatter them. Use Morrigan's Cone of Cold on 3-4 corpses. Use Alistair's/PC's Overpower on 1, Sten's Might Blow on another, and Leliana's Below the Belt on yet another. Triple shatter, and considerably drops the enemy's numbers. The possibilities for spell combos to work to your advantage is what makes gameplay awesome no matter the difficulty.

[Zy-El]

Rogue with Stealth to scout ahead is probably most under-used tactic. Hold your party back, use your Rogue with Stealth to see what's in the other room. Use your Mage to drop an Inferno into the room followed by an Earthquake. The enemy will be burning and stumbling and burning some more. They'll be down to half health by the time they reach your party. Keep your party outside of the room and pick off anything that manages to wander out through the flames. Works even better with a Grease spell.

[Janni-in-VA]

soteria wrote...

I must add my recommendation of Soteria's wonderful videos. I've found her advice in the forum to be spot on also. She's saved my butt more than once, did she but know it.

. He does now.

Whoops!  "He," not "she" -- I was going by that -ia suffix on your username.  Sorry! *blushing*