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[Wolfy2449]

I really liked morinth but its a little difficult to see if see is good or bad and just tries to use you cause of her character design.

I completely justify her actions since its obviously stupid to choose between a luxuries full jail or death...
And how samara raised her as a normal mother but with no love or how she can never stay with another person for long.

Question, do you think that she believes(not knows) what she says about shepard surviving with her or its simply a trick to kill him and become more powerful ****?

Modifié par Wolfy2449, 24 novembre 2010 - 10:33 .

[Xilizhra]

Most people here will say that it's just a trick. Personally, I don't think she really knows the answer to that question; she sort of hopes that Shepard will survive, but will get over it if she doesn't.

[Googlesaurus]

Wolfy2449 wrote...

I really liked morinth but its a little difficult to see if see is good or bad and just tries to use you cause of her character design.

I completely justify her actions since its obviously stupid to choose between a luxuries full jail or death...
And how samara raised her as a normal mother but with no love or how she can never stay with another person for long.

Question, do you think that she believes(not knows) what she says about shepard surviving with her or its simply a trick to kill him and become more powerful ****?

How do you justify the deaths of hundreds of people, deaths that simply served a biological craving and were performed without remorse?

She's evil to the core.  

[Zulu_DFA]

Morinth is good, because she loathes Samara's "uniform" and prefers standard Asari commando outfit without cleavages and high heels.

She also plays chess.

She also says "This is going to be fun!"

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 24 novembre 2010 - 10:38 .

[Xilizhra]

She also says "This is going to be fun!"

But... anyone who suggests that anything in ME2 is fun is either delusional or extremely evil, yes?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Bad.



She manipulates, deceives, and kills people for a sexual thrill. Not for survival, not for a cause, not for anything that might give it even a sliver of offset. Just to get off on it.

[Redem0]

I must getting a whole village to worship you fanactically, give you living sacrifice and later using them as mere shield for your escape pretty evil

[SimonTheFrog]

BUT, what about free will? It's her nature. It's in her genes. That what she is! My cats bring home half dead mice and slowly kill them in hours if i don't intervene. And they just ate, too. This is also just for fun, it seems. They are not hungry, really, otherwise they would eat them. They enjoy the hunt, the killing. But i can't blame them for doing it, because that's who they are. It's not their choice.

Likewise Morinth is not a normal person with a bad habit she could get rid of if she just would chose so (there are theories that "free will" doesn't really exist in humans either and hence our system of judging and punish delinquents is kinda weird, but that should be another discussion). Morinth just acts according to her nature. It's neither good nor bad, it just is.



Now, as we probably can all agree, her victims did nothing to deserve their fate. Therefore we would all agree that they needed being protected from Morinth in some way. But i'd rather compare it to a protection you would install against fire, or hurricanes. Its not because those phenomenons are "evil" but they are destructive. Therefore, we try to avoid them, but we don't judge them.

[aDuck]

Wolfy2449 wrote...
I completely justify her actions since its obviously stupid to choose between a luxuries full jail or death...
And how samara raised her as a normal mother but with no love or how she can never stay with another person for long.

I was under the impression that it wasnt jail per-say, but just forced to live on a specific planet with no choice of traveling to any other planet.  And what makes you think she recieved no love?  There was 100 years where Samara didnt know her children's condition, and if you kill Morinth, Samara is very sad that she had to kill her smartest daughter.

But yes, Morinth is bad for the whole manipulative serial killer thing.

[Manic Sheep]

It’s understandable that she doesn’t want to be in forced seclusion just because of her condition but that as far as my sympathy goes for her. I can kind of see how she would end up the way she did but that doesn’t change the fact that Morinth is a sociopath and a serial killer. She doesn’t just kill because of a biological craving and it has nothing to do with survival like some stupid vampire movie. She enjoys it, she enjoys toying with her victims first and she gets off on manipulating people. Whether you consider her ‘evil’ or just in her nature is up to you but it doesn’t really change anything. If a mountian lion starts attacking and eating people I’m not going to just let it continue because ‘it’s in its nature’.
As for whether it was a trick or not It was probably mostly about power tho she may have been curious to see if you did live or not. I don’t think she practically cared if you lived or died. Win for her either way.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 24 novembre 2010 - 11:38 .

[aDuck]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

BUT, what about free will? It's her nature. It's in her genes. That what she is! My cats bring home half dead mice and slowly kill them in hours if i don't intervene. And they just ate, too. This is also just for fun, it seems. They are not hungry, really, otherwise they would eat them. They enjoy the hunt, the killing. But i can't blame them for doing it, because that's who they are. It's not their choice.
Likewise Morinth is not a normal person with a bad habit she could get rid of if she just would chose so (there are theories that "free will" doesn't really exist in humans either and hence our system of judging and punish delinquents is kinda weird, but that should be another discussion). Morinth just acts according to her nature. It's neither good nor bad, it just is.

Now, as we probably can all agree, her victims did nothing to deserve their fate. Therefore we would all agree that they needed being protected from Morinth in some way. But i'd rather compare it to a protection you would install against fire, or hurricanes. Its not because those phenomenons are "evil" but they are destructive. Therefore, we try to avoid them, but we don't judge them.

However, that is because of your cat's instincts.  After it has killed, it will eat what it has killed (assuming there is no better cat food around ) Compare it to leaperd seals.  They toss around caught penguins like toys, but in the end, after they die, they devour them. 
But as a human/alien who has been brought up to know that killing is bad, she is compelled to kill, because it gives her power, not because it is right.

Try not to get tied up with what she says (not saying you are now), but almost everything she says in the game is a lie just to get what she wanted, according to her nearly-a-millenium-old mother.

[dgcatanisiri]

Morinth is out for the hunt, the thrill of the chase, to enjoy herself as she pleases. The life of comfort and luxury does nothing for a hunter like herself. If she can't chase her pleasure, she gets none from it. And she knows that sleeping with her victims will kill them. She doesn't care, so long as she gets the joy and the high from the act. She had a choice when she learned she was an ardat-yakshi. She could stay in seclusion, be cared for and live, or go out and search for her pleasures and be chased down by justicars like Samara. She chose the hunt over all else.

No, Morinth is one of THE clearest cut villains in the game. If she really cared about her victims, she would have gone into seclusion in the first place.

[Killjoy Cutter]

I'm not sure where this idea started that Morinth is compelled to kill. She is not compelled to kill. She has two Ardat-Yakshi sisters who do not kill.



Morinth kills because she wants to, because she likes it, because it gives her a thrill.

[Dean_the_Young]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'm not sure where this idea started that Morinth is compelled to kill. She is not compelled to kill. She has two Ardat-Yakshi sisters who do not kill.

Morinth kills because she wants to, because she likes it, because it gives her a thrill.

Morinth's sisters are also still virgins.

The compulsion (as Samara describes it) stems from the addiction, and the addiction stems from that first mating. Morinth was the first of the sisters to have sex, and thus kill, which is how they found out the children were AY in the first place. But by then, it was already too late.

[Inquisitor Recon]

In my opinion she is bad to the core. The fact that she is addicted doesn't excuse her crimes.

Just look at her evil smile right before she kills Shepard if he agrees to her "offer." She knows she has fooled you and loves it.

[-Skorpious-]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'm not sure where this idea started that Morinth is compelled to kill. She is not compelled to kill. She has two Ardat-Yakshi sisters who do not kill.

Morinth kills because she wants to, because she likes it, because it gives her a thrill.

Morinth's sisters are also still virgins.

The compulsion (as Samara describes it) stems from the addiction, and the addiction stems from that first mating. Morinth was the first of the sisters to have sex, and thus kill, which is how they found out the children were AY in the first place. But by then, it was already too late.

It doesn't matter. Humans can be addicited to drugs and, even if they are completely hooked, can decide to enter rehab to better themselves. Morinth had such an opputunity, but ignored it.

[Dean_the_Young]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'm not sure where this idea started that Morinth is compelled to kill. She is not compelled to kill. She has two Ardat-Yakshi sisters who do not kill.

Morinth kills because she wants to, because she likes it, because it gives her a thrill.

Morinth's sisters are also still virgins.

The compulsion (as Samara describes it) stems from the addiction, and the addiction stems from that first mating. Morinth was the first of the sisters to have sex, and thus kill, which is how they found out the children were AY in the first place. But by then, it was already too late.

It doesn't matter. Humans can be addicited to drugs and, even if they are completely hooked, can decide to enter rehab to better themselves. Morinth had such an opputunity, but ignored it.

Many (most? Would need to check the statistic) also fail in rehab, or succumb again shortly after. Rehab's hardly a final closure for many issues. Rehab is also temporary, and often fixes the results of voluntary ailments..The Asari also don't have a rehab solution for Ardat Yakshis: the AY are effectively shoved in a comfortable tom that they will never be allowed to leave until they die of old age.

Morinth's opportunity was to be entombed with her sisters for the next thousand years, and little else, for the grand crime of her mother's choice in partners.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 25 novembre 2010 - 12:41 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'm not sure where this idea started that Morinth is compelled to kill. She is not compelled to kill. She has two Ardat-Yakshi sisters who do not kill.

Morinth kills because she wants to, because she likes it, because it gives her a thrill.

Morinth's sisters are also still virgins.

The compulsion (as Samara describes it) stems from the addiction, and the addiction stems from that first mating. Morinth was the first of the sisters to have sex, and thus kill, which is how they found out the children were AY in the first place. But by then, it was already too late.

Does it actually say that somewhere?

[-Skorpious-]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'm not sure where this idea started that Morinth is compelled to kill. She is not compelled to kill. She has two Ardat-Yakshi sisters who do not kill.

Morinth kills because she wants to, because she likes it, because it gives her a thrill.

Morinth's sisters are also still virgins.

The compulsion (as Samara describes it) stems from the addiction, and the addiction stems from that first mating. Morinth was the first of the sisters to have sex, and thus kill, which is how they found out the children were AY in the first place. But by then, it was already too late.

It doesn't matter. Humans can be addicited to drugs and, even if they are completely hooked, can decide to enter rehab to better themselves. Morinth had such an opputunity, but ignored it.

Many (most? Would need to check the statistic) also fail in rehab, or succumb again shortly after. Rehab's hardly a final closure for many issues. Rehab is also temporary, and often fixes the results of voluntary ailments..The Asari also don't have a rehab solution for Ardat Yakshis: the AY are effectively shoved in a comfortable tom that they will never be allowed to leave until they die of old age.

Morinth's opportunity was to be entombed with her sisters for the next thousand years, and little else, for the grand crime of her mother's choice in partners.

So If my father abused me as a child I can go around killing whoever I want due to repressed mental anguish?

Living a sheltered existance is no excuse for killing for the mere pleasure of it. Let's say I could spread a fatal disease (say AIDS) by simply standing next to somebody. I should, for the protection of others, live a life where contact between others is kept to a minimum. Is it fun? Hell no, but I can't walk around spreading AIDS wherever I go can I?

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 25 novembre 2010 - 12:49 .

[Dean_the_Young]

[quote]-Skorpious- wrote...

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

[quote]-Skorpious- wrote...

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

[quote]Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'm not sure where this idea started that Morinth is compelled to kill. She is not compelled to kill. She has two Ardat-Yakshi sisters who do not kill.

Morinth kills because she wants to, because she likes it, because it gives her a thrill.
[/quote]Morinth's sisters are also still virgins.

The compulsion (as Samara describes it) stems from the addiction, and the addiction stems from that first mating. Morinth was the first of the sisters to have sex, and thus kill, which is how they found out the children were AY in the first place. But by then, it was already too late.

[/quote]

It doesn't matter. Humans can be addicited to drugs and, even if they are completely hooked, can decide to enter rehab to better themselves. Morinth had such an opputunity, but ignored it.

[/quote]Many (most? Would need to check the statistic) also fail in rehab, or succumb again shortly after. Rehab's hardly a final closure for many issues. Rehab is also temporary, and often fixes the results of voluntary ailments..The Asari also don't have a rehab solution for Ardat Yakshis: the AY are effectively shoved in a comfortable tom that they will never be allowed to leave until they die of old age.

Morinth's opportunity was to be entombed with her sisters for the next thousand years, and little else, for the grand crime of her mother's choice in partners.
[/quote]

So If my father abused me as a child I can go around killing whoever I want due to repressed mental anguish?[/quote]The analogy is completely different from anything offered or mentioned to this point, and completely tangent to Morinth's issue, so much so that I'm dazzled by why you thought it should be appropriate.

A more accurate analogy would be 'if your dad conditioned you without your knowledge to get the highest possible addictive pleasure out of an innocent act that everyone else in the world can do freely, and then made it so that that act killed someone', etc. etc.
[quote]
Living a sheltered existance is no excuse for killing for the mere pleasure of it.[/quote]The nature of addiction and compulsion is that it stops being purely voluntary. An addiction to something you can't reverse, as AY syndrome is depicted, isn't something that you can simply go cold turkey on. It's not as mere as a cigarrete.

That said, nothing obligates Morinth to enjoy it entirely and not try to fight it.... but she can't exactly kick the impulses.

[quote]
Let's say I could spread a fatal disease (say AIDS) by simply standing next to somebody. I should, for the protection of others, live a life where contact between others is kept to a minimum. Is it fun? Hell no, but I can't walk around spreading AIDS wherever I go can I?

[Dean_the_Young]

mrsph wrote...

Morinth's own profile for the Suicide Mission says she views people as toys.

And?

[trobbins777]

Good,Bad, she's just sexy........:innocent:

[-Skorpious-]

Ok fine, my last post wasn't the most appropriate or fitting of posts, but Morinth is still a bad person. She doesn't "kill out of instinct" - she specifically targets artistic individuals over the common human, turian, or whatever species you prefer. At this point, she stops being someone who kills out of "addiction", but rather someone who receives personal satisfaction from pursuing/convincing her victims to sleep with her.

In short, if she only killed to quench her biological instincts then she wouldn't spend so much effort to meld with one individual over easier, weaker prey.

If she can't do this she should contact the proper authorities and explain her situation. It may mean her inprisonment, but at least she can live a life without harming others. But alas, Morinth is to strong-willed and intelligent to ever think of turning herself in.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 25 novembre 2010 - 01:47 .